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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #720 on: October 08, 2021, 11:17:33 PM »
Making a shitty Facebook post: Jail-worthy. Free Speech be Damned.

How does this meaningfully differ from falsely yelling fire in a crowded theater to you? The jury found his posts were "knowingly designed to spread fear and panic" and that it was intended as a direct threat to people's safety. I mean, you guys not believing in the threat of Covid is meaningless - he knew his audience did believe in that threat. It's like if you thought a gun was unloaded and didn't fear that gun being pointed at you but other people reasonably thought the gun was loaded and would fear it being pointed at them. It wasn't some prank or a joke - he really did intend to cause a panic over this. That's what the jury found.
Yelling fire in a crowded theater is a paraphrase of Oliver Wendell Holmes. Specifically, he used it in support of the conviction of a man for peacefully speaking out against the draft. It's a notorious violation of civil rights. And not only was the phrase just a rhetorical flourish and never a legally binding standard of any kind, but key elements of the decision were overturned in 1969, so the case isn't even a precedent.

So you're attempting to defend repression with a past example of repression that holds no legal force and is widely considered to be one of the dark moments of American history.

Pat it's a legit example of what would be real criminal speech. It was used in law school by professors as a clear easy example of a line you can draw with speech. But you as usual instinctively gadfly it while continuing to not even talk about the issue inherent in the topic.

DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE OK TO FALSELY YELL FIRE IN A CROWDED THEATER KNOWING IT WOULD CAUSE AN ACTUAL PANIC? It's a simply yes or know question which has fuck all to do with anything you just said.
Do you support jailing people for speaking up against the draft? It's a simple yes or no question.

No I do not. Now, do you think it would be OK to falsely yell fire in a crowded theater knowing it would cause an actual panic?
It's a garbage question because answering it requires being able to predict the future, "OK" is a meaningless standard, and on top of that the only reason you asked it was making it a garbage question, not to mention that the only reason you brought it up was to distract attention away from your support of totalitarian repression.

So you asked me a yes or no question with no nuance and I gave you a direct answer. I asked you the same kind of question and you throw a fucking tissy fit and take your ball and go home without answering. Gotcha.

When I say you have been behaving like a shithead lately, consider this a clear example of that bad behavior. You're basically saying the golden rule is one way - you do not hold yourself to the standard you hold me to.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #721 on: October 08, 2021, 11:29:24 PM »
So you asked me a yes or no question with no nuance and I gave you a direct answer. I asked you the same kind of question and you throw a fucking tissy fit and take your ball and go home without answering. Gotcha.

When I say you have been behaving like a shithead lately, consider this a clear example of that bad behavior. You're basically saying the golden rule is one way - you do not hold yourself to the standard you hold me to.
It's an irrelevant question. You're just trying to distract from the real issue. I replied in kind to demonstrate that to you, and now you're playing dumb as another distraction, along with pretending you're injured as an excuse to call me names again. That's asshole behavior. You're behaving like an asshole.

Who supports totalitarian repression. Which is vile.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #722 on: October 09, 2021, 10:01:49 PM »
So you asked me a yes or no question with no nuance and I gave you a direct answer. I asked you the same kind of question and you throw a fucking tissy fit and take your ball and go home without answering. Gotcha.

When I say you have been behaving like a shithead lately, consider this a clear example of that bad behavior. You're basically saying the golden rule is one way - you do not hold yourself to the standard you hold me to.
It's an irrelevant question.

It doesn't matter what your opinion of the question might be, it's a matter of reciprocity. You asked a question I found deeply irrelevant as well - so did you, since you did NOTHING with my answer and appear to have had no point to asking it. But I answered it anyway in good faith, because you asked and stated clearly you wanted a yes or no response and I gave it to you, because maybe you had a point you were getting to and I gave you the room to make that point if that was the direction you wanted to go.

You don't hold yourself to that same standard. It's you just being an asshole. This doesn't appear to be a conversation to you right now. There is no give and take. You're in all-take mode right now. You are not tolerant of any dissent from your view lately. It's either people agree with you or you go all-aggressive all the time. I am not the only one who has pointed it out. I get that's the theme of this section of the message board, but I am pointing it out to you because this is not who you normally were around here. You're not Kiero. Or at least you were not before.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #723 on: October 09, 2021, 10:30:00 PM »
So you asked me a yes or no question with no nuance and I gave you a direct answer. I asked you the same kind of question and you throw a fucking tissy fit and take your ball and go home without answering. Gotcha.

When I say you have been behaving like a shithead lately, consider this a clear example of that bad behavior. You're basically saying the golden rule is one way - you do not hold yourself to the standard you hold me to.
It's an irrelevant question.

It doesn't matter what your opinion of the question might be, it's a matter of reciprocity. You asked a question I found deeply irrelevant as well - so did you, since you did NOTHING with my answer and appear to have had no point to asking it. But I answered it anyway in good faith, because you asked and stated clearly you wanted a yes or no response and I gave it to you, because maybe you had a point you were getting to and I gave you the room to make that point if that was the direction you wanted to go.

You don't hold yourself to that same standard. It's you just being an asshole. This doesn't appear to be a conversation to you right now. There is no give and take. You're in all-take mode right now. You are not tolerant of any dissent from your view lately. It's either people agree with you or you go all-aggressive all the time. I am not the only one who has pointed it out. I get that's the theme of this section of the message board, but I am pointing it out to you because this is not who you normally were around here. You're not Kiero. Or at least you were not before.
... and you completely ignored what I said.

As I just explained, I asked a patently irrelevant question to show you, by example, what it felt like having someone ask an utterly irrelevant question that has nothing to do with the topic. You weren't supposed to answer it. It's completely absurd that you answered it. And you clearly only answered it so you can pretend you're offended.

That's ridiculous. It's like hearing the start of a knock knock joke, and acting outraged because there's nobody at the door.

Though you're right, this isn't a conversation. It's just you repeatedly insulting me, even when you have to resort to the weakest of all possible premises.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #724 on: October 10, 2021, 01:19:58 AM »
Pat, don’t you know? Ad Hominen is trending right now.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #725 on: October 29, 2021, 03:18:14 PM »
So when you brain-dead lemmings are on your fourth or fifth jab next year, and I've still had none and I'm still in perfect health, might you start to wonder if you've been conned?
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #726 on: October 29, 2021, 03:34:30 PM »
So when you brain-dead lemmings are on your fourth or fifth jab next year, and I've still had none and I'm still in perfect health, might you start to wonder if you've been conned?
You do nothing but lie, so why would anyone believe that you haven't been vaccinated or that you are in perfect health?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #727 on: October 29, 2021, 03:38:06 PM »
So when you brain-dead lemmings are on your fourth or fifth jab next year, and I've still had none and I'm still in perfect health, might you start to wonder if you've been conned?
You do nothing but lie, so why would anyone believe that you haven't been vaccinated or that you are in perfect health?
You know he been jabbed…
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #728 on: October 29, 2021, 04:21:16 PM »
You do nothing but lie, so why would anyone believe that you haven't been vaccinated or that you are in perfect health?

Bless, the only way you can accept what I've said is assuming I must be lying. I've been invited repeatedly, and ignored them.

Anyway, some of you pincushions might not be here next year (because of >rare reactions to your boosters), so we'll see.

You know he been jabbed…

Just because you're a dumbass who likes being told what to do, don't assume everyone else is.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #729 on: October 29, 2021, 04:33:23 PM »
So you asked me a yes or no question with no nuance and I gave you a direct answer. I asked you the same kind of question and you throw a fucking tissy fit and take your ball and go home without answering. Gotcha.

When I say you have been behaving like a shithead lately, consider this a clear example of that bad behavior. You're basically saying the golden rule is one way - you do not hold yourself to the standard you hold me to.
It's an irrelevant question.

It doesn't matter what your opinion of the question might be, it's a matter of reciprocity. You asked a question I found deeply irrelevant as well - so did you, since you did NOTHING with my answer and appear to have had no point to asking it. But I answered it anyway in good faith, because you asked and stated clearly you wanted a yes or no response and I gave it to you, because maybe you had a point you were getting to and I gave you the room to make that point if that was the direction you wanted to go.

You don't hold yourself to that same standard. It's you just being an asshole. This doesn't appear to be a conversation to you right now. There is no give and take. You're in all-take mode right now. You are not tolerant of any dissent from your view lately. It's either people agree with you or you go all-aggressive all the time. I am not the only one who has pointed it out. I get that's the theme of this section of the message board, but I am pointing it out to you because this is not who you normally were around here. You're not Kiero. Or at least you were not before.
... and you completely ignored what I said.

As I just explained, I asked a patently irrelevant question to show you, by example, what it felt like having someone ask an utterly irrelevant question that has nothing to do with the topic. You weren't supposed to answer it. It's completely absurd that you answered it. And you clearly only answered it so you can pretend you're offended.

That's ridiculous. It's like hearing the start of a knock knock joke, and acting outraged because there's nobody at the door.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #730 on: November 06, 2021, 12:43:24 AM »
I've already refused the vax. I have natural immunity.

If they imprison me, they will only make me more powerful than they can know.

(in truth my team handles all the medical and financial data of our regions primary medical research facility which includes Covid. If any of us go to jail over this - people will definitely die, since we supply day-to-day needs of surgeons, doctors and clinical staff.)

But I'm in TX, thankfully our Governor is flipping the finger at Biden. My facility is the largest medical research hospital in Dallas and we're bursting at the seams with (as of 11:38PM tonight) NINE whole cases of Covid in our multi-thousand beds across six hospitals. 7 are non-ICU.

Our nineteen thousand clinical staff that deals directly with Covid patients in research and care, have totaled only 30 cases in the last month and a half. There are ZERO people scheduled for testing tomorrow - in a city of well over a million people, at a centrally located super-facility.

The fear-mongering by people on the left on behalf of the authoritarians is more scary than Covid itself.

« Last Edit: November 06, 2021, 12:45:08 AM by tenbones »

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #731 on: November 06, 2021, 10:14:16 AM »
I've already refused the vax. I have natural immunity.

If they imprison me, they will only make me more powerful than they can know.

(in truth my team handles all the medical and financial data of our regions primary medical research facility which includes Covid. If any of us go to jail over this - people will definitely die, since we supply day-to-day needs of surgeons, doctors and clinical staff.)

But I'm in TX, thankfully our Governor is flipping the finger at Biden. My facility is the largest medical research hospital in Dallas and we're bursting at the seams with (as of 11:38PM tonight) NINE whole cases of Covid in our multi-thousand beds across six hospitals. 7 are non-ICU.

Our nineteen thousand clinical staff that deals directly with Covid patients in research and care, have totaled only 30 cases in the last month and a half. There are ZERO people scheduled for testing tomorrow - in a city of well over a million people, at a centrally located super-facility.

The fear-mongering by people on the left on behalf of the authoritarians is more scary than Covid itself.

We've gotten to this point because we elected the stupid and immoral to run our governments, hired the mediocre to be the day-to-day government bureaucrats, and accepted the incompetent to advise them.  What else could we have expected when those in positions of authority are relying upon expert advice from scientific bureaucrats who've never been involved in stopping actual epidemics, backed up by academics whose models have never been correct?

Additionally, none of them understand instinctual human behavior which will have people self segregate when dealing with everyone around them getting sick - without mandates of any kind.  It also doesn't help that humans have a terrible ability to assess risk except to themselves.

I'm 50, fat, and have high blood pressure.  For me, getting vaxed was a more acceptable risk than getting covid.  I still got covid. I still had to have monoclonal antibodies.  As did my wife.  Both of our kids also got covid at the same time as us but were unvaxed.  They're healthy teen athletes with excellent cardiovascular health.  Their symptoms were congestion and a slight fever for a day or 2.

I don't need a bureaucrat telling me my kids need a vaccine when they obviously didn't.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #732 on: November 06, 2021, 10:18:31 AM »
I've already refused the vax. I have natural immunity.

If they imprison me, they will only make me more powerful than they can know.

(in truth my team handles all the medical and financial data of our regions primary medical research facility which includes Covid. If any of us go to jail over this - people will definitely die, since we supply day-to-day needs of surgeons, doctors and clinical staff.)

But I'm in TX, thankfully our Governor is flipping the finger at Biden. My facility is the largest medical research hospital in Dallas and we're bursting at the seams with (as of 11:38PM tonight) NINE whole cases of Covid in our multi-thousand beds across six hospitals. 7 are non-ICU.

Our nineteen thousand clinical staff that deals directly with Covid patients in research and care, have totaled only 30 cases in the last month and a half. There are ZERO people scheduled for testing tomorrow - in a city of well over a million people, at a centrally located super-facility.

The fear-mongering by people on the left on behalf of the authoritarians is more scary than Covid itself.

We've gotten to this point because we elected the stupid and immoral to run our governments, hired the mediocre to be the day-to-day government bureaucrats, and accepted the incompetent to advise them.  What else could we have expected when those in positions of authority are relying upon expert advice from scientific bureaucrats who've never been involved in stopping actual epidemics, backed up by academics whose models have never been correct?

Additionally, none of them understand instinctual human behavior which will have people self segregate when dealing with everyone around them getting sick - without mandates of any kind.  It also doesn't help that humans have a terrible ability to assess risk except to themselves.

I'm 50, fat, and have high blood pressure.  For me, getting vaxed was a more acceptable risk than getting covid.  I still got covid. I still had to have monoclonal antibodies.  As did my wife.  Both of our kids also got covid at the same time as us but were unvaxed.  They're healthy teen athletes with excellent cardiovascular health.  Their symptoms were congestion and a slight fever for a day or 2.

I don't need a bureaucrat telling me my kids need a vaccine when they obviously didn't.

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But your unvaccinated kids are literally killing grannies.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #733 on: November 06, 2021, 10:31:39 AM »
I've already refused the vax. I have natural immunity.

If they imprison me, they will only make me more powerful than they can know.

(in truth my team handles all the medical and financial data of our regions primary medical research facility which includes Covid. If any of us go to jail over this - people will definitely die, since we supply day-to-day needs of surgeons, doctors and clinical staff.)

But I'm in TX, thankfully our Governor is flipping the finger at Biden. My facility is the largest medical research hospital in Dallas and we're bursting at the seams with (as of 11:38PM tonight) NINE whole cases of Covid in our multi-thousand beds across six hospitals. 7 are non-ICU.

Our nineteen thousand clinical staff that deals directly with Covid patients in research and care, have totaled only 30 cases in the last month and a half. There are ZERO people scheduled for testing tomorrow - in a city of well over a million people, at a centrally located super-facility.

The fear-mongering by people on the left on behalf of the authoritarians is more scary than Covid itself.

We've gotten to this point because we elected the stupid and immoral to run our governments, hired the mediocre to be the day-to-day government bureaucrats, and accepted the incompetent to advise them.  What else could we have expected when those in positions of authority are relying upon expert advice from scientific bureaucrats who've never been involved in stopping actual epidemics, backed up by academics whose models have never been correct?

Additionally, none of them understand instinctual human behavior which will have people self segregate when dealing with everyone around them getting sick - without mandates of any kind.  It also doesn't help that humans have a terrible ability to assess risk except to themselves.

I'm 50, fat, and have high blood pressure.  For me, getting vaxed was a more acceptable risk than getting covid.  I still got covid. I still had to have monoclonal antibodies.  As did my wife.  Both of our kids also got covid at the same time as us but were unvaxed.  They're healthy teen athletes with excellent cardiovascular health.  Their symptoms were congestion and a slight fever for a day or 2.

I don't need a bureaucrat telling me my kids need a vaccine when they obviously didn't.

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But your unvaccinated kids are literally killing grannies.
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Which goes back to the basic observation that "the experts" refuse to address - if granny is vaccinated, why do you care if grandkids are unvaccinated?  Oh, you mean it doesn't *actually* 100% prevent everyone who is vaccinated from being infected and developing symptoms?!?!  Why weren't you vocal about it for flu, measles, or pertussis which also aren't 100%?!?!  Or did you mean that COVID vax are like vaccines used by vets that are non-sterilizing (like the kennel cough vax our dog gets and she can't go to doggie camp for 2 weeks afterwards so she doesn't infect there other dogs)...
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #734 on: November 06, 2021, 12:09:07 PM »
I've already refused the vax. I have natural immunity.

If they imprison me, they will only make me more powerful than they can know.

(in truth my team handles all the medical and financial data of our regions primary medical research facility which includes Covid. If any of us go to jail over this - people will definitely die, since we supply day-to-day needs of surgeons, doctors and clinical staff.)

But I'm in TX, thankfully our Governor is flipping the finger at Biden. My facility is the largest medical research hospital in Dallas and we're bursting at the seams with (as of 11:38PM tonight) NINE whole cases of Covid in our multi-thousand beds across six hospitals. 7 are non-ICU.

Our nineteen thousand clinical staff that deals directly with Covid patients in research and care, have totaled only 30 cases in the last month and a half. There are ZERO people scheduled for testing tomorrow - in a city of well over a million people, at a centrally located super-facility.

The fear-mongering by people on the left on behalf of the authoritarians is more scary than Covid itself.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-do-vaccines-protect-better-than-infection-induced-immunity#The-study-method

I can save you the click and having read it I can say: They do.