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Kiero:

--- Quote from: Pat on October 08, 2021, 06:52:03 AM ---Once we saw widespread community transmission, covid-19 was always going to become endemic. Like all the other background diseases, there will be periodic or seasonal flareups, as immunity wanes and conditions allow it to spread more widely again. And we had plenty of variants and mutations before the vaccines arrived.

https://www.cbrc.kaust.edu.sa/covmt/

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Coronaviruses are already endemic, which is why many people already had prior immunity that offered some protection even from last year's strain.

I'd have to go and find the chart showing the mutations, which have proliferated at a much faster than usual rate since the jabbing programmes began.

Pat:

--- Quote from: Kiero on October 08, 2021, 06:58:22 AM ---
--- Quote from: Pat on October 08, 2021, 06:52:03 AM ---Once we saw widespread community transmission, covid-19 was always going to become endemic. Like all the other background diseases, there will be periodic or seasonal flareups, as immunity wanes and conditions allow it to spread more widely again. And we had plenty of variants and mutations before the vaccines arrived.

https://www.cbrc.kaust.edu.sa/covmt/

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Coronaviruses are already endemic, which is why many people already had prior immunity that offered some protection even from last year's strain.

I'd have to go and find the chart showing the mutations, which have proliferated at a much faster than usual rate since the jabbing programmes began.

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Coronaviruses are a whole family of viruses. That's like saying tigers aren't dangerous because housecats are everywhere. And cross-immunity to the new coronavirus is based on specific similar diseases like SARS1, not coronaviruses in general.

And why don't you find that chart? It could be interesting.

Kiero:

--- Quote from: Pat on October 08, 2021, 07:27:48 AM ---Coronaviruses are a whole family of viruses. That's like saying tigers aren't dangerous because housecats are everywhere. And cross-immunity to the new coronavirus is based on specific similar diseases like SARS1, not coronaviruses in general.

And why don't you find that chart? It could be interesting.

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It's more like saying feral cats aren't dangerous because housecats are everywhere, but the point still stands that cross-immunity exists.

It came from Nextstrain:

Thus

Also discussed at 02:11:00 here. As I keep saying, vaccines cause the variants through selective evolutionary pressure. It isn't the unjabbed who need to worry, it's the jabbed who've been primed for a selective kind of "immunity".

DocJones:

--- Quote from: Mistwell on October 07, 2021, 09:02:03 PM ---DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE OK TO FALSELY YELL FIRE IN A CROWDED THEATER KNOWING IT WOULD CAUSE AN ACTUAL PANIC? It's a simply yes or know question which has fuck all to do with anything you just said.

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Today that question isn't so simple.  It's an equity calculation based on the races, sexes and sexual orientations of the participants.
For example: If the yeller is a BIPOC and the crowd is made up of hetero white male oppressors (aka notsees) then no charges will even be brought.
/sarc
 

Zelen:

--- Quote from: Mistwell on October 07, 2021, 09:10:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: DocJones on October 07, 2021, 07:20:44 PM ---Interesting new study.
Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States
Also how do you square the notion that we had ~375K deaths in all of 2020 before vaccinations were available but have ~325K so far in 2021 after the vaccinations were available.

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Because Delta variant is far more infectious, and it spread faster. Because that's how pandemics happen - they get worse over time. I really don't know how people don't get that it would have been much worse but-for the vaccine.

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When we are presented with evidence ("More people are getting sick and dying this year than last year") we cannot immediately jump to the conclusion ("We just need to do the stuff we tried that didn't work, but more!"). That is irrational. And to be fair, I do think injections are generally a good idea for at-risk populations, but I don't think they are an one-size-fits-all approach.

A policy of honesty and openness, in which we given the option alongside early treatments such as HCQ & Ivermectin, would almost certainly have saved more lives and developed robust herd immunity as we have seen in Sweden, India, etc.

Instead we have a policy of deceit and blame, stoking divisions and creating distrust. We have closed off discussion about early treatment topics known to be extremely effective, and are now punishing people who object, and creating huge negative externalities of suicide, depression, cancer risk, and more. All of which is driven by gullible people who have been deceived into playing evangelist for corrupt profit-seeking corporations.

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