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Author Topic: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!  (Read 199160 times)

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #240 on: August 08, 2021, 12:19:16 PM »
You misunderstand me.  I mean on this forum.  I do not see any laws/policies as yet mandating vaccines for my kids.  I do think there are most certainly people who would LOVE to mandate such a thing.  But honestly a person's thoughts do not bother me as much as overt actions.  If schools become vaccine mandates for covid, I will just send my kids to private school.  If they go the same route...well homeschool and private online schools are taken  A MASSIVE step forward in quality and presentation (and funding) the past year and a half.

Not everyone on this forum is American. Here in the UK they've already extended the vaccination programme to 16 and 17 year olds, saying they're going to ignore parental consent that is usually required for this sort of thing. And they're signalling that 12-15 year olds are next.

All it will take is the requisite pressure from the teaching unions who demand that all children be jabbed to make teachers "safe" and it will become a requirement to attend school.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #241 on: August 08, 2021, 12:21:52 PM »
You misunderstand me.  I mean on this forum.  I do not see any laws/policies as yet mandating vaccines for my kids.  I do think there are most certainly people who would LOVE to mandate such a thing.  But honestly a person's thoughts do not bother me as much as overt actions.  If schools become vaccine mandates for covid, I will just send my kids to private school.  If they go the same route...well homeschool and private online schools are taken  A MASSIVE step forward in quality and presentation (and funding) the past year and a half.

Not everyone on this forum is American. Here in the UK they've already extended the vaccination programme to 16 and 17 year olds, saying they're going to ignore parental consent that is usually required for this sort of thing. And they're signalling that 12-15 year olds are next.

   Well, no offense, but in the UK you have long since surrendered any real chance of defying your government in a meaningful manner.    However, to that point, I am certain I do not want an institution educating my kids that feel they can mandate some things based on some pretty shaky ground (and no one tries to make Covid look deadly to kids...only to the old people they may know, who IMO can get a shot and wear a gas mask).

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #242 on: August 08, 2021, 12:23:16 PM »
"Vaccines cause variants!"

Nope.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-delta-vaccine-idUSL1N2OW1TA

You disagree? Facts, please, not the sad, inane, internet hearsay spotlighted in these links - and that you are just regurgitating.

Reuters?  Try peer reviewed:
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

And the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0730-mmwr-covid-19.html

The CDC has disclosed that the delta variant replicates more quickly in the nose than previous variants, meaning that it spreads through vaccinated hosts before the majority of the immune response (which mainly occurs in the lungs / CV system) is triggered.  Based on this, they admit (they head of the CDC said this on CNN) that the vaccines reduce the severity of Covid, but don't prevent infection.  Previous research has shown for other viruses : "Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts."

So vaccines that allow reproduction and/or continued transmission may very well create new strains.  So you are wrong.
Those point to that being a threat to the unvaccinated. Being vaccinated is a way to reduce that theat.
So vaccination should just be a personal choice, based on each individual's own risk assessment?  Because a lot of people have told me that we have to mandate vaccination in order to prevent the development of new variants.  So you're saying that's not an issue at all for vaccinated people?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #243 on: August 08, 2021, 12:25:21 PM »
So...ThoughtCrime then? People can think whatever the fuck they want. Show me someone taking action or else you're just another crazy nutter running his cakehole.

They're the people responsible for the vaccination programme in the UK, you imbecile. It's not some random opinion piece in an obscure online publication.

It's a statement of intent from the people doing the jabbing. They wouldn't carry out that assessment unless someone in government had given them the nod that it's happening.
So what horrible *actions* have they taken? Not interested in your interpretation of what they want or what they think, I just want a link to what reprehensible actions they've taken.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #244 on: August 08, 2021, 12:26:01 PM »
Moving the goalposts, I see.
That's a mild case. Usually, Reckall just ignores the goalposts, runs to a completely different field, makes sure nobody's around, closes to within 2 feet of the goal, kicks the ball thru, and then tries to claim victory.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #245 on: August 08, 2021, 12:26:43 PM »
cake hole.
So what horrible *actions* have they taken? Not interested in your interpretation of what they want or what they think, I just want a link to what reprehensible actions they've taken.

You can't see further than your nose, unless someone has mapped it out for you. Got it.

Must be wonderfully liberating to live such a blinkered existence, do you get surprised a lot?
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #246 on: August 08, 2021, 12:28:28 PM »
"Vaccines cause variants!"

Nope.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-delta-vaccine-idUSL1N2OW1TA

You disagree? Facts, please, not the sad, inane, internet hearsay spotlighted in these links - and that you are just regurgitating.

Reuters?  Try peer reviewed:
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

And the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0730-mmwr-covid-19.html

The CDC has disclosed that the delta variant replicates more quickly in the nose than previous variants, meaning that it spreads through vaccinated hosts before the majority of the immune response (which mainly occurs in the lungs / CV system) is triggered.  Based on this, they admit (they head of the CDC said this on CNN) that the vaccines reduce the severity of Covid, but don't prevent infection.  Previous research has shown for other viruses : "Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts."

So vaccines that allow reproduction and/or continued transmission may very well create new strains.  So you are wrong.
Those point to that being a threat to the unvaccinated. Being vaccinated is a way to reduce that theat.
So vaccination should just be a personal choice, based on each individual's own risk assessment?  Because a lot of people have told me that we have to mandate vaccination in order to prevent the development of new variants.  So you're saying that's not an issue at all for vaccinated people?
I'm saying that your source doesn't support the part of the discussion you're now trying to go with.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #247 on: August 08, 2021, 12:36:55 PM »
Moving the goalposts, I see.
That's a mild case. Usually, Reckall just ignores the goalposts, runs to a completely different field, makes sure nobody's around, closes to within 2 feet of the goal, kicks the ball thru, and then tries to claim victory.

I admit that doing this, vs. simply claiming victory "because", is unpractical :D
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #248 on: August 08, 2021, 12:43:20 PM »
Moving the goalposts, I see.
That's a mild case. Usually, Reckall just ignores the goalposts, runs to a completely different field, makes sure nobody's around, closes to within 2 feet of the goal, kicks the ball thru, and then tries to claim victory.

I admit that doing this, vs. simply claiming victory "because", is unpractical :D
It's good you admit you're behaving in such a shitty fashion.

It would be better if you just stopped acting like that.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #249 on: August 08, 2021, 12:49:53 PM »
"Vaccines cause variants!"

Nope.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-delta-vaccine-idUSL1N2OW1TA

You disagree? Facts, please, not the sad, inane, internet hearsay spotlighted in these links - and that you are just regurgitating.

Reuters?  Try peer reviewed:
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

And the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0730-mmwr-covid-19.html

The CDC has disclosed that the delta variant replicates more quickly in the nose than previous variants, meaning that it spreads through vaccinated hosts before the majority of the immune response (which mainly occurs in the lungs / CV system) is triggered.  Based on this, they admit (they head of the CDC said this on CNN) that the vaccines reduce the severity of Covid, but don't prevent infection.  Previous research has shown for other viruses : "Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts."

So vaccines that allow reproduction and/or continued transmission may very well create new strains.  So you are wrong.
Those point to that being a threat to the unvaccinated. Being vaccinated is a way to reduce that theat.
So vaccination should just be a personal choice, based on each individual's own risk assessment?  Because a lot of people have told me that we have to mandate vaccination in order to prevent the development of new variants.  So you're saying that's not an issue at all for vaccinated people?
I'm saying that your source doesn't support the part of the discussion you're now trying to go with.
You'd be wrong (as usual).  Do vaccines that stop serious consequences from illness, but do not stop transmission of the virus, present a possible vector for viral variance?  I have posted a peer-reviewed article that says exactly that.  Post your (preferably peer-reviewed) refutation.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #250 on: August 08, 2021, 12:53:03 PM »
Moving the goalposts, I see.
That's a mild case. Usually, Reckall just ignores the goalposts, runs to a completely different field, makes sure nobody's around, closes to within 2 feet of the goal, kicks the ball thru, and then tries to claim victory.

I admit that doing this, vs. simply claiming victory "because", is unpractical :D
It's good you admit you're behaving in such a shitty fashion.

It would be better if you just stopped acting like that.

It would be even better to see a real discussion going on. ::)
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #251 on: August 08, 2021, 01:00:17 PM »
Moving the goalposts, I see.
That's a mild case. Usually, Reckall just ignores the goalposts, runs to a completely different field, makes sure nobody's around, closes to within 2 feet of the goal, kicks the ball thru, and then tries to claim victory.

I admit that doing this, vs. simply claiming victory "because", is unpractical :D
It's good you admit you're behaving in such a shitty fashion.

It would be better if you just stopped acting like that.

It would be even better to see a real discussion going on. ::)
Yeah, that's the point. There's no way to have a real discussion when you keep ignoring what people say, posting lots of links without making a coherent argument, and telling people it's already been covered and they need to read the whole thread again to guess what you're not saying.

You're the one shutting down any hope of a real conversation. You.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #252 on: August 08, 2021, 01:02:58 PM »
"Vaccines cause variants!"

Nope.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-delta-vaccine-idUSL1N2OW1TA

You disagree? Facts, please, not the sad, inane, internet hearsay spotlighted in these links - and that you are just regurgitating.

Reuters?  Try peer reviewed:
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

And the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0730-mmwr-covid-19.html

The CDC has disclosed that the delta variant replicates more quickly in the nose than previous variants, meaning that it spreads through vaccinated hosts before the majority of the immune response (which mainly occurs in the lungs / CV system) is triggered.  Based on this, they admit (they head of the CDC said this on CNN) that the vaccines reduce the severity of Covid, but don't prevent infection.  Previous research has shown for other viruses : "Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts."

So vaccines that allow reproduction and/or continued transmission may very well create new strains.  So you are wrong.
Those point to that being a threat to the unvaccinated. Being vaccinated is a way to reduce that theat.
So vaccination should just be a personal choice, based on each individual's own risk assessment?  Because a lot of people have told me that we have to mandate vaccination in order to prevent the development of new variants.  So you're saying that's not an issue at all for vaccinated people?
I'm saying that your source doesn't support the part of the discussion you're now trying to go with.
You'd be wrong (as usual).  Do vaccines that stop serious consequences from illness, but do not stop transmission of the virus, present a possible vector for viral variance?  I have posted a peer-reviewed article that says exactly that.  Post your (preferably peer-reviewed) refutation.
Nope. You're drawing imagined meanings from your source. Your article isn't bad, but your interpretation of it is shit.

And I don't have to do what you demand. You should know this by now. I don't respect you enough to go along with your idiocy.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #253 on: August 08, 2021, 01:06:19 PM »
"Vaccines cause variants!"

Nope.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-delta-vaccine-idUSL1N2OW1TA

You disagree? Facts, please, not the sad, inane, internet hearsay spotlighted in these links - and that you are just regurgitating.

Reuters?  Try peer reviewed:
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198

And the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0730-mmwr-covid-19.html

The CDC has disclosed that the delta variant replicates more quickly in the nose than previous variants, meaning that it spreads through vaccinated hosts before the majority of the immune response (which mainly occurs in the lungs / CV system) is triggered.  Based on this, they admit (they head of the CDC said this on CNN) that the vaccines reduce the severity of Covid, but don't prevent infection.  Previous research has shown for other viruses : "Our data show that anti-disease vaccines that do not prevent transmission can create conditions that promote the emergence of pathogen strains that cause more severe disease in unvaccinated hosts."

So vaccines that allow reproduction and/or continued transmission may very well create new strains.  So you are wrong.
Those point to that being a threat to the unvaccinated. Being vaccinated is a way to reduce that theat.
So vaccination should just be a personal choice, based on each individual's own risk assessment?  Because a lot of people have told me that we have to mandate vaccination in order to prevent the development of new variants.  So you're saying that's not an issue at all for vaccinated people?
I'm saying that your source doesn't support the part of the discussion you're now trying to go with.
You'd be wrong (as usual).  Do vaccines that stop serious consequences from illness, but do not stop transmission of the virus, present a possible vector for viral variance?  I have posted a peer-reviewed article that says exactly that.

No, it doesn't, from the very title: "Imperfect Vaccination". No vaccine approved for emergency use by the FDA/EMA ever got the label "imperfect".

And what it says is that "Imperfect Vaccinations" can cause the vaccinated guy to be a possible vector for viral variances the way an unvaccinated guy is. However, we also saw - in the CDC link that you posted - how in our specific case only the Delta variant is a nasty little bugger for vaccinated people. Other variants are blocked by vaccines. Unvaccinated people get and distribute all the variants. The whole package.

The peer-reviewed refutation of what you posted are the very links you posted. Thank you for the effort.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #254 on: August 08, 2021, 01:17:56 PM »


He deleted his account, of course, but the Wayback Machine saved a copy. http://web.archive.org/web/20210804173841/https://twitter.com/larsmcmurtry

But by all means, 'it's just conspiracy talk that we want people to be forced to take the vax!'.

After the first felony, the rest are free, you know.