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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #60 on: August 05, 2021, 09:45:57 AM »
HappyDerp, continuing to pretend that Andrew Cuomo didn't kill 15,000+ New Yorkers with his policies.

Until Cuomo's doing a perp walk, I don't want to hear shit about anyone else, bitches.
I haven't said shit on Coumo, neither for or against. I don't live in NY. He's not my governor. Fuck off now.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #61 on: August 05, 2021, 09:54:08 AM »
Also, notice how the "indistinct future" is the last ditch refuge of noVaxxers: "I don't know if the vaccines will have unforeseen consequences..." I'll think about that bridge when (and if) I get to it. Right now I have to think about a very scary and clear present.

Maybe some of us who are questioning the experimental, EUA only, shots aren't very scared and question why some people are going out of their way to muddy the situation. 

- for example (in the US)....
scary new 'delta' variant, huge spike in cases, weekly death rates almost unchanged
no flu deaths last season, FDA pulls PCR test which can't discern between flu/covid,
'breakthrough' cases only counted if person with shot is actually hospitalized'...


And I'm still waiting for an answer to my basic question, a question I see being avoided everywhere I post it: 4% of World population, 25% of the dead by COVID. How could this happen?


- Last but not least, we have the usual, very basic factoid: These "Kung-flu" guys come from "the bestest country in the World in everythingest!!!!11", they still managed to have 25% of the World deaths with only 4% of the population, and they are still lecturing?? America, right now, is The Shining City On A Hill About What Not To Do During A Pandemic. Climb down from your high horse, fix your country, exercise some self-criticism and leave alone countries who did better than you.

And?

Once the virus reached the US, no matter if from Dr. Evil's Fortress or from a Color Out of Space, how did the US screw up so spectacularly?

But, as I wrote, I never get a direct answer to this question - here being only an example. What I get instead are lectures from these people about the best way to tackle it. ::)

Maybe because the US death total is around 14% of the total not 25%.... (and that is assuming China is telling the truth)
Maybe because we have had similar results to the EU meaning there hasn't been much difference on either side of the pond....

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home

People might take you seriously if you dialed back the hyperbole and actually examined the questions some of us have raised about the pandemic, the shots, and why information is being suppressed.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2021, 09:55:57 AM by moonsweeper »
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #62 on: August 05, 2021, 12:01:30 PM »
Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-straight-there-is-no-covid-heart/

The fact is there is no "consensus" as to the long term effects of either Covid or the vaccines.  Statements to the contrary are simply the "science as product" fallacy.  For people who have already had Covid or for whom the chance of complications are small (healthy and under 60), the risk of the disease is less than the risk of the vaccine. 

I know lots of people who had Covid.  I know no one who died or had serious long-term effects from it.  The same is true for everyone else I know.  All of the people who have died in my locality were in nursing homes or were already seriously ill.  I've been vaxxed, simply because I knew my industry was going to mandate it and I wanted it on my terms (single shot, non-mRNA).  Why are the 20-30 year-olds here in good health wrong for not getting vaccinated?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #63 on: August 05, 2021, 12:33:38 PM »
Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-straight-there-is-no-covid-heart/

The fact is there is no "consensus" as to the long term effects of either Covid or the vaccines.  Statements to the contrary are simply the "science as product" fallacy.  For people who have already had Covid or for whom the chance of complications are small (healthy and under 60), the risk of the disease is less than the risk of the vaccine. 

I know lots of people who had Covid.  I know no one who died or had serious long-term effects from it.  The same is true for everyone else I know.  All of the people who have died in my locality were in nursing homes or were already seriously ill.  I've been vaxxed, simply because I knew my industry was going to mandate it and I wanted it on my terms (single shot, non-mRNA).  Why are the 20-30 year-olds here in good health wrong for not getting vaccinated?
I've personally seen scores relatively healthy (damn near nobody is "perfectly healthy") individuals in their 30s and 40s with severe Covid-related symptoms in the last few months. I have directly witnessed a few of them die from it. The same is true for everyone else I work alongside.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #64 on: August 05, 2021, 12:39:07 PM »
Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-straight-there-is-no-covid-heart/

The fact is there is no "consensus" as to the long term effects of either Covid or the vaccines.  Statements to the contrary are simply the "science as product" fallacy.  For people who have already had Covid or for whom the chance of complications are small (healthy and under 60), the risk of the disease is less than the risk of the vaccine. 

I know lots of people who had Covid.  I know no one who died or had serious long-term effects from it.  The same is true for everyone else I know.  All of the people who have died in my locality were in nursing homes or were already seriously ill.  I've been vaxxed, simply because I knew my industry was going to mandate it and I wanted it on my terms (single shot, non-mRNA).  Why are the 20-30 year-olds here in good health wrong for not getting vaccinated?
I've personally seen scores relatively healthy (damn near nobody is "perfectly healthy") individuals in their 30s and 40s with severe Covid-related symptoms in the last few months. I have directly witnessed a few of them die from it. The same is true for everyone else I work alongside.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #65 on: August 05, 2021, 12:45:41 PM »
Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-straight-there-is-no-covid-heart/

The fact is there is no "consensus" as to the long term effects of either Covid or the vaccines.  Statements to the contrary are simply the "science as product" fallacy.  For people who have already had Covid or for whom the chance of complications are small (healthy and under 60), the risk of the disease is less than the risk of the vaccine. 

I know lots of people who had Covid.  I know no one who died or had serious long-term effects from it.  The same is true for everyone else I know.  All of the people who have died in my locality were in nursing homes or were already seriously ill.  I've been vaxxed, simply because I knew my industry was going to mandate it and I wanted it on my terms (single shot, non-mRNA).  Why are the 20-30 year-olds here in good health wrong for not getting vaccinated?
I've personally seen scores relatively healthy (damn near nobody is "perfectly healthy") individuals in their 30s and 40s with severe Covid-related symptoms in the last few months. I have directly witnessed a few of them die from it. The same is true for everyone else I work alongside.
"Policeman notes most people he meets while working are criminals!  News at 11!"
My point is that young and healthy people are at risk and are dying even if you are in denial. Florida, in particular, is getting hit hard right now. I hear Louisiana is bad too, but I don't have firsthand accounts on that.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #66 on: August 05, 2021, 12:52:57 PM »
Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-straight-there-is-no-covid-heart/

The fact is there is no "consensus" as to the long term effects of either Covid or the vaccines.  Statements to the contrary are simply the "science as product" fallacy.  For people who have already had Covid or for whom the chance of complications are small (healthy and under 60), the risk of the disease is less than the risk of the vaccine. 

I know lots of people who had Covid.  I know no one who died or had serious long-term effects from it.  The same is true for everyone else I know.  All of the people who have died in my locality were in nursing homes or were already seriously ill.  I've been vaxxed, simply because I knew my industry was going to mandate it and I wanted it on my terms (single shot, non-mRNA).  Why are the 20-30 year-olds here in good health wrong for not getting vaccinated?
I've personally seen scores relatively healthy (damn near nobody is "perfectly healthy") individuals in their 30s and 40s with severe Covid-related symptoms in the last few months. I have directly witnessed a few of them die from it. The same is true for everyone else I work alongside.
"Policeman notes most people he meets while working are criminals!  News at 11!"
My point is that young and healthy people are at risk and are dying even if you are in denial. Florida, in particular, is getting hit hard right now. I hear Louisiana is bad too, but I don't have firsthand accounts on that.

firsthand accounts = Anecdotal "evidence"
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #67 on: August 05, 2021, 01:22:22 PM »
...In the time we are given, I guess. And COVID took the World by storm. Do you want to wait more? Fine. Let's consider this solution. We know for certain that unchecked COVID causes variants. While most virii lose power with every generational cycle, this is not the case with this one. As we are seeing, it's already the variants the cause of the resurging scare.
"Lose power"? These are viruses, not batteries. They don't work like that.

We also know that "long term effects" of vaccines is something being studied since vaccines were created. Two and half billions people being vaccinated in a six months span is an unprecedented sample. For every informational article that patently describes why these COVID vaccines are safe you find one article that just screams danger - while sadly lacking counterfactual data.
No, that just you in your bubble. There are real and severe side effects to the vaccines, and they're widely reported and documented on all credible medical websites. And running human experiments on 2.5 billion people doesn't miraculously cause time dilation. We don't know the long term side effects because it hasn't been long enough.

Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp?

And in this situation the best you can think of is "No! Wait!" Seriously? If a tiger is about to jump you, you don't react until you have evaluated the impact of killing her on a dwindling species? Or if getting tiger blood on your clothes can, one day, give you AIDS? Really?
Covid-19.
19.
2019.
We're in the 8th month of 2021.
If tigers took 2 years to complete a jump, they'd starve in mid air.

And I'm still waiting for an answer to my basic question, a question I see being avoided everywhere I post it: 4% of World population, 25% of the dead by COVID. How could this happen?
Nobody's avoiding your question. It's just there's so much gibberish and misinformation in your posts, that it's exhausting responding to everything, even when it's intelligible. Which is the problem in this case. What's 4%? What's 25%? I'm guessing you might be referring to the proportion of deaths in the US, but you didn't actually say that, so I don't really know. If you want answers, don't make people infer what you fail to say.

Quick answer:
  • Trade hub. The US got hit very quickly, because a ridiculous proportion of world trade passes though the states. As a result, the US is ahead of most of the world.
  • Obesity. This is a very selective disease, and the disparities in death rates between countries seem strongly tied to the incidence of obesity. That's a big reason why Africa and India seem to be less affected. (Yes, there have been some recent outbreaks in India, but if you tunnel down, they're mostly among the Brahmin class in major cities, who are much fatter than the rest of the population. Groups with lower obesity rates are hit much more lightly.)
  • Youth. The other half of the Africa question. If you don't have many 70+ year olds, the death rate plummets drastically.
  • Cuomo, Whitmer, Newsom, Wolf, Murphy, and Pol Pot. Oh wait, the last one isn't a US governor who forced nursing homes to accept sick patients, but I'm sure he's with them in spirit. Again, this is a highly selective disease. A ridiculously high percentage of deaths occur in senior living facilities. A major factor in death rate disparities is how well each country protected their elderly in nursing homes and similar institutions.


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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #68 on: August 05, 2021, 01:55:39 PM »
Welcome to the new Dark Ages.

Feudalism, theocracy, and serfdom are coming back. Only this time the serfdom is urban instead of agrarian and the theocracy is leftist instead of Abrahamic

The pandemic is just the beginning.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2021, 08:09:35 PM by Doc Sammy »
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #69 on: August 05, 2021, 03:00:12 PM »
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Deaths per 1M population:

USA #21
Italy #16

What did Italy do wrong that it had a 128163/4377188 = 2.9% CFR
compared to the US 631362/36190896 = 1.7% CFR?

Why is Italian medicine so incompetent?  What could they have done differently (like the US) to save more of their countrymen from dying from this terrible disease?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #70 on: August 05, 2021, 03:04:32 PM »
How many people died or are suffering from high-morbidity long term damage after COVID compared to how many people died or are suffering from high-morbidity long term damage from vaccines? It is that simple.
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It varies. For the elderly, there's a compelling case for the vaccines. But for younger people, especially those who aren't obese, the trade off between the known risks of the vaccines and the possible chance of an infection is much murkier, and there doesn't seem to any good argument for jabbing children.

Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. (from a post just above yours)
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Also, notice how the "indistinct future" is the last ditch refuge of noVaxxers: "I don't know if the vaccines will have unforeseen consequences..." I'll think about that bridge when (and if) I get to it. Right now I have to think about a very scary and clear present.
While it's about economics not risk assessment, you reminded me of Bastiat's parable on the seen and unseen, because he highlights the importance of looking at all possible consequences of a situation...

...In the time we are given, I guess. And COVID took the World by storm. Do you want to wait more? Fine. Let's consider this solution. We know for certain that unchecked COVID causes variants. While most virii lose power with every generational cycle, this is not the case with this one. As we are seeing, it's already the variants the cause of the resurging scare.

We also know that "long term effects" of vaccines is something being studied since vaccines were created. Two and half billions people being vaccinated in a six months span is an unprecedented sample. For every informational article that patently describes why these COVID vaccines are safe you find one article that just screams danger - while sadly lacking counterfactual data.

And in this situation the best you can think of is "No! Wait!" Seriously? If a tiger is about to jump you, you don't react until you have evaluated the impact of killing her on a dwindling species? Or if getting tiger blood on your clothes can, one day, give you AIDS? Really?

And I'm still waiting for an answer to my basic question, a question I see being avoided everywhere I post it: 4% of World population, 25% of the dead by COVID. How could this happen?
Ask the Chinese. If you dare.

Are you telling me that, should the Chinese Army invade the US, the US will fold due to random squabbles about helmets and local governors declaring "There is no emergency, send the troops home, we can't have a deployed Army ruin Spring Break"?
Nope.

You're a bright boy, though. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Are you sure you don't work for Evil Hat?  :D

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If you need help: https://spectatorworld.com/topic/new-york-times-quashed-covid-origins-inquiry/

And?

Once the virus reached the US, no matter if from Dr. Evil's Fortress or from a Color Out of Space, how did the US screw up so spectacularly?

But, as I wrote, I never get a direct answer to this question - here being only an example. What I get instead are lectures from these people about the best way to tackle it. ::)

Greetings!

How did America screw up? We follow along with the narrative put forth by the cock-sucking Marxist politicians that want more power, and one avenue to gaining more power is to encourage hysteria and promote a crisis that somehow requires America to shut down our economy and make everyone poor. And increase the numbers of people desperately dependent upon the Federal Government.

How did America screw up? By letting more Marxists and globalists and woke fucking morons gain power. In schools, business, entertainment, the media, and government. You can expect MORE corruption, and more clusterfucking from America, rather than less. The whole country is in a process of being run just like the states of New York, California, Oregon, and Washington. Everything is likely to get far more worse before anything ever gets better.

That's what happens when you let Marxists, cock-sucking Liberals, Globalists, and woke fucking morons get into controlling your government and culture.

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2021, 03:14:51 PM »
How many people died or are suffering from high-morbidity long term damage after COVID compared to how many people died or are suffering from high-morbidity long term damage from vaccines? It is that simple.
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It varies. For the elderly, there's a compelling case for the vaccines. But for younger people, especially those who aren't obese, the trade off between the known risks of the vaccines and the possible chance of an infection is much murkier, and there doesn't seem to any good argument for jabbing children.

Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. (from a post just above yours)
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Also, notice how the "indistinct future" is the last ditch refuge of noVaxxers: "I don't know if the vaccines will have unforeseen consequences..." I'll think about that bridge when (and if) I get to it. Right now I have to think about a very scary and clear present.
While it's about economics not risk assessment, you reminded me of Bastiat's parable on the seen and unseen, because he highlights the importance of looking at all possible consequences of a situation...

...In the time we are given, I guess. And COVID took the World by storm. Do you want to wait more? Fine. Let's consider this solution. We know for certain that unchecked COVID causes variants. While most virii lose power with every generational cycle, this is not the case with this one. As we are seeing, it's already the variants the cause of the resurging scare.

We also know that "long term effects" of vaccines is something being studied since vaccines were created. Two and half billions people being vaccinated in a six months span is an unprecedented sample. For every informational article that patently describes why these COVID vaccines are safe you find one article that just screams danger - while sadly lacking counterfactual data.

And in this situation the best you can think of is "No! Wait!" Seriously? If a tiger is about to jump you, you don't react until you have evaluated the impact of killing her on a dwindling species? Or if getting tiger blood on your clothes can, one day, give you AIDS? Really?

And I'm still waiting for an answer to my basic question, a question I see being avoided everywhere I post it: 4% of World population, 25% of the dead by COVID. How could this happen?
Ask the Chinese. If you dare.

Are you telling me that, should the Chinese Army invade the US, the US will fold due to random squabbles about helmets and local governors declaring "There is no emergency, send the troops home, we can't have a deployed Army ruin Spring Break"?
Nope.

You're a bright boy, though. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Are you sure you don't work for Evil Hat?  :D

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If you need help: https://spectatorworld.com/topic/new-york-times-quashed-covid-origins-inquiry/

And?

Once the virus reached the US, no matter if from Dr. Evil's Fortress or from a Color Out of Space, how did the US screw up so spectacularly?

But, as I wrote, I never get a direct answer to this question - here being only an example. What I get instead are lectures from these people about the best way to tackle it. ::)

Greetings!

How did America screw up? We follow along with the narrative put forth by the cock-sucking Marxist politicians that want more power, and one avenue to gaining more power is to encourage hysteria and promote a crisis that somehow requires America to shut down our economy and make everyone poor. And increase the numbers of people desperately dependent upon the Federal Government.

How did America screw up? By letting more Marxists and globalists and woke fucking morons gain power. In schools, business, entertainment, the media, and government. You can expect MORE corruption, and more clusterfucking from America, rather than less. The whole country is in a process of being run just like the states of New York, California, Oregon, and Washington. Everything is likely to get far more worse before anything ever gets better.

That's what happens when you let Marxists, cock-sucking Liberals, Globalists, and woke fucking morons get into controlling your government and culture.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Trump held the reigns for the first year of Covid. What combination of "Marxists, cock-sucking Liberals, Globalist, and woke fucking morons" would you put him and his "best people" into?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2021, 03:29:38 PM »
Meanwhile Jen 'Circle Back' Psaki straight up admits the Bidenharris misadministration is dumping COVID-positive illegals into Texas.


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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2021, 03:33:37 PM »
Trump held the reigns for the first year of Covid. What combination of "Marxists, cock-sucking Liberals, Globalist, and woke fucking morons" would you put him and his "best people" into?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Of the top four of states with the highest deaths per 1M, 3 have democrat governors (with that noted Red state Massachusetts being the exception).  All locked down and the top 2 (NY & NJ) put Covid cases into old-folks homes, causing most of the deaths.  Florida is 26th.  Texas is 25th (both at 1/2 the rate of NY).  Looks like the northeastern states are the ones that screwed up the most, and Trump didn't win a single one of them...

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« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2021, 04:04:22 PM »
Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-straight-there-is-no-covid-heart/

The fact is there is no "consensus" as to the long term effects of either Covid or the vaccines.  Statements to the contrary are simply the "science as product" fallacy.  For people who have already had Covid or for whom the chance of complications are small (healthy and under 60), the risk of the disease is less than the risk of the vaccine. 

I know lots of people who had Covid.  I know no one who died or had serious long-term effects from it.  The same is true for everyone else I know.  All of the people who have died in my locality were in nursing homes or were already seriously ill.  I've been vaxxed, simply because I knew my industry was going to mandate it and I wanted it on my terms (single shot, non-mRNA).  Why are the 20-30 year-olds here in good health wrong for not getting vaccinated?
I've personally seen scores relatively healthy (damn near nobody is "perfectly healthy") individuals in their 30s and 40s with severe Covid-related symptoms in the last few months. I have directly witnessed a few of them die from it. The same is true for everyone else I work alongside.
"Policeman notes most people he meets while working are criminals!  News at 11!"
My point is that young and healthy people are at risk and are dying even if you are in denial. Florida, in particular, is getting hit hard right now. I hear Louisiana is bad too, but I don't have firsthand accounts on that.

firsthand accounts = Anecdotal "evidence"
It's an eyewitness statement that can be backed with hard data, but I am not at liberty to share that data and you are not cleared to receive it. So all you get is my statement...and that of many other healthcare workers that have seen similar events. But you just want to doubt them all. You have my pity too.