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Author Topic: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!  (Read 199101 times)

Reckall

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #180 on: August 07, 2021, 03:37:37 AM »
So, since we obsess with precise geographic terms like "Wuhan Flu" or "Kung Flu" it is only fair towards Spain to rename the 1918-1919 pandemic "Kansas Flu" or "AmeriFlu". I'm confident that other posters will see the justice and appropriateness of fixing this historical misunderstanding.
Except the Haskell origin has been debunked.

Actually it hasn't. Re-read what was posted here...

No, sorry, let me rephrase that: read what was posted here.

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Might as well name it the Bergamo Flu.

I see that there is some confusion and crossed wires in your head regarding the discourse about two different pandemics one century apart from each other. Unsurprisingly 😂
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #181 on: August 07, 2021, 03:43:11 AM »
Sorry, it has been debunked. Try to avoid those Breitbart conspiracy theories you love so much.

The equivalence of Kansas and Bergamo should have been obvious from context, but grasping that's obviously not a strength of yours.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #182 on: August 07, 2021, 05:40:50 AM »
Sorry, it has been debunked. Try to avoid those Breitbart conspiracy theories you love so much.

Beside missing why it is still the most probable origin, due to strange omissions in the "debunking study"... At which point you also missed "Please, just don't quote me Breitbart News"? For Go*sake, at least try to read a thread.

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The equivalence of Kansas and Bergamo should have been obvious from context,

Context being "Bergamo, 2020, via Wuhan" vs. "Kansas, 1919, via maybe New York City"? The very study you quoted, and which I actually read for you, says that, at the end, the 1918 flu very possibly had origins in North America (I posted the very abstract, but, amen to that) - making it "The Ameriflu of 1918" , if you really want to use idiotic terms like "The Wuhan Flu of 2019".

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but grasping that's obviously not a strength of yours.

Nor reading what is actually posted before answering is a strength of yours. No one is perfect.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #183 on: August 07, 2021, 06:43:18 AM »
You actually believe that nonsense? Keep eating the anti-vaxxer cookies dumbass, but puking up the misinformation is wrong...and cowardly.

Good luck with all your sick "fully vaccinated" patients a few weeks from now. You're going to need it.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #184 on: August 07, 2021, 08:49:11 AM »
Sorry, it has been debunked. Try to avoid those Breitbart conspiracy theories you love so much.

Beside missing why it is still the most probable origin, due to strange omissions in the "debunking study"... At which point you also missed "Please, just don't quote me Breitbart News"? For Go*sake, at least try to read a thread.

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The equivalence of Kansas and Bergamo should have been obvious from context,

Context being "Bergamo, 2020, via Wuhan" vs. "Kansas, 1919, via maybe New York City"? The very study you quoted, and which I actually read for you, says that, at the end, the 1918 flu very possibly had origins in North America (I posted the very abstract, but, amen to that) - making it "The Ameriflu of 1918" , if you really want to use idiotic terms like "The Wuhan Flu of 2019".

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but grasping that's obviously not a strength of yours.

Nor reading what is actually posted before answering is a strength of yours. No one is perfect.
I know you're a fan of Brietbart, but could you stop bringing them up in every post? Kthxbye.

And what's this Bergamo 2020 nonsense? That's more than a 100 years off. I was providing an equally valid alternate name for the 1918 flu, which you repeatedly and erroneously referred to as the Kansas flu. If you read for context, you'd know that. My satire wasn't very subtle, so even someone like you who is almost totally blind to context should be able to grasp it.

Also, you must have missed where I said the Bergamo flu could have had a general North American origin, before you did. If you read what I actually posted, you'd have known that.


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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #185 on: August 07, 2021, 08:50:40 AM »
You actually believe that nonsense? Keep eating the anti-vaxxer cookies dumbass, but puking up the misinformation is wrong...and cowardly.

Good luck with all your sick "fully vaccinated" patients a few weeks from now. You're going to need it.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #186 on: August 07, 2021, 09:18:03 AM »
I've personally seen scores relatively healthy (damn near nobody is "perfectly healthy") individuals in their 30s and 40s with severe Covid-related symptoms in the last few months. I have directly witnessed a few of them die from it. The same is true for everyone else I work alongside.

I see the current death rate for the Wuhan Covid for ages 30 to 39 range from 0.1% to 0.3%, so if we use an average of 0.2% times the population of Florida (2.6 million aged 30 to 39) equals 5 200 people.

So if you work in healthcare in Florida then yes I would expect you to see "a few" die from the Wuhan Covid.

The data as of 2021-06-02 for Florida is
http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/cases-monitoring-and-pui-information/county-report/county_reports_latest.pdf
(bottom of page 1)
I recalculated the % of total so that I could display a sufficient number of sig figs to avoid non-zero # of deaths having a zero % of total. I also added ascending and descending cumulative % totals.

The number of deaths over the age cohort of 25 to 44 is 221 +609 = 830. The % of total is 0.65 +1.65 = 2.3%.

As a comparison, the deaths from motor vehicle crashes for that age cohort is roughly the same (988 in 2019, 903 average over 2000-19, 963 median value over 2000-19). And interestingly enough, the deaths from motor vehicle crashes for the 0-4 yr age cohort in 2019 (31) are roughly an order of magnitude higher.
http://www.flhealthcharts.com/ChartsReports/rdPage.aspx?rdReport=Death.Dataviewer

                                                      cumulative % totals (by age)
age             # deaths    % of total     (ascending)  (descending)
0-4 years           2               0.01       100.00            0.01
5-14 years         5               0.01         99.99            0.02
15-24 years      56              0.15         99.98            0.17
25-34 years     221             0.60         99.83            0.77
35-44 years     609             1.65         99.23            2.42
45-54 years   1,518            4.11         97.58            6.52
55-64 years   4,190          11.33         93.48          17.85
65-74 years   7,936          21.46         82.15          39.32
75-84 years   11,130        30.10         60.68          69.42
85+ years      11,306        30.58        30.58         100.00




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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #187 on: August 07, 2021, 12:44:04 PM »
The idea that anyone can compare the Spanish Flu, where the technology of the time and the passage of time makes any effort to trace the origin speculative at best, to the Wuhan Flu, where the outbreak occurred in the same city where a level 4 lab with a history of lax security and contracts for enhancing coronaviruses is situated, is ludicrous.  Even if Covid 19 wasn't a lab leak, the next prevailing theories are the virus jumping from a bat or pangolin in the Wuhan wet-markets or the natural jumping occurring from bats in the region.  So all theories (except the Chinese's propaganda one) have this virus originating in China near Wuhan.  At best, if you accept the lab leak hypothesis, you could call this the "Fauci virus," since the NIAID paid for the gain-of-function research that might have spawned it (which we now how pretty clear evidence for, since the NIH scrubbed the public databases of the contracts soon after Rand Paul pointed them out.  Why do that unless they make you look guilty?).  If you object to Wu-Flu, I'll accept Fauci-Flu as an alternative.

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« Reply #188 on: August 07, 2021, 12:46:54 PM »
I was reading that employees fired for noncompliance with their employer's vaccine requirements will not be eligible for unemployment benefits. This falls under a willful act that leads to separation. I think this will likely become the true form of pressure on the unvaccinated rather than the hyperbole of people being imprisoned for not taking the vaccine.

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« Reply #189 on: August 07, 2021, 12:48:21 PM »
The idea that anyone can compare the Spanish Flu, where the technology of the time and the passage of time makes any effort to trace the origin speculative at best, to the Wuhan Flu, where the outbreak occurred in the same city where a level 4 lab with a history of lax security and contracts for enhancing coronaviruses is situated, is ludicrous.  Even if Covid 19 wasn't a lab leak, the next prevailing theories are the virus jumping from a bat or pangolin in the Wuhan wet-markets or the natural jumping occurring from bats in the region.  So all theories (except the Chinese's propaganda one) have this virus originating in China near Wuhan.  At best, if you accept the lab leak hypothesis, you could call this the "Fauci virus," since the NIAID paid for the gain-of-function research that might have spawned it (which we now how pretty clear evidence for, since the NIH scrubbed the public databases of the contracts soon after Rand Paul pointed them out.  Why do that unless they make you look guilty?).  If you object to Wu-Flu, I'll accept Fauci-Flu as an alternative.
Because calling it Covid or Covid-19 is too hard for you?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #190 on: August 07, 2021, 01:09:43 PM »
I think this will likely become the true form of pressure on the unvaccinated rather than the hyperbole of people being imprisoned for not taking the vaccine.
....Because thats so much better? If the less hyperbolic version of a kick to the dick is a punch to the face-thats not very significant in terms of public appeal.

With how flaky the situation is (with the mutating virus, lax testing, and the general weak effectiveness of the vaccine even taking it at face value) what is so unethical, or evil, or stupid about being aprehensive about taking it? Again, there is also a noted psychological effect where if you try to FORCE the undecided, they become resentful and uncompliant.

And Im vaccinated.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #191 on: August 07, 2021, 01:18:16 PM »
Again, there is also a noted psychological effect where if you try to FORCE the undecided, they become resentful and uncompliant.

That exactly the reason why I think that OSHA didn't made mandatory to report vaccines' side effects while leaving the door open to freely do it, BTW.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #192 on: August 07, 2021, 02:18:37 PM »
The idea that anyone can compare the Spanish Flu, where the technology of the time and the passage of time makes any effort to trace the origin speculative at best, to the Wuhan Flu, where the outbreak occurred in the same city where a level 4 lab with a history of lax security and contracts for enhancing coronaviruses is situated, is ludicrous.  Even if Covid 19 wasn't a lab leak, the next prevailing theories are the virus jumping from a bat or pangolin in the Wuhan wet-markets or the natural jumping occurring from bats in the region.  So all theories (except the Chinese's propaganda one) have this virus originating in China near Wuhan.  At best, if you accept the lab leak hypothesis, you could call this the "Fauci virus," since the NIAID paid for the gain-of-function research that might have spawned it (which we now how pretty clear evidence for, since the NIH scrubbed the public databases of the contracts soon after Rand Paul pointed them out.  Why do that unless they make you look guilty?).  If you object to Wu-Flu, I'll accept Fauci-Flu as an alternative.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #193 on: August 07, 2021, 03:13:43 PM »
I think this will likely become the true form of pressure on the unvaccinated rather than the hyperbole of people being imprisoned for not taking the vaccine.
....Because thats so much better? If the less hyperbolic version of a kick to the dick is a punch to the face-thats not very significant in terms of public appeal.

With how flaky the situation is (with the mutating virus, lax testing, and the general weak effectiveness of the vaccine even taking it at face value) what is so unethical, or evil, or stupid about being aprehensive about taking it? Again, there is also a noted psychological effect where if you try to FORCE the undecided, they become resentful and uncompliant.

And Im vaccinated.
I think it's "better" to discuss the likely reality rather than the fevered imaginary outcomes of the crazy conspiracy theorists.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #194 on: August 07, 2021, 03:53:50 PM »
I think it's "better" to discuss the likely reality rather than the fevered imaginary outcomes of the crazy conspiracy theorists.

Right, Everyone will have to take the vaccine, period. For those scared of the second needle, just get it over with because the third and subsequent ones are looking real promising. Positive side of things, at least you have a certain degree of protection.
Still, better than being outcasted and forbidden to virtually enter anywhere but a vax clinic. They don’t sell groceries there!
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