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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #210 on: August 07, 2021, 11:06:54 PM »


Eliminating Covid is impossible at this stage.

Excellent post save for this part. It's always been impossible. And they knew it. It's impossible to stop the spread of a virus; even with 100% vaccinations. That's how people still catch diseases to this day, in spite of mass immunization and vaccination. The flu, chicken pox, common cold, etc. are but a few. There are trillions of those viruses roaming around. Coronaviruses are no exception. There will always be another variant. There is no "post-covid" world.

You don't have to be a scientist to know this. Complete erradication of a virus is impossible; only one case happened, and that's smallpox, which was in decline way before vaccines.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #211 on: August 07, 2021, 11:37:29 PM »

Excellent post save for this part. It's always been impossible. And they knew it. It's impossible to stop the spread of a virus; even with 100% vaccinations. That's how people still catch diseases to this day, in spite of mass immunization and vaccination. The flu, chicken pox, common cold, etc. are but a few. There are trillions of those viruses roaming around. Coronaviruses are no exception. There will always be another variant. There is no "post-covid" world.

You don't have to be a scientist to know this. Complete erradication of a virus is impossible; only one case happened, and that's smallpox, which was in decline way before vaccines.
It's not impossible, just extraordinarily difficult. Look at how the island nations, like New Zealand, Australia, Japan, and Taiwan have handled it. Strong border controls, testing and quarantine of new arrivals, and then immediate lockdowns and contact tracing when a few cases slip through the cracks. Contact tracing is pointless once there's widespread community transmission, but it can work when there are a small handful of cases.

It's definitely true that was never an option for the rest of the world. China didn't contain the disease, despite extraordinary measures. And in the US and Europe, there was widespread community transmission before a pandemic was declared. The genie was out of the bottle. Even the island nations are only stalling; unless they isolate themselves forever, the only thing they're doing is delaying the start of the local spread. Vaccines can mitigate the effects, but they won't extinguish the disease.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #212 on: August 08, 2021, 01:05:30 AM »
That is a perfect summary.  I mean fuck the vaccines are not even tested and the pharmaceutical companies are made immune to be sued.  Even a retard like I can understand how stupid it is to take the vax.

Sadly, you are not "retarded" enough to understand why it is normal that some jobs are protected by the law (and not "made immune": the wording still is "unless there’s “willful misconduct” by the company"; there is a clue for you there).

A rush job is a rush job no matter the intentions which by the way good luck proving the intentions of the pharmaceutical companies even when they did willful misconduct.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #213 on: August 08, 2021, 03:22:10 AM »
The problem isn't willful misconduct.

The problem is, these vaccines were created and deployed to, at last count, a billion people over the world, all in the span of less than a year.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-vaccine-safety-system-has-gaps-may-miss-unexpected-side-n1265986

I don't think the pharmecutical companies are twirling their mustaches, I simply think they and the government are protecting themselves from any tangible responsibility if there are unforseen side effects that won't manifest right away.

If that does come to pass, we'll probably get some "heartfelt" apologies mixed with a reminder that they were faced with a crisis, and a majority of people willingly took the vaccines.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #214 on: August 08, 2021, 05:11:58 AM »
That is a perfect summary.  I mean fuck the vaccines are not even tested and the pharmaceutical companies are made immune to be sued.  Even a retard like I can understand how stupid it is to take the vax.

Sadly, you are not "retarded" enough to understand why it is normal that some jobs are protected by the law (and not "made immune": the wording still is "unless there’s “willful misconduct” by the company"; there is a clue for you there).

A rush job is a rush job no matter the intentions which by the way good luck proving the intentions of the pharmaceutical companies even when they did willful misconduct.

Again, how developing a vaccine in a relatively short time was made possible has been explained over and over. I would expect for someone to look at these explanations and point out where they are wrong or misleading. I would listen, but, no: "truths" are repeated with no research or context.

It is the old example of "someone fired a gun and another man died!" with no one ever considering that the other man died of a heart attack and he was deaf.
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« Reply #215 on: August 08, 2021, 06:45:30 AM »
Show me where I've forced anyone to do anything.

BTW, in this thread I've been called a Marxist, a SJW, and now a fascist. Y'all just have to have your cult-approved labels for those that don't agree with you, don't you?

You're talking about all the means that could be used to coerce people who don't want to be jabbed into getting jabbed. You're an advocate for medical tyranny, pretty basic fascism.

That is a perfect summary.  I mean fuck the vaccines are not even tested and the pharmaceutical companies are made immune to be sued.  Even a retard like I can understand how stupid it is to take the vax.  Especially now that we are finding out the vaccine can, at BEST, suppress the worst symptoms.  Not even full immunity which other vaccines had no trouble in doing.

My mind boggles that supposedly intelligent people don't seem to grasp this. And all for a "vaccine" that is completely unnecessary, even if it actually worked (which it doesn't).

"Statements" like these would even be worthy of a glance, should the guy on the podium with the megaphone mention the hundreds of times that they have been tackled - and then debunk these answers. ::)

Oh surprise, you have no response to any of those points.

Excellent post save for this part. It's always been impossible. And they knew it. It's impossible to stop the spread of a virus; even with 100% vaccinations. That's how people still catch diseases to this day, in spite of mass immunization and vaccination. The flu, chicken pox, common cold, etc. are but a few. There are trillions of those viruses roaming around. Coronaviruses are no exception. There will always be another variant. There is no "post-covid" world.

You don't have to be a scientist to know this. Complete erradication of a virus is impossible; only one case happened, and that's smallpox, which was in decline way before vaccines.

Exactly, coronaviruses have been endemic as long as we've had settled civilisation. It's utterly futile to attempt to "eradicate" them, and given the utter failure of 60-odd years of research into vaccines for them, we can't anyway.

Again, how developing a vaccine in a relatively short time was made possible has been explained over and over. I would expect for someone to look at these explanations and point out where they are wrong or misleading. I would listen, but, no: "truths" are repeated with no research or context.

It is the old example of "someone fired a gun and another man died!" with no one ever considering that the other man died of a heart attack and he was deaf.

It's not a "vaccine" because it doesn't provide immunity. And the fact that the snake oil has been developed in record time, cutting corners on all the normal trial methodology and licensed under emergency use with a waiver of liability for the manufacturers does commend it.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #216 on: August 08, 2021, 07:39:42 AM »
That is a perfect summary.  I mean fuck the vaccines are not even tested and the pharmaceutical companies are made immune to be sued.  Even a retard like I can understand how stupid it is to take the vax.

Sadly, you are not "retarded" enough to understand why it is normal that some jobs are protected by the law (and not "made immune": the wording still is "unless there’s “willful misconduct” by the company"; there is a clue for you there).

A rush job is a rush job no matter the intentions which by the way good luck proving the intentions of the pharmaceutical companies even when they did willful misconduct.

Again, how developing a vaccine in a relatively short time was made possible has been explained over and over. I would expect for someone to look at these explanations and point out where they are wrong or misleading. I would listen, but, no: "truths" are repeated with no research or context.

It is the old example of "someone fired a gun and another man died!" with no one ever considering that the other man died of a heart attack and he was deaf.
Once again, you're making broad assertions that a broad but undefined group of people are wrong, without explaining what they said, or how it was wrong. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to address a specific claim, and respond with specifics, rather than making vague assertions about "truths" and how it's been "explained", combined with analogies that could mean anything.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #217 on: August 08, 2021, 08:02:56 AM »
Show me where I've forced anyone to do anything.

BTW, in this thread I've been called a Marxist, a SJW, and now a fascist. Y'all just have to have your cult-approved labels for those that don't agree with you, don't you?

You're talking about all the means that could be used to coerce people who don't want to be jabbed into getting jabbed. You're an advocate for medical tyranny, pretty basic fascism.

That is a perfect summary.  I mean fuck the vaccines are not even tested and the pharmaceutical companies are made immune to be sued.  Even a retard like I can understand how stupid it is to take the vax.  Especially now that we are finding out the vaccine can, at BEST, suppress the worst symptoms.  Not even full immunity which other vaccines had no trouble in doing.

My mind boggles that supposedly intelligent people don't seem to grasp this. And all for a "vaccine" that is completely unnecessary, even if it actually worked (which it doesn't).

"Statements" like these would even be worthy of a glance, should the guy on the podium with the megaphone mention the hundreds of times that they have been tackled - and then debunk these answers. ::)

Oh surprise, you have no response to any of those points.

Excellent post save for this part. It's always been impossible. And they knew it. It's impossible to stop the spread of a virus; even with 100% vaccinations. That's how people still catch diseases to this day, in spite of mass immunization and vaccination. The flu, chicken pox, common cold, etc. are but a few. There are trillions of those viruses roaming around. Coronaviruses are no exception. There will always be another variant. There is no "post-covid" world.

You don't have to be a scientist to know this. Complete erradication of a virus is impossible; only one case happened, and that's smallpox, which was in decline way before vaccines.

Exactly, coronaviruses have been endemic as long as we've had settled civilisation. It's utterly futile to attempt to "eradicate" them, and given the utter failure of 60-odd years of research into vaccines for them, we can't anyway.

Again, how developing a vaccine in a relatively short time was made possible has been explained over and over. I would expect for someone to look at these explanations and point out where they are wrong or misleading. I would listen, but, no: "truths" are repeated with no research or context.

It is the old example of "someone fired a gun and another man died!" with no one ever considering that the other man died of a heart attack and he was deaf.

It's not a "vaccine" because it doesn't provide immunity. And the fact that the snake oil has been developed in record time, cutting corners on all the normal trial methodology and licensed under emergency use with a waiver of liability for the manufacturers does commend it.
Talking about a point doesn't mean I'm an advocate of the point. That's as moronic as assuming that anyone that discusses BLM's methods is by default an advocate of those methods. You just want so hard to see me as an enemy that you're willing to make moronic leaps to do so. You're not alone in that, and that's why I pity fools like you.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #218 on: August 08, 2021, 08:42:53 AM »
Talking about a point doesn't mean I'm an advocate of the point. That's as moronic as assuming that anyone that discusses BLM's methods is by default an advocate of those methods. You just want so hard to see me as an enemy that you're willing to make moronic leaps to do so. You're not alone in that, and that's why I pity fools like you.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #219 on: August 08, 2021, 09:10:33 AM »
Talking about a point doesn't mean I'm an advocate of the point. That's as moronic as assuming that anyone that discusses BLM's methods is by default an advocate of those methods. You just want so hard to see me as an enemy that you're willing to make moronic leaps to do so. You're not alone in that, and that's why I pity fools like you.

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Well, bless your heart, more baseless conspiracy nonsense. You.just dont know.any better, do you?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #220 on: August 08, 2021, 09:14:27 AM »
Get back to a discussion on the reality of the issue then.

The "reality" is that you've allowed yourself to be injected with an experimental treatment. Something that is irreversible. The long-term consequences of which are unknown. The evidence even of short and medium term consequences is already starting to build up.

I have not and my immune system still functions as it has done up until this point. Like a proper fascist, you want to force everyone not stupid enough to have taken part in human trials for free to join in your madness to validate your poor decision making.
Show me where I've forced anyone to do anything.

BTW, in this thread I've been called a Marxist, a SJW, and now a fascist. Y'all just have to have your cult-approved labels for those that don't agree with you, don't you?

Remember: 2016 US Elections were influenced by Russia. 2020 US Elections were influenced by... the "Deep State" I guess (I like more the term "Delta Green" myself).

Whatever floats your boat is good.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #221 on: August 08, 2021, 09:30:28 AM »
Well, bless your heart, more baseless conspiracy nonsense. You.just dont know.any better, do you?

Every coronavirus vaccine trial before now failed because of antibody dependent enhancement. Mysteriously, all the most-vaccinated countries (Israel, Iceland, the UK) are the ones experiencing surges in infections, hospitalisations and deaths.

But sure, it's totally fine...
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #222 on: August 08, 2021, 10:46:33 AM »
"Statements" like these would even be worthy of a glance, should the guy on the podium with the megaphone mention the hundreds of times that they have been tackled - and then debunk these answers. ::)

Oh surprise, you have no response to any of those points.

I already gave responses, on this very thread, with links. This is why I would expect a minimum of debunking effort, with references. But of course not anyone bothers to read what others actually say: a pulpit and a megafone don't work that way.

Anyway, here is an Article published on Nature about not only the COVID pandemic led to faster and sill safe methods to develop vaccines, but how the result could be a strategic breakthrough for medical sciences as a whole:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03626-1

Some hints: mRNA techniques were already known. Coronavirii were already well known. World cooperation. Superfunding.

If Nature uses too many $10 words for you, here is an article by Medical News Today:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-did-we-develop-a-covid-19-vaccine-so-quickly#Worldwide-collaboration

Actually, mRNA vaccines are already being tested as a way to fight cancer:

https://molecular-cancer.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12943-021-01335-5

Regarding why vaccine creators are protected by Law...

BECAUSE WITHOUT SUCH LAWS NO ONE WOULD EVER CREATE VACCINES

[Or a better version of Tylenol, for what matters.]

This protection was not made up out of thin air after the COVID emergency. The US Supreme Court passed it in May, 2018 - when a pandemic was only one of the vague menaces decried by soothsayers.

https://www.policymed.com/2011/03/supreme-court-rules-in-favor-of-protecting-vaccine-makers-from-state-lawsuits.html

You can ever read the 57 pages opinion written by Justice Antonin Scalia:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

You disagree? These are fake news? Snake oil would be better? Fine. Debunk them. give me facts. Give me references. I promise that I'll read them. I already did regarding other matters on this thread.

Otherwise you are not different from the sheep in "Animal Farm": "Vaccines were rushed!" and such become only meaningless sound bleated by the sheep ("Two legs baa-d. Four legs goo-d."), serving no purpose other than to drown out dissenting opinion without tackling it.

Every coronavirus vaccine trial before now failed because of antibody dependent enhancement. Mysteriously, all the most-vaccinated countries (Israel, Iceland, the UK) are the ones experiencing surges in infections, hospitalisations and deaths.

No.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-iceland-vaccines-idUSL1N2P918F

"Vaccines cause variants!"

Nope.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-delta-vaccine-idUSL1N2OW1TA

You disagree? Facts, please, not the sad, inane, internet hearsay spotlighted in these links - and that you are just regurgitating.
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« Reply #223 on: August 08, 2021, 11:03:28 AM »
"Statements" like these would even be worthy of a glance, should the guy on the podium with the megaphone mention the hundreds of times that they have been tackled - and then debunk these answers. ::)

Oh surprise, you have no response to any of those points.

I already gave responses, on this very thread, with links. This is why I would expect a minimum of debunking effort, with references. But of course not anyone bothers to read what others actually say: a pulpit and a megafone don't work that way.

Anyway, here is an Article published on Nature about not only the COVID pandemic led to faster and sill safe methods to develop vaccines, but how the result could be a strategic breakthrough for medical sciences as a whole:
I notice you cut out the "statement" you're refuting. Here is it:

The "reality" is that you've allowed yourself to be injected with an experimental treatment. Something that is irreversible. The long-term consequences of which are unknown. The evidence even of short and medium term consequences is already starting to build up.
You didn't address a single one of those points.

For someone whose go-to response is "nobody reads my posts", you're not very good at reading other people's posts.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #224 on: August 08, 2021, 11:20:02 AM »
"Statements" like these would even be worthy of a glance, should the guy on the podium with the megaphone mention the hundreds of times that they have been tackled - and then debunk these answers. ::)

Oh surprise, you have no response to any of those points.

I already gave responses, on this very thread, with links. This is why I would expect a minimum of debunking effort, with references. But of course not anyone bothers to read what others actually say: a pulpit and a megafone don't work that way.

Anyway, here is an Article published on Nature about not only the COVID pandemic led to faster and sill safe methods to develop vaccines, but how the result could be a strategic breakthrough for medical sciences as a whole:
I notice you cut out the "statement" you're refuting. Here is it:

The "reality" is that you've allowed yourself to be injected with an experimental treatment. Something that is irreversible. The long-term consequences of which are unknown. The evidence even of short and medium term consequences is already starting to build up.
You didn't address a single one of those points.

For someone whose go-to response is "nobody reads my posts", you're not very good at reading other people's posts.

Or maybe I already tackled all those points, in this very thread. Try to check.

Oh, BTW, in my latest post I made an obvious mistake. My bad: just glancing at it is enough to catch it. But I guess you didn't read it. Of course the answer was instead the usual rush to "You didn't address this!" about things addressed over and over here.

Not even my request for facts and links was enough to prevent...
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The evidence even of short and medium term consequences is already starting to build up.

...Without facts and links. ::) No. The usual Twitterati factoid, instead. Given as that. The literal Word of God.
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