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Author Topic: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!  (Read 199135 times)

HappyDaze

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #405 on: August 14, 2021, 05:59:37 PM »
Nice attempt at whataboutism. Let's just go back to suggesting that perhaps you too should try to be a less shitty person.

Putting your scaremongering bullshit into context. You see the worst affected people, you don't see the majority who never even need any kind of medical assistance and just get over it by themselves.
Thank you for acknowledging that I see those at their worst...and their families (up until we have to block visitors,  then I have to deal with barrage of phone calls from them while I'm trying to care for the sickest). Putting your bullshit in context: these are the people you ignor or minimize by trying to downplay Covid as nothing more than a common cold.

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« Reply #406 on: August 14, 2021, 09:13:43 PM »
Lmao you almost got me there. I’ll assume you're ‘special’.
What'd I get wrong? Is it your grandmother's basement, not your mother's?
No, Pat, it's *your mother's* basement!
Pat is also wrong about the lizard people.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #407 on: August 15, 2021, 08:47:02 PM »
Lmao you almost got me there. I’ll assume you're ‘special’.
What'd I get wrong? Is it your grandmother's basement, not your mother's?
No, Pat, it's *your mother's* basement!
Pat is also wrong about the lizard people.


I mean modern medicine is literally using the body parts and cells of babies so I'm not sure how anyone accepting the coof "vax" is not actually consuming the tissue of babies.  So the reptile people conspiracy of consuming the young is correct?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #408 on: August 16, 2021, 04:46:24 AM »
Thank you for acknowledging that I see those at their worst...and their families (up until we have to block visitors,  then I have to deal with barrage of phone calls from them while I'm trying to care for the sickest). Putting your bullshit in context: these are the people you ignor or minimize by trying to downplay Covid as nothing more than a common cold.

I'm no more concerned about the worst affected than I ever have been in any previous year. For most people, myself included, covid is nothing more than a bad cold.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #409 on: August 16, 2021, 06:19:42 AM »
Thank you for acknowledging that I see those at their worst...and their families (up until we have to block visitors,  then I have to deal with barrage of phone calls from them while I'm trying to care for the sickest). Putting your bullshit in context: these are the people you ignor or minimize by trying to downplay Covid as nothing more than a common cold.

I'm no more concerned about the worst affected than I ever have been in any previous year. For most people, myself included, covid is nothing more than a bad cold.
You're wrong. Look at the many ways people are responding. Whether positive or negative,  these are not the responses people have to a "bad cold." To suggest that it is so, just makes you look like an idiot.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #410 on: August 16, 2021, 12:36:17 PM »
You're wrong. Look at the many ways people are responding. Whether positive or negative,  these are not the responses people have to a "bad cold." To suggest that it is so, just makes you look like an idiot.

Excessive, borderline-hysterical and completely unnecessary response from the government doesn't make it a "crisis". It was (past tense) a bad cold season that passed over a year ago.

The only idiots are people like you who insist we carry on pretending there's a pandemic.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #411 on: August 18, 2021, 02:14:08 PM »
Today I was catching up with some of The Quartering videos. There’s this one in particular that sent shivers down my spine. In France, they’re apparently walking around asking for papers in some establishments. It’s chilling to watch!
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #412 on: August 18, 2021, 02:41:13 PM »
Today I was catching up with some of The Quartering videos. There’s this one in particular that sent shivers down my spine. In France, they’re apparently walking around asking for papers in some establishments. It’s chilling to watch!
You missed where NYC is rolling out their 'Key to New York' program, where you won't be allowed into ANY building without valid vaccination papers.

"Papers, please."

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« Reply #413 on: August 18, 2021, 02:46:24 PM »
Today I was catching up with some of The Quartering videos. There’s this one in particular that sent shivers down my spine. In France, they’re apparently walking around asking for papers in some establishments. It’s chilling to watch!
You missed where NYC is rolling out their 'Key to New York' program, where you won't be allowed into ANY building without valid vaccination papers.

"Papers, please."

I think the only reason Cali didn’t go there yet is so Newsom doesn’t get a 49th recall in under a year.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #414 on: August 18, 2021, 02:46:36 PM »
It was never sold as a 100% cure. They accurately reported the percentage effectiveness against each strain as it arose and none of those were 100%.

Not even 1% efficacy. Utterly pointless and probably making infections worse if Israel's latest data is anything to go by. What a strange coincidence that all the places with the highest level of vaccination also have the highest levels of infection.

Please, get your vaccines guys. Even if it's just the J&J Vaccine which uses more "normal" tech behind it, just get it.

Fuck off, not a chance.

Somehow this "deadly" virus has failed to kill me, or leave any lasting impacts, twice. Might I not even notice it the next time?

1% efficacy? Makes infections worse? Places with the highest vaccination rates have the highest infection rates?

NOTHING you just said is true.


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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #415 on: August 18, 2021, 04:37:54 PM »
1% efficacy? Makes infections worse? Places with the highest vaccination rates have the highest infection rates?

NOTHING you just said is true.



Around 1% actual risk reduction. Israel. Iceland. The UK. Highest rates of vaccination, highest rates of infection.

Try again.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #416 on: August 19, 2021, 08:04:27 PM »
The ~1% risk reduction is from the actual Pfizer clinical trial. This is the absolute risk reduction (ARR) flipside to the oft-reported, but misleading, relative risk reduction (RRR) 95%.

The Pfizer clinical trial was specifically assessing the efficacy of their product in reducing mild cases of Covid. So it's interesting the goalpost that most people are now looking at isn't prevention of infection or reduction of mild illness, it's serious cases and deaths. The trials weren't designed for that (ironically because conducting a trial for serious cases and deaths would have required a lot more people because serious cases and deaths are actually very rare). I think a lot of people are looking with concern at places like Israel where it seems like injections are either failing over time, or never provided the kind of protection that CDC/etal were assuming they did.


As for "makes infections worse" -- Pretty speculative still. There are some pointing at ADE in Israel, others suggesting that injections interfere with normal immune response. I'm assuming this statement is playing off of very-poorly-chosen words by CDC spokeswoman Walensky?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #417 on: August 20, 2021, 04:44:56 AM »
It's a similar number for the Moderna jab (I think it was 1.1% where the ARR was 0.8% for Pfizer). Ironically, the much-maligned Astrazeneca jab is 1.6%.

Still in every case, the actual impact is fuck all.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #418 on: August 20, 2021, 08:43:20 PM »
It's a similar number for the Moderna jab (I think it was 1.1% where the ARR was 0.8% for Pfizer). Ironically, the much-maligned Astrazeneca jab is 1.6%.

Still in every case, the actual impact is fuck all.

You not understanding it doesn't mean it's not working. “Let’s say a study enrolled 20,000 patients into the control group and 20,000 in the vaccine group. In that study, 200 people in the control group got sick and 0 people in the vaccine group got sick. Even though the vaccine efficacy would be a whopping 100%, the ARR would show that vaccines reduce the absolute risk by just 1% (200/20,000= 1%). For the ARR to increase to 20% in our example study with a vaccine with 100% efficacy, 4,000 of the 20,000 people in the control group would have to get sick (4,000/20,000= 20%).”

"RRR tells us how much the risk of infection is “reduced in the test vaccine group, compared to a control group who did not receive the test vaccine.” The RRR, or efficacy, tells us "how well the vaccine protects clinical trial participants from getting sick or getting very sick.”"

RRR is the right number to use for vaccines.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #419 on: August 21, 2021, 07:44:44 AM »
It's a similar number for the Moderna jab (I think it was 1.1% where the ARR was 0.8% for Pfizer). Ironically, the much-maligned Astrazeneca jab is 1.6%.

Still in every case, the actual impact is fuck all.

You not understanding it doesn't mean it's not working. “Let’s say a study enrolled 20,000 patients into the control group and 20,000 in the vaccine group. In that study, 200 people in the control group got sick and 0 people in the vaccine group got sick. Even though the vaccine efficacy would be a whopping 100%, the ARR would show that vaccines reduce the absolute risk by just 1% (200/20,000= 1%). For the ARR to increase to 20% in our example study with a vaccine with 100% efficacy, 4,000 of the 20,000 people in the control group would have to get sick (4,000/20,000= 20%).”

"RRR tells us how much the risk of infection is “reduced in the test vaccine group, compared to a control group who did not receive the test vaccine.” The RRR, or efficacy, tells us "how well the vaccine protects clinical trial participants from getting sick or getting very sick.”"

RRR is the right number to use for vaccines.
You not understanding doesn't mean he's wrong, either.  When it comes to the decision to get vaccinated, the ARR tells you what the overall risk is of not getting the jab.  If hardly anyone in the control group got the virus (or got sick enough to know they had it), then you are not increasing your odds by very much in not taking the vaccine.  There is more than one factor to consider, especially with a vaccine with no long term studies, an apparently high breakthrough rate, and a novel approach vector for a novel virus.  The drug companies calculate both RRR and ARR because they are both useful statistics.