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Author Topic: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!  (Read 22047 times)

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #510 on: August 24, 2021, 09:01:37 PM »


I love this meme. It shows that people don't take concerns about the vaccinations seriously, and they just want to force people to get jabbed out of spite.

Fuck 'em.

Forced? No. Y'all are such fucking snowflakes. Someone telling you they hope you get the vaccine or you should get the vaccine is not anything similar to someone "forcing" you to get the vaccine. I am surprised you didn't use the homophobic "forced down our throats" approach :)

Stop being such a pussy. Disagreement isn't forcing.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #511 on: August 24, 2021, 09:06:47 PM »
Ooops, now deaths as well as infections are starting to rise in "fully vaccinated" Israel. Almost as though the jabs don't work, or worse still make people even more ill.

If only people had warned of that before everyone rushed out to try to vaccinate their way out of this...

I think you might be the dumbest fucker on this entire message board.

The vaccines wear off after time, which is why sickness and death increase the further you get from your last dose. Which you knew. But even with that, infections and sickness and death are all much lower if you are vaccinated vs unvaccinated. And the claim the vaccines make people even more ill is in fact a sign you're brain damaged.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #512 on: August 24, 2021, 09:19:30 PM »


I love this meme. It shows that people don't take concerns about the vaccinations seriously, and they just want to force people to get jabbed out of spite.

Fuck 'em.

Forced? No. Y'all are such fucking snowflakes. Someone telling you they hope you get the vaccine or you should get the vaccine is not anything similar to someone "forcing" you to get the vaccine. I am surprised you didn't use the homophobic "forced down our throats" approach :)

Stop being such a pussy. Disagreement isn't forcing.

You know the federal and state governments were drooling over using this as an excuse to make vaccinations mandatory. And "encouraging" private businesses to fall in line.

And your pathetic attempts at insult only show how insecure you are about that reply.

 
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #513 on: August 24, 2021, 09:52:41 PM »


I love this meme. It shows that people don't take concerns about the vaccinations seriously, and they just want to force people to get jabbed out of spite.

Fuck 'em.

Forced? No. Y'all are such fucking snowflakes. Someone telling you they hope you get the vaccine or you should get the vaccine is not anything similar to someone "forcing" you to get the vaccine. I am surprised you didn't use the homophobic "forced down our throats" approach :)

Stop being such a pussy. Disagreement isn't forcing.

You know the federal and state governments were drooling over using this as an excuse to make vaccinations mandatory. And "encouraging" private businesses to fall in line.

And your pathetic attempts at insult only show how insecure you are about that reply.

 

Wait am I now the federal and state governments? WTF is wrong with you mang. I am no more responsible for what the Government does than you. I am responsible for the things I say and do, just like you. If I ever say I think you should be forced to be vaccinated then you call me out on that. But I've never said that, despite your constant attempts to strawman me and pretend I have. All I've ever done is offer my opinion and encourage people to get vaccinated. Just like you've offered your opinion and questioned the vaccines. Neither of us is trying to "force" anyone to do anything because of our opinions. So could you please lay off the accusation that I am trying to force someone to be vaccinated just because I disagree with your view about the effectiveness and safety of the vaccines?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #514 on: August 24, 2021, 10:13:12 PM »
You two are talking past each other.

Mistwell didn't advocate forcing the vaccine on anyone. That's admirable. There's nothing wrong with trying to encourage people, and convince others of their point of view. It's how the free market of ideas works, and is part of a society of voluntary, consensual interactions.

Ratman_tf brings up an important concern. A lot of people who are pushing the vaccines have been advocating forcing medicine on people without their consent. That's despicable. Governments have started imposing those mandates, and have been coercing private businesses to do the same. That goes beyond despicable to tyrannical.


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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #515 on: August 25, 2021, 12:21:16 AM »
You two are talking past each other.

Mistwell didn't advocate forcing the vaccine on anyone. That's admirable. There's nothing wrong with trying to encourage people, and convince others of their point of view. It's how the free market of ideas works, and is part of a society of voluntary, consensual interactions.

Ratman_tf brings up an important concern. A lot of people who are pushing the vaccines have been advocating forcing medicine on people without their consent. That's despicable. Governments have started imposing those mandates, and have been coercing private businesses to do the same. That goes beyond despicable to tyrannical.

In case it's in question, I don't want the government to force ordinary citizens to get this vaccine. I am cool with schools forcing students to get "regular" vaccines, like Polio and TDAP and your ordinary old vaccines. But not this one because it's so new and people have not had enough time to really absorb enough information to make a decision on it (though I encourage them to make that decision in favor of it).

As for private businesses - actually that's their business. If they want to mandate their employees get an FDA approved vaccine to work there, I am OK with that. I didn't choose to do that with my business, but if some other business wants to do that I think they have every right to do that. I don't think it's up to me or the Government to tell a private business what to do concerning that kind of issue for their employees.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #516 on: August 25, 2021, 01:12:03 AM »
I am just waiting for the Stage 3 safety trials to be completed.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #517 on: August 25, 2021, 01:42:39 AM »
As for private businesses - actually that's their business. If they want to mandate their employees get an FDA approved vaccine to work there, I am OK with that. I didn't choose to do that with my business, but if some other business wants to do that I think they have every right to do that. I don't think it's up to me or the Government to tell a private business what to do concerning that kind of issue for their employees.
I strongly oppose that for two reasons. One, privacy. Companies shouldn't be able to demand access to the confidential information between a patient and a doctor. Two, they're not making the choice as free actors. The government has exerted great pressure, including implicit threats.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #518 on: August 25, 2021, 02:16:21 AM »


I love this meme. It shows that people don't take concerns about the vaccinations seriously, and they just want to force people to get jabbed out of spite.

Fuck 'em.

Forced? No. Y'all are such fucking snowflakes. Someone telling you they hope you get the vaccine or you should get the vaccine is not anything similar to someone "forcing" you to get the vaccine. I am surprised you didn't use the homophobic "forced down our throats" approach :)

Stop being such a pussy. Disagreement isn't forcing.

You know the federal and state governments were drooling over using this as an excuse to make vaccinations mandatory. And "encouraging" private businesses to fall in line.

And your pathetic attempts at insult only show how insecure you are about that reply.

 

Wait am I now the federal and state governments? WTF is wrong with you mang. I am no more responsible for what the Government does than you. I am responsible for the things I say and do, just like you. If I ever say I think you should be forced to be vaccinated then you call me out on that. But I've never said that, despite your constant attempts to strawman me and pretend I have. All I've ever done is offer my opinion and encourage people to get vaccinated. Just like you've offered your opinion and questioned the vaccines. Neither of us is trying to "force" anyone to do anything because of our opinions. So could you please lay off the accusation that I am trying to force someone to be vaccinated just because I disagree with your view about the effectiveness and safety of the vaccines?

Please show me on those replies where I accused you of anything like that. I posted that I though the meme was stupid and disingenouous and for some reason you took it personally.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #519 on: August 25, 2021, 10:52:23 AM »
I am responsible for the things I say and do, just like you. If I ever say I think you should be forced to be vaccinated then you call me out on that. But I've never said that, despite your constant attempts to strawman me and pretend I have.
WHAT?  Ahahahaha!  How can you type that with a straight face, when you IN THIS VERY THREAD demanded me to answer for what someone else wrote.  Are you serious?!?

I swear,  it's like back in the 2000s, when various companies would create accounts on hobby-related boards and hire people to post there in rotation using that account.  It was like talking to someone with multiple personality disorder,  only all of them were stupid.   Did you even read what the earlier "Mistwell" wrote in this thread?

And you wonder why people accuse you of arguing in bad faith...

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #520 on: August 25, 2021, 01:29:18 PM »
I am just waiting for the Stage 3 safety trials to be completed.

Those were completed last year.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #521 on: August 25, 2021, 01:35:29 PM »
As for private businesses - actually that's their business. If they want to mandate their employees get an FDA approved vaccine to work there, I am OK with that. I didn't choose to do that with my business, but if some other business wants to do that I think they have every right to do that. I don't think it's up to me or the Government to tell a private business what to do concerning that kind of issue for their employees.
I strongly oppose that for two reasons. One, privacy. Companies shouldn't be able to demand access to the confidential information between a patient and a doctor. Two, they're not making the choice as free actors. The government has exerted great pressure, including implicit threats.

They are making the choice as free actors. No private business has been forced to do this. I own a business, I've felt zero "threats" about it. You're being hyperbolic again.

As for "privacy" that's bunk. HIPPA applies to specific health-related entities, such as insurance providers, health-care clearinghouses, health-care providers and their business associates.  Not to private businesses outside the health care field.

I routinely ask from a note from an employees doctor if they are going to be out sick and nobody has ever claimed "but my privacy!" about that.

All the privacy rules are on health care providers to stop them from sharing information about you without you consent, and none are on private businesses from asking you to provide that information to them from you or else you cannot work there. The business has exactly the same right to ask you to provide that information as you have to decide to not provide it and not work there. Don't be a fucking socialist prick and act like businesses cannot ask about vaccination records. It's a private business for fuck's sake! The government has no right to dictate what they do with that issue. I find it hilarious that apparently you're suddenly pro-business regulations?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #522 on: August 25, 2021, 01:38:31 PM »
I am responsible for the things I say and do, just like you. If I ever say I think you should be forced to be vaccinated then you call me out on that. But I've never said that, despite your constant attempts to strawman me and pretend I have.
WHAT?  Ahahahaha!  How can you type that with a straight face, when you IN THIS VERY THREAD demanded me to answer for what someone else wrote.  Are you serious?!?

I swear,  it's like back in the 2000s, when various companies would create accounts on hobby-related boards and hire people to post there in rotation using that account.  It was like talking to someone with multiple personality disorder,  only all of them were stupid.   Did you even read what the earlier "Mistwell" wrote in this thread?

And you wonder why people accuse you of arguing in bad faith...

Fair enough. Sorry I confused you for someone else (snowman) in calling for me to be banned for offering a dissenting opinion.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #523 on: August 25, 2021, 01:39:40 PM »
Stage 3, 4, 5 will make no difference. Those who don’t want to vax apparently won’t get vaxxed. It’s their body, so.. The issue lies within a fragmented society. Delta will bigen charging $200 for any crew who doesn’t take the jab. End game likely going to be no jab, no problem. But your pocket and social life will ultimately suffer.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #524 on: August 25, 2021, 02:09:01 PM »
As for private businesses - actually that's their business. If they want to mandate their employees get an FDA approved vaccine to work there, I am OK with that. I didn't choose to do that with my business, but if some other business wants to do that I think they have every right to do that. I don't think it's up to me or the Government to tell a private business what to do concerning that kind of issue for their employees.
I strongly oppose that for two reasons. One, privacy. Companies shouldn't be able to demand access to the confidential information between a patient and a doctor. Two, they're not making the choice as free actors. The government has exerted great pressure, including implicit threats.

They are making the choice as free actors. No private business has been forced to do this. I own a business, I've felt zero "threats" about it. You're being hyperbolic again.

As for "privacy" that's bunk. HIPPA applies to specific health-related entities, such as insurance providers, health-care clearinghouses, health-care providers and their business associates.  Not to private businesses outside the health care field.

I routinely ask from a note from an employees doctor if they are going to be out sick and nobody has ever claimed "but my privacy!" about that.

All the privacy rules are on health care providers to stop them from sharing information about you without you consent, and none are on private businesses from asking you to provide that information to them from you or else you cannot work there. The business has exactly the same right to ask you to provide that information as you have to decide to not provide it and not work there. Don't be a fucking socialist prick and act like businesses cannot ask about vaccination records. It's a private business for fuck's sake! The government has no right to dictate what they do with that issue. I find it hilarious that apparently you're suddenly pro-business regulations?
By that logic, people who pay protection money to the Mafia are acting of their own free will, without any coercion. When the government works hand in hand with many large companies, hands out moneys and favors to their favorites, regulates them, and is threatening to pass laws that will hinder businesses if the businesses don't comply, they're not acting as free agents. It's coercion.

I'm familiar with HIPPA compliance. I'm also familiar with the Bill of Rights. But neither are natural rights, they're laws. And natural rights are not defined by or circumscribed by laws. They're innate, inalienable, and laws that aren't completely unjust should defend them. Starting with a legalistic argument is invalid, because I was never talking about how the law is currently interpreted. I'm talking about basic rights.

And your analogy isn't comparable. If you're ill, and taking a day off, a doctor's note provides a justification for why you shouldn't be penalized for missing work. It also doesn't have to provide any details, beyond that you were sick. That's very different from demanding workers submit themselves to a specific medical procedure of dubious efficacy and unknown long term risks to even go back to work in the first place. Should private businesses be allowed to beat their workers? Let's say it's in your contract. "It's their private business!", right? Socialism! No. Basic rights still exist.
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