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Author Topic: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!  (Read 199147 times)

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #195 on: August 07, 2021, 04:05:30 PM »
I think it's "better" to discuss the likely reality rather than the fevered imaginary outcomes of the crazy conspiracy theorists.
The reality that the methods are slightly less draconian then envisioned?
If the vaccine doesn’t make you less of a carrier, why does it bother you that others could be more naturally cautious of the injections?


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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #196 on: August 07, 2021, 04:51:59 PM »
I think it's "better" to discuss the likely reality rather than the fevered imaginary outcomes of the crazy conspiracy theorists.
The reality that the methods are slightly less draconian then envisioned?
If the vaccine doesn’t make you less of a carrier, why does it bother you that others could be more naturally cautious of the injections?
Those are two different points. I was addressing the first one (better to discuss what is likely to happen than the exaggerated imagining). Do you want to let that rest and shift to the second instead? If so, note that I'm not the one that said it "bothered" me for the reasons that you state.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #197 on: August 07, 2021, 05:23:19 PM »
It's not "imprison". It starts slowly; first, social shaming. Then, you can't go out to mass events. Then restaurants and cinemas. Then who knows...

It's a war of attrition, they expect you to give in without having to shoot a single bullet, all with the consent of society and out in the open. If the vaccine were so necessary, then we would see that the countries with the lowest vaccination rates and most lenient quarantines are suffering the most yet this isn't what happened (Poland, Russia, states like Florida, Texas, Uruguay, Slovenia, etc.). And this leaky vaccine can end up causing new, vaccine-resistant strains, apart from the side effects which are confirmed to accompany it. That's why Gibraltar is a no-go zone in spite of having a 100% vaccinated population.

You're an idiot if you still think this is about public health, your safety or a fucking virus. Especially if its promoted by the same people who were concerned about overpopulation...

A couple of years ago, Bill Gates (one of the main funders of the UN) proposed the ID2020 initiative as part of the UN's Agenda 2030 for sustainable development; a digital, worldwide ID. He participated in the Event 201; a simulation along with the WEF to see how a coronavirus from Wuhan would spread. And along came a virus that required "resetting capitalism" and international vaccine passports. This is about an international social credit system. You'll own nothing and you'll be happy by 2030

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #198 on: August 07, 2021, 05:26:05 PM »
Those are two different points. I was addressing the first one (better to discuss what is likely to happen than the exaggerated imagining). Do you want to let that rest and shift to the second instead? If so, note that I'm not the one that said it "bothered" me for the reasons that you state.

The point about 'We aren't LITERALLY jailing you' sounds allot like the SJW points about free speech; not literally making it illegal to disagree with them, but still very much going against the spirit of the idea and making it difficult to express your opinion in every literal other way, to bypass the law in a way (social control can actually be more effective then laws in a way). Its also not hard to imagine to be the next step after this. Temporary jailing before the vaccine is injected by force. If you fundementally disagree with the autonomy of people, then the last step is a logical end point.

And maybe it doesn't bother you, but you sure act that way. Irritated by people who even disagree, or find things suspect.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #199 on: August 07, 2021, 05:27:26 PM »
Moving away from the discussion about Spanish Flu...



Masks? World Health Organization 2019 Influenza Pandemic Playbook:


Couple of newer studies demonstrating that Covid is primarily transmitted through aerosols less than 5 microns in size.
I don't have a quick text link but notably former Biden health advisor Dr. Michael Osterhelm is now breaking ranks and admitting that cloth & surgical masks are useless at stopping spread of Covid.

Quote from: Clare Craig, MD. Pathologist
Aerosols that small are equivalent to smoke particles. They can travel miles and they make masks pointless.




How many times can "Public Health Officials" lie and people still believe them? First about Covid origins, then about efficacy of masks & lockdowns, now about efficacy of vaccines. Is there anything they haven't directly and demonstrably lied about?

  • April 1st 2021: Vaccinated Don’t Carry, Can’t Spread Virus
  • “Vaccinated people do not carry the virus — they don’t get sick,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on Tuesday. That’s “not just in the clinical trials, but it’s also in real-world data.”
  • June 29: Fauci: "If in fact, you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, you are protected, and you do not need to wear a mask, outdoors or indoors."
  • July 16: Fauci: "Vaccinated people who contract COVID-19 are far less likely to spread the virus than unvaccinated people"
  • July 27: Walensky: "But with the delta variant, the level of virus in infected vaccinated people is “indistinguishable” from the level of virus in the noses and throats of unvaccinated people."
  • August 6th: Walensky: "What they [Coronavirus vaccines] can׳t do anymore is prevent transmission."

Eliminating Covid is impossible at this stage. Measures like Lockdowns cause more harm without meaningfully stopping spread of aerosols that are in the atmosphere:

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In the first 4 months of 2021, Australia’s all-cause mortality was up 5.6%. Cancer deaths up by 8.9% thanks to inadequate treatment over lockdown. Dementia is up 18.9% thanks to social isolation. 0 covid deaths. Covid zero is a failed policy that is killing Australians


The vaccines that are being pushed on people are not sterilizing vaccines. Infection and transmission continues regardless of vaccination status. In circumstances where vaccine-provoked immune response is insufficient, this can drive greater disease virulence1, 2.

Quote from: Robert Malone, MD
Continuing to push universal vaccination is reasonably likely to drive development of a "supervirus" variant that will be completely resistant to spike antigen-driven vaccine immune responses.  Universal vaccination- bad policy based on naive understanding of viral evolution.

Quote from: Luc Montagnier, MD PhD, Nobel Laureate 2008
We’re in unknown territory and proclaim mandatory vaccines for everyone. It’s insanity. It’s vaccination insanity that I absolutely condemn. ...  [variants] are a production and result from the vaccination.

Evolutionary Biologists Bret Weinstein & Heather Heyer talk about Natural vs. Vaccine Immunity:
https://odysee.com/@DarkHorsePodcastClips:b/Natural-Vs-Vaccine-immunity:4


But there's good news. Most of the population has already been infected and has acquired immunity. Did you get vaccinated? Great. You have some protection. Did you get infected? Even better.

Israel National News
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By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.

Even if we could eliminate Covid in human populations, Covid will remain a persistent environmental pathogen.

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Between January and March 2021, the U.S. Department of Agriculture tested 385 white-tailed deer found throughout the states of Michigan, Illinois, New York and Pennsylvania, where they detected antibodies for SARS-CoV-2 in 40% of the population, both National Geographic and Nature reported on Monday. An additional three samples from January 2020 also showed antibodies.

How many mammalian species on the planet are now viral reservoirs? Are we going to try hunting down every last animal on the planet to vaccinate them too? Worrying about possible RNA transcription events that are occuring millions of times in every living every second is pointless and self-defeating.

So what can we do?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #200 on: August 07, 2021, 05:39:26 PM »
Those are two different points. I was addressing the first one (better to discuss what is likely to happen than the exaggerated imagining). Do you want to let that rest and shift to the second instead? If so, note that I'm not the one that said it "bothered" me for the reasons that you state.

The point about 'We aren't LITERALLY jailing you' sounds allot like the SJW points about free speech; not literally making it illegal to disagree with them, but still very much going against the spirit of the idea and making it difficult to express your opinion in every literal other way, to bypass the law in a way (social control can actually be more effective then laws in a way). Its also not hard to imagine to be the next step after this. Temporary jailing before the vaccine is injected by force. If you fundementally disagree with the autonomy of people, then the last step is a logical end point.

And maybe it doesn't bother you, but you sure act that way. Irritated by people who even disagree, or find things suspect.
Ok, you want to stick to the nonsense over the reality. Carry on, but I'll just go back to making fun of you. It's OK, I view it as a win.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #201 on: August 07, 2021, 05:53:49 PM »
It's OK, I view it as a win.
.....I figured this was about a 'win' for you, as opposed to a discussion of an issue thats affecting people you theoretically care about.
In that case you get 100 points and the Super Platinum trophy. Enjoy.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #202 on: August 07, 2021, 06:05:32 PM »
It's OK, I view it as a win.
.....I figured this was about a 'win' for you, as opposed to a discussion of an issue thats affecting people you theoretically care about.
In that case you get 100 points and the Super Platinum trophy. Enjoy.
Get back to a discussion on the reality of the issue then.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #203 on: August 07, 2021, 06:10:50 PM »
Get back to a discussion on the reality of the issue then.
Nah, Im just a dummy. What would be the point, now that you have won? If the entire point of this was to make fun of me and score you a win, I wouldn't want to take that joy away from you. If 'winning' was the point (and you won), I don't really see this as a conversation that will enlighten either of us (especially not you since your the clear victor).

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #204 on: August 07, 2021, 06:39:36 PM »
I think this will likely become the true form of pressure on the unvaccinated rather than the hyperbole of people being imprisoned for not taking the vaccine.
....Because thats so much better? If the less hyperbolic version of a kick to the dick is a punch to the face-thats not very significant in terms of public appeal.

With how flaky the situation is (with the mutating virus, lax testing, and the general weak effectiveness of the vaccine even taking it at face value) what is so unethical, or evil, or stupid about being aprehensive about taking it? Again, there is also a noted psychological effect where if you try to FORCE the undecided, they become resentful and uncompliant.

And Im vaccinated.
I think it's "better" to discuss the likely reality rather than the fevered imaginary outcomes of the crazy conspiracy theorists.
IMAX called.  They are threatening legal action over your violation of their patent concerning massive projections.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #205 on: August 07, 2021, 07:06:05 PM »
Get back to a discussion on the reality of the issue then.

The "reality" is that you've allowed yourself to be injected with an experimental treatment. Something that is irreversible. The long-term consequences of which are unknown. The evidence even of short and medium term consequences is already starting to build up.

I have not and my immune system still functions as it has done up until this point. Like a proper fascist, you want to force everyone not stupid enough to have taken part in human trials for free to join in your madness to validate your poor decision making.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #206 on: August 07, 2021, 07:57:58 PM »
Get back to a discussion on the reality of the issue then.

The "reality" is that you've allowed yourself to be injected with an experimental treatment. Something that is irreversible. The long-term consequences of which are unknown. The evidence even of short and medium term consequences is already starting to build up.

I have not and my immune system still functions as it has done up until this point. Like a proper fascist, you want to force everyone not stupid enough to have taken part in human trials for free to join in your madness to validate your poor decision making.
Show me where I've forced anyone to do anything.

BTW, in this thread I've been called a Marxist, a SJW, and now a fascist. Y'all just have to have your cult-approved labels for those that don't agree with you, don't you?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #207 on: August 07, 2021, 08:19:36 PM »
Get back to a discussion on the reality of the issue then.

The "reality" is that you've allowed yourself to be injected with an experimental treatment. Something that is irreversible. The long-term consequences of which are unknown. The evidence even of short and medium term consequences is already starting to build up.

I have not and my immune system still functions as it has done up until this point. Like a proper fascist, you want to force everyone not stupid enough to have taken part in human trials for free to join in your madness to validate your poor decision making.

That is a perfect summary.  I mean fuck the vaccines are not even tested and the pharmaceutical companies are made immune to be sued.  Even a retard like I can understand how stupid it is to take the vax.  Especially now that we are finding out the vaccine can, at BEST, suppress the worst symptoms.  Not even full immunity which other vaccines had no trouble in doing.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #208 on: August 07, 2021, 08:23:21 PM »
Get back to a discussion on the reality of the issue then.

The "reality" is that you've allowed yourself to be injected with an experimental treatment. Something that is irreversible. The long-term consequences of which are unknown. The evidence even of short and medium term consequences is already starting to build up.

"Statements" like these would even be worthy of a glance, should the guy on the podium with the megaphone mention the hundreds of times that they have been tackled - and then debunk these answers. ::)
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #209 on: August 07, 2021, 08:29:21 PM »
That is a perfect summary.  I mean fuck the vaccines are not even tested and the pharmaceutical companies are made immune to be sued.  Even a retard like I can understand how stupid it is to take the vax.

Sadly, you are not "retarded" enough to understand why it is normal that some jobs are protected by the law (and not "made immune": the wording still is "unless there’s “willful misconduct” by the company"; there is a clue for you there).
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