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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #90 on: August 05, 2021, 09:31:26 PM »
And yes, those prophylactics are out of patent, and yes the pharmaceuticals have meda billions from their vaccines and will do yet more billions since you are supossed to have it every year.

It gets even better when you realize that, in the US, the FDA is not allowed to issue an Emergency Use Authorization if there is an approved therapeutic available...

It would have been awful if the FDA would have approved any of those prophylactics for use...I mean that means we would have to wait for full approval before using the shots.  Imagine how sad all the pharmaceutical companies would have been if they had to wait to help everyone out...  :'(

Now maybe I am misunderstanding something since I am not a health care professional...but if I am wrong, I am sure someone with expertise will step forward and tell us.

...because I wouldn't want to spread misinformation.
I'm not fluent enough in FDA bureaucratese to know one way or the other, but that sounds both plausible... and dubious. Do you or anyone else have a solid source for that?


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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #91 on: August 05, 2021, 09:34:00 PM »
H. Scott Apley, who according to the Galveston News was a member of the Galveston County Republican Party and Dickinson City council, was 45 years old. No listed pre-existing conditions.

On Facebook last week he posted:

“In 6 months, we’ve gone from the vax ending the pandemic, to you can still get Covid even if vaxxed, to you can pass Covid onto others even if vaxxed, to you can still die of Covid even if vaxxed, to the unvaxxed are killing the vaxxed,” the post read. Below it was "Bah ha ah ah yup."

Apley was admitted to a Galveston hospital two days after that post, on Sunday Aug 1, with pneumonia-like symptoms, according to a GoFundMe page. He tested positive for COVID-19 and was placed on a ventilator.

He died around 3 a.m. Wednesday, according to the GoFundMe.

His wife and 5-month-old son also tested positive for the virus, KTRK reported.

This could be any of you guys here saying exactly the same kind of stuff this guy posted last week. And now he's dead.

Please, get your vaccines guys. Even if it's just the J&J Vaccine which uses more "normal" tech behind it, just get it.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2021, 09:41:14 PM by Mistwell »

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #92 on: August 05, 2021, 09:40:56 PM »
H. Scott Apley, who according to the Galveston News was a member of the Galveston County Republican Party and Dickinson City council, was 45 years old. No listed pre-existing conditions.

On Facebook last week he posted:

“In 6 months, we’ve gone from the vax ending the pandemic, to you can still get Covid even if vaxxed, to you can pass Covid onto others even if vaxxed, to you can still die of Covid even if vaxxed, to the unvaxxed are killing the vaxxed,” the post read.

Apley was admitted to a Galveston hospital two days after that post with pneumonia-like symptoms, according to a GoFundMe page. He tested positive for COVID-19 and was placed on a ventilator.

He died around 3 a.m. Wednesday, according to the GoFundMe.

His wife and 5-month-old son also tested positive for the virus, KTRK reported.

This could be any of you guys here saying exactly the same kind of stuff this guy posted last week. And now he's dead.

Please, get your vaccines guys. Even if it's just the J&J Vaccine which uses more "normal" tech behind it, just get it.
He was morbidly obese.  He may have died from Covid, or he may have died with Covid.  That has yet to be determined.  But don't let me slow down your grave-dancing.

BTW, would you like me to post a couple of dozen stories of people who have died of Covid after taking the vaccine?  They are out there.  But single stories aren't evidence of anything, other than lightning can strike sometimes...

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #93 on: August 05, 2021, 09:41:08 PM »
H. Scott Apley, who according to the Galveston News was a member of the Galveston County Republican Party and Dickinson City council, was 45 years old. No listed pre-existing conditions.

On Facebook last week he posted:

“In 6 months, we’ve gone from the vax ending the pandemic, to you can still get Covid even if vaxxed, to you can pass Covid onto others even if vaxxed, to you can still die of Covid even if vaxxed, to the unvaxxed are killing the vaxxed,” the post read. Below it was "Bah ha ah ah yup."

Apley was admitted to a Galveston hospital two days after that post with pneumonia-like symptoms, according to a GoFundMe page. He tested positive for COVID-19 and was placed on a ventilator.

He died around 3 a.m. Wednesday, according to the GoFundMe.

His wife and 5-month-old son also tested positive for the virus, KTRK reported.

This could be any of you guys here saying exactly the same kind of stuff this guy posted last week. And now he's dead.

Please, get your vaccines guys. Even if it's just the J&J Vaccine which uses more "normal" tech behind it, just get it.

You think we're not aware that people have died with Covid? This does not change my risk assesment.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #94 on: August 05, 2021, 09:43:28 PM »
H. Scott Apley, who according to the Galveston News was a member of the Galveston County Republican Party and Dickinson City council, was 45 years old. No listed pre-existing conditions.

On Facebook last week he posted:

“In 6 months, we’ve gone from the vax ending the pandemic, to you can still get Covid even if vaxxed, to you can pass Covid onto others even if vaxxed, to you can still die of Covid even if vaxxed, to the unvaxxed are killing the vaxxed,” the post read.

Apley was admitted to a Galveston hospital two days after that post with pneumonia-like symptoms, according to a GoFundMe page. He tested positive for COVID-19 and was placed on a ventilator.

He died around 3 a.m. Wednesday, according to the GoFundMe.

His wife and 5-month-old son also tested positive for the virus, KTRK reported.

This could be any of you guys here saying exactly the same kind of stuff this guy posted last week. And now he's dead.

Please, get your vaccines guys. Even if it's just the J&J Vaccine which uses more "normal" tech behind it, just get it.
He was morbidly obese.  He may have died from Covid, or he may have died with Covid.  That has yet to be determined.  But don't let me slow down your grave-dancing.

BTW, would you like me to post a couple of dozen stories of people who have died of Covid after taking the vaccine?  They are out there.  But single stories aren't evidence of anything, other than lightning can strike sometimes...

Where are you getting he was morbidly obese? I've seen nothing verifying that anywhere.

I am not grave dancing. He has a little baby. This is horrible and nothing to be happy about. WTF is wrong with you?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #95 on: August 05, 2021, 09:44:46 PM »
H. Scott Apley, who according to the Galveston News was a member of the Galveston County Republican Party and Dickinson City council, was 45 years old. No listed pre-existing conditions.

On Facebook last week he posted:

“In 6 months, we’ve gone from the vax ending the pandemic, to you can still get Covid even if vaxxed, to you can pass Covid onto others even if vaxxed, to you can still die of Covid even if vaxxed, to the unvaxxed are killing the vaxxed,” the post read. Below it was "Bah ha ah ah yup."

Apley was admitted to a Galveston hospital two days after that post with pneumonia-like symptoms, according to a GoFundMe page. He tested positive for COVID-19 and was placed on a ventilator.

He died around 3 a.m. Wednesday, according to the GoFundMe.

His wife and 5-month-old son also tested positive for the virus, KTRK reported.

This could be any of you guys here saying exactly the same kind of stuff this guy posted last week. And now he's dead.

Please, get your vaccines guys. Even if it's just the J&J Vaccine which uses more "normal" tech behind it, just get it.

You think we're not aware that people have died with Covid? This does not change my risk assesment.

I figured hearing a guy who thinks like you about this topic just died of it while thinking it was all bullshit like you do. I figured empathy might kick in a little? Some questioning if maybe the J&J is not that scary?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #96 on: August 05, 2021, 09:45:46 PM »
I'll speak to my own experience here. (Note: Minor details changed for privacy). During the lockdowns my mother died. She has had ongoing health issues for many years but was mobile, active, and mentally sharp. Last year she suffered a fall and my family put her in a care home. At the time her prognosis was good, and she was on the road to recovery. However, Covid lockdowns came into effect and she was completely isolated in a single room and not permitted to see any other residents or visitors.

During the lockdown you could tell the extended isolation was taking a toll on her. We would talk regularly but it was apparent that her mental well being was declining without the ability to go outside, talk, or see another person face to face. When we talked she told me she kept looking forward to a certain date when she'd be allowed to see people and move around freely again.

Eventually after weeks of isolation she suffered some kind of cardiac issue that led to her being taken to the hospital. However, after a brief diagnosis she was denied ongoing hospital care due to reserving space for Covid patients. She was returned to the care home and again put into a quarantine during which no visitors or family were permitted. She died after a month of being imprisoned in a room and not being permitted to see any of her loved ones. I have no doubt that if she were actually among people who cared for her, she would be alive today.

The fact of the matter is everyone dies. We must always make choices about how we live, because we don't have a choice about dying. I am absolutely certain my mother would not have chosen to die having been isolated into a sterile room, never being allowed to talk face to face with loved ones, hold their hands, hug them, or kiss them. This type of policy is cruel and violates human dignity and respect for the individual.

While I understand the desire to protect people, I find it alarming and reckless when we take dramatic actions that are not supported with available evidence, violate decades of established medical practice, and threaten to eliminate all freedom in society.
I have an experience that's similar in kind, though not in degree.

And I think it's a very important point, in general, beyond the specifics of any particular case. Survival and well-being among the elderly seems to be strongly tied to engagement. I know an elderly man who fought off a mugger -- I'm talking about a man in his late 70s rolling around on the ground with a man in his 20s, because he refused to give up his wallet -- and barring a few scratches and bruises, he was fine afterwards. But just 2 years later, his wife passed away, and despite being just as physically capable as he was when he fought off the mugger, he died within 3 months. His death was of natural causes, but the real reason was he gave up.

Covid-19 is removing those personal connections. Elderly people living in congregate care homes have been stuck in their rooms, and denied the socialization that keeps them engaged and alive. Elderly people living alone were in a much better position to avoid catching covid-19 -- but were in even worse shape, when it comes to socialization. I know a number who have markedly declined during this period, because there was nothing keeping them active and engaged; a Zoom or Duo meeting once or twice a week with their grandchildren isn't enough. One who recently moved halfway across the country to live with her son's family has improved in a lot of ways and her decline was arrested (remarkably, all her blood work miraculously improved), but it hasn't reversed the decline in mobility and self-sufficiency that occurred during the year of covid.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #97 on: August 05, 2021, 09:58:47 PM »
H. Scott Apley, who according to the Galveston News was a member of the Galveston County Republican Party and Dickinson City council, was 45 years old. No listed pre-existing conditions.

On Facebook last week he posted:

“In 6 months, we’ve gone from the vax ending the pandemic, to you can still get Covid even if vaxxed, to you can pass Covid onto others even if vaxxed, to you can still die of Covid even if vaxxed, to the unvaxxed are killing the vaxxed,” the post read.

Apley was admitted to a Galveston hospital two days after that post with pneumonia-like symptoms, according to a GoFundMe page. He tested positive for COVID-19 and was placed on a ventilator.

He died around 3 a.m. Wednesday, according to the GoFundMe.

His wife and 5-month-old son also tested positive for the virus, KTRK reported.

This could be any of you guys here saying exactly the same kind of stuff this guy posted last week. And now he's dead.

Please, get your vaccines guys. Even if it's just the J&J Vaccine which uses more "normal" tech behind it, just get it.
He was morbidly obese.  He may have died from Covid, or he may have died with Covid.  That has yet to be determined.  But don't let me slow down your grave-dancing.

BTW, would you like me to post a couple of dozen stories of people who have died of Covid after taking the vaccine?  They are out there.  But single stories aren't evidence of anything, other than lightning can strike sometimes...

Where are you getting he was morbidly obese? I've seen nothing verifying that anywhere.

I am not grave dancing. He has a little baby. This is horrible and nothing to be happy about. WTF is wrong with you?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #98 on: August 05, 2021, 10:02:53 PM »
Where are you getting he was morbidly obese? I've seen nothing verifying that anywhere.

10 seconds on google.

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You think we're not aware that people have died with Covid? This does not change my risk assesment.

I figured hearing a guy who thinks like you about this topic just died of it while thinking it was all bullshit like you do. I figured empathy might kick in a little? Some questioning if maybe the J&J is not that scary?

It doesn't sound like I agree with anything he said. You may be lumping all the posters here into one strawman.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #99 on: August 05, 2021, 10:13:19 PM »
And yes, those prophylactics are out of patent, and yes the pharmaceuticals have meda billions from their vaccines and will do yet more billions since you are supossed to have it every year.

It gets even better when you realize that, in the US, the FDA is not allowed to issue an Emergency Use Authorization if there is an approved therapeutic available...

It would have been awful if the FDA would have approved any of those prophylactics for use...I mean that means we would have to wait for full approval before using the shots.  Imagine how sad all the pharmaceutical companies would have been if they had to wait to help everyone out...  :'(

Now maybe I am misunderstanding something since I am not a health care professional...but if I am wrong, I am sure someone with expertise will step forward and tell us.

...because I wouldn't want to spread misinformation.
I'm not fluent enough in FDA bureaucratese to know one way or the other, but that sounds both plausible... and dubious. Do you or anyone else have a solid source for that?

Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines to Prevent COVID-19
Guidance for Industry

https://www.fda.gov/media/142749/download

Page 3, bullet point 4
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #100 on: August 05, 2021, 10:14:10 PM »
I figured hearing a guy who thinks like you about this topic just died of it while thinking it was all bullshit like you do. I figured empathy might kick in a little? Some questioning if maybe the J&J is not that scary?
Bullshit.  You couldn't care less about this guy.  The only reason you even know about him is that you think he proves some political point.  You have no idea how either Apley or Ratman "think" about this issue (especially since you are relying on news reports and social media for Apley's opinions).  The fact that you think this has anything to do with peoples' vaccine hesitancy shows you are clueless about how they think.  Honestly, this kind of post just proves you are moral navel-lint...

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #101 on: August 05, 2021, 10:37:06 PM »
And yes, those prophylactics are out of patent, and yes the pharmaceuticals have meda billions from their vaccines and will do yet more billions since you are supossed to have it every year.

It gets even better when you realize that, in the US, the FDA is not allowed to issue an Emergency Use Authorization if there is an approved therapeutic available...

It would have been awful if the FDA would have approved any of those prophylactics for use...I mean that means we would have to wait for full approval before using the shots.  Imagine how sad all the pharmaceutical companies would have been if they had to wait to help everyone out...  :'(

Now maybe I am misunderstanding something since I am not a health care professional...but if I am wrong, I am sure someone with expertise will step forward and tell us.

...because I wouldn't want to spread misinformation.
I'm not fluent enough in FDA bureaucratese to know one way or the other, but that sounds both plausible... and dubious. Do you or anyone else have a solid source for that?

Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines to Prevent COVID-19
Guidance for Industry

https://www.fda.gov/media/142749/download

Page 3, bullet point 4
Good link, but not what I was referring to. That just says no alternative. This isn't a situation where the plain wording is relevant, it's about how it's interpreted. Is a vax the same as a prophylactic? That requires some legal/regulatory/medical assessment. I'd like to hear someone familiar with similar cases in the pharma industry talk about how it applies to the covid-19 vaxxes.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #102 on: August 05, 2021, 10:41:59 PM »
Please, get your vaccines guys.

My dad was vaccinated, still got sick. Don't know if it helped or not.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #103 on: August 05, 2021, 11:10:20 PM »
And yes, those prophylactics are out of patent, and yes the pharmaceuticals have meda billions from their vaccines and will do yet more billions since you are supossed to have it every year.

It gets even better when you realize that, in the US, the FDA is not allowed to issue an Emergency Use Authorization if there is an approved therapeutic available...

It would have been awful if the FDA would have approved any of those prophylactics for use...I mean that means we would have to wait for full approval before using the shots.  Imagine how sad all the pharmaceutical companies would have been if they had to wait to help everyone out...  :'(

Now maybe I am misunderstanding something since I am not a health care professional...but if I am wrong, I am sure someone with expertise will step forward and tell us.

...because I wouldn't want to spread misinformation.
I'm not fluent enough in FDA bureaucratese to know one way or the other, but that sounds both plausible... and dubious. Do you or anyone else have a solid source for that?

Emergency Use Authorization for Vaccines to Prevent COVID-19
Guidance for Industry

https://www.fda.gov/media/142749/download

Page 3, bullet point 4
Good link, but not what I was referring to. That just says no alternative. This isn't a situation where the plain wording is relevant, it's about how it's interpreted. Is a vax the same as a prophylactic? That requires some legal/regulatory/medical assessment. I'd like to hear someone familiar with similar cases in the pharma industry talk about how it applies to the covid-19 vaxxes.

The heading for that section...emphasis mine

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On the basis of such determination,
on March 27, 2020, the Secretary then declared that circumstances exist justifying the authorization
of emergency use of drugs and biological products during the COVID-19 pandemic, pursuant to
section 564(b)(1) of the FD&C Act (21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(b)(1)).

Looks to me like they are not differentiating between the two...

And considering how much money, power, and control is on the table...no way do I trust anything other than a straight interpretation.

Remember the study that came out back in January saying the HCQ cocktail seems to work, yet still no authorization...Its been around for 70 years or so.  In most places outside the US it was an OTC med, but here Drs still have to prescribe it 'Off Label' for Covid...I'm gonna go with plain reading and it being a CYA for the pharma companies/government.
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« Reply #104 on: August 05, 2021, 11:16:22 PM »
And considering how much money, power, and control is on the table...no way do I trust anything other than a straight interpretation.
I think precedent is more important. Is this how it's normally interpreted, or is this exceptional?