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Author Topic: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!  (Read 21811 times)

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Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« on: August 02, 2021, 11:31:32 PM »
Residents in San Diego, California (nominally still part of the USA) happily sign a petition to IMPRISON anyone who refuses the Chyna Virus jab.



Red State Secession anyone?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2021, 10:18:34 AM »
Matt Yglesias (a so-called 'journalist') opined on Twitter that people needed to be held down and forcibly vaccinated.



He later wiped his Twitter feed, presumably because someone threatened to feed him his own guts.

Autonomy? 'My body, my choice'? Dead. Well done.

But hey, no more mean tweets.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2021, 11:12:49 AM »
This shit makes me... not wish that the vaccines turn out to have serious side effects.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijcp.13795

But goddamn does the vile thought run through my head when these assholes want to ram their mindless decision down other people's throats.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2021, 11:44:44 AM »
Residents in San Diego, California (nominally still part of the USA) happily sign a petition to IMPRISON anyone who refuses the Chyna Virus jab.

Hahahah that's not going to happen! What's probably going to happen is something similar to that Obama Care rule, if you can afford health insurance and chooses not to, than you'd be paying a little extra on your taxes. Giving these tweets the benefit of a doubt only feeds the paranoid and increases the divide. We got enough misinformation as it is, and that's just silly.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2021, 01:29:30 PM »
Residents in San Diego, California (nominally still part of the USA) happily sign a petition to IMPRISON anyone who refuses the Chyna Virus jab.

Hahahah that's not going to happen! What's probably going to happen is something similar to that Obama Care rule, if you can afford health insurance and chooses not to, than you'd be paying a little extra on your taxes. Giving these tweets the benefit of a doubt only feeds the paranoid and increases the divide. We got enough misinformation as it is, and that's just silly.
You know the mandate got overturned, right?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2021, 01:52:29 PM »
Residents in San Diego, California (nominally still part of the USA) happily sign a petition to IMPRISON anyone who refuses the Chyna Virus jab.



Red State Secession anyone?

I guess that "Red State Secession" would be interpreted as "Fuck yeah! Kick away all those Communist States!" causing a very confused secession.

To be clear, here we have another example of "random sample of Americans" and their understanding of maps 😂:


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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2021, 05:09:24 PM »
You could sue California for some sweet sweet money if they started doing that.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2021, 09:51:58 PM »
The vaccinations aren't even FDA approved, for crying out loud.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2021, 07:00:22 AM »
The vaccinations aren't even FDA approved, for crying out loud.

Nor is the COVID for what matters. Are you even aware of how an influenza virus works?
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2021, 11:00:51 AM »
It was sold as a 100% slamdunk cure. Now its a 'aid' for when you do get infected anyway. This whole thing is sketchy as hell.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2021, 12:06:57 PM »
It was sold as a 100% slamdunk cure. Now its a 'aid' for when you do get infected anyway. This whole thing is sketchy as hell.
I've said it before, but I think public health's biggest failure during the pandemic was messaging. Their primary goal should have been to share information. Unvarnished information, with all the warts, including those nasty uncertainty bars. It's fine if the science changes[1].

But rather than being purely information-oriented, they seem to have been mostly goal oriented, primarily aimed at changing people's behaviors. Even when they don't lie (and they eventually do lie; it's a natural consequence of this approach), they often convey a higher degree of certainty than is merited, because "this is absolutely effective" makes a more compelling case for action than "here are the caveats".

The problem is that's short-term thinking. Yes, pretending the world is ending unless you do X is a great way to convince people do X -- but only the first time. The second time, people will start to be more skeptical, and it will just get worse from there. It's the boy who cries wolf problem. It creates a vicious cycle where they have to keep upping the rhetoric, and the truth becomes more and more of a casualty.

If they saw their mission as simply conveying information, and relying on people to make the best choices on their own, things would have been very different. In that case, they would have built a lot of credibility. Being uncertain may discourage people in the short term, but in the long term, when they see how the science changes[1], they'll come to appreciate that they weren't sold a bunch of absolutes. People will develop trust in the information presented, and end up making better decisions.

Ironically, public health would probably have been able to accomplish more of their long term goals by not focusing on those goals, and just being honest about what they know and don't know instead.

[1] It's really weird that it's become the norm to refer to "science" as this monolithic thing, instead of saying something like "a new study came out".
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2021, 12:16:29 PM »
It was sold as a 100% slamdunk cure. Now its a 'aid' for when you do get infected anyway. This whole thing is sketchy as hell.
I've said it before, but I think public health's biggest failure during the pandemic was messaging. Their primary goal should have been to share information. Unvarnished information, with all the warts, including those nasty uncertainty bars. It's fine if the science changes[1].

But rather than being purely information-oriented, they seem to have been mostly goal oriented, primarily aimed at changing people's behaviors. Even when they don't lie (and they eventually do lie; it's a natural consequence of this approach), they often convey a higher degree of certainty than is merited, because "this is absolutely effective" makes a more compelling case for action than "here are the caveats".

The problem is that's short-term thinking. Yes, pretending the world is ending unless you do X is a great way to convince people do X -- but only the first time. The second time, people will start to be more skeptical, and it will just get worse from there. It's the boy who cries wolf problem. It creates a vicious cycle where they have to keep upping the rhetoric, and the truth becomes more and more of a casualty.

If they saw their mission as simply conveying information, and relying on people to make the best choices on their own, things would have been very different. In that case, they would have built a lot of credibility. Being uncertain may discourage people in the short term, but in the long term, when they see how the science changes[1], they'll come to appreciate that they weren't sold a bunch of absolutes. People will develop trust in the information presented, and end up making better decisions.

Ironically, public health would probably have been able to accomplish more of their long term goals by not focusing on those goals, and just being honest about what they know and don't know instead.

[1] It's really weird that it's become the norm to refer to "science" as this monolithic thing, instead of saying something like "a new study came out".
Well, that's because the goal isn't "public health" (which is a nonsense phrase, anyway, as health is a feature of individuals).  It's control.  The people who are on TV making these pronouncements aren't doctors (despite the fact that they have Ph.Ds in medicine) or scientists; they are career bureaucrats.  I've seen as many patients in the last 20 years as Anthony Fauci (hint: it's zero).  So their number one goal is to make you do what they want.  Your actual health is secondary, at best...

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2021, 12:18:09 PM »
I've said it before, but I think public health's biggest failure during the pandemic was messaging. Their primary goal should have been to share information. Unvarnished information, with all the warts, including those nasty uncertainty bars. It's fine if the science changes[1].
Im also concerned about this having backroom deal politics involved. Where companies market their cures as a slam-dunk to get the pay and the credit. And politicians don't want to market 'Yeah we are largely fucked for a while, stay put while we figure it out', they want to say 'I got a slam dunk solution!'. Lies may have not just been for peoples security, but for money and prestige.

Now that the lie is coming out, this now has credibility on the line. Why should we be buying tons of this expensive vaccine if its effectiveness is a MAYBE.

My father got infected despite taking the vaxine. In theory it made recovery better. But I find the whole thing in question now.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2021, 12:40:30 PM »
I've said it before, but I think public health's biggest failure during the pandemic was messaging. Their primary goal should have been to share information. Unvarnished information, with all the warts, including those nasty uncertainty bars. It's fine if the science changes[1].
Im also concerned about this having backroom deal politics involved. Where companies market their cures as a slam-dunk to get the pay and the credit. And politicians don't want to market 'Yeah we are largely fucked for a while, stay put while we figure it out', they want to say 'I got a slam dunk solution!'. Lies may have not just been for peoples security, but for money and prestige.

Now that the lie is coming out, this now has credibility on the line. Why should we be buying tons of this expensive vaccine if its effectiveness is a MAYBE.

My father got infected despite taking the vaxine. In theory it made recovery better. But I find the whole thing in question now.
Have you seen the contracts that Pfizer had countries sign? They're absurd. 10 to 30 year blackout period where the details of the contract can't be shared, complete assumption of all liability by the government, guarantee of payment under almost all possible circumstances... they were ridiculously one sided. There's a lot of money flowing, and while there's no smoking gun yet, it sure smells like corruption.

The vaccines do work fairly well. But they tend to mitigate the worst effects, rather than making you immune. They're less effective than natural immunity. And the efficacy ratings are highly deceptive. They also have some significant side effects. Though they're less dangerous than the disease overall, especially for high risk populations like the elderly. But for low risk populations, like children, that calculus changes. And we don't know about long term complications. In other words, it's complicated. Public health should never have pretended otherwise.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2021, 01:34:53 PM »
[1] It's really weird that it's become the norm to refer to "science" as this monolithic thing, instead of saying something like "a new study came out".

The problem is not "referring to science" by itself. Science is not monolithic: it learns, changes and evolves everyday. There is a reason as why they had propeller planes in WWII and we have jets today.

Planes, however, tend to stay up. When an airplane falls - and it is very rare - there is an investigation. Usually they find that the cause is a flaw, some sort of human error or even a freakish accident. They do their best to fix it and planes continue to stay up.

How virii act is very well known. In one hour any eight grader can learn the basics of virology. It is that simple.

Today, however, those who believe in "science" are derided. Fine. What the alternative is, so?

Hearsay?
What your favourite politician says?
Folk remedies?
Voodoo?

Even worse, some people grasp a single concept, with no context, and speak from it like if it is the absolute truth.

"Only I decide what enters in my body and when!!" Fine. Are you aware that you just justified DUIing? I don't think so. Seldom these kind of people think things through.

"Masks = Fascism!!" So is the mandatory use of helmets in heavy industries and other work activities, I guess.

"I don't want no shitty vaccine DNA!!" Then you will possibly get COVID DNA. Me? Given a choice I'll go for the vaccine but if you like COVID more feel free to embrace the alternative. I don't think, however, that these people ever reached eight grade - not mentally at least - and thus they lack the awareness that your cells are invaded by foreign DNA every day. In unlucky times it will be the Spanish Flu or the COVID, but the idea "No vaccine = no shitty DNA in my cells!!" is the very definition of delusionary.

"Dr. Fauci is wrong!! A doctor said that!!" A whole doctor? Wow! :o

And so on. A concept is expressed, but no solution is given. Ironically, by grasping "the infinite truth!" via refusing any context - all of this while attacking and laughing about those who disagree - these people are not different from SJW and wokes. They are actually the same, only the specifics of the "religion" are different.
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