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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #585 on: August 26, 2021, 06:16:57 PM »
  I find it interesting I saw a clip of the Phizer CEO saying he would not get the shot, since he is 59 and in good health.  I think that says all that needs to be said.

The CEO of Pfizer is Albert Bourla, who got his second shot back in March 2021.

https://www.pfizer.com/people/leadership/executives

https://twitter.com/albertbourla/status/1369734954498818052?lang=en

I think you might be referring to the December 2020 CNBC interview where he said that he wasn't going to "cut the line" to get his shot ahead of other people because he was in good health, but that was a matter of prioritizing the people who should receive the shot first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6O6FqYYImk

  I am referring to that.  His stance at 59 said all that needs to be said.

So I'm 51 and in good health, and I did the same thing as Bourla. I didn't try to force my way to the head of the line, but once the vaccine was available to all adults, I got it. My second shot was in May 2021.

But it seems like you're drawing a different conclusion.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #586 on: August 26, 2021, 06:18:09 PM »
  I find it interesting I saw a clip of the Phizer CEO saying he would not get the shot, since he is 59 and in good health.  I think that says all that needs to be said.

The CEO of Pfizer is Albert Bourla, who got his second shot back in March 2021.

https://www.pfizer.com/people/leadership/executives

https://twitter.com/albertbourla/status/1369734954498818052?lang=en

I think you might be referring to the December 2020 CNBC interview where he said that he wasn't going to "cut the line" to get his shot ahead of other people because he was in good health, but that was a matter of prioritizing the people who should receive the shot first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6O6FqYYImk

  I am referring to that.  His stance at 59 said all that needs to be said.

So I'm 51 and in good health, and I did the same thing as Bourla. I didn't try to force my way to the head of the line, but once the vaccine was available to all adults, I got it. My second shot was in May 2021.

But it seems like you're drawing a different conclusion.

  I am.  His taking a dose would not cut any line whatsoever.  And it being his product, HE should have taken the first shot. 

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« Reply #587 on: August 26, 2021, 06:18:56 PM »
  FDA approved.  I do love those official stamps.  Just like weapons of mass destruction, no troops on the ground, etc.  No thanks.

It's funny for a year people here screamed it wasn't even FDA approved and that was in some way meaningful, and now that it's FDA approved they dismiss that as not meaningful. Almost like they were arguing in bad faith for a year!

1.  Because the approval administrative procedures were circumvented the FDA approval is questionable, at best...

2.  None of the available jabs are actually approved, the Pfizer shot that was 'approved' does not actually exist yet... (notice how the EUA for the Pfizer shot wasn't actually pulled when the approval came through)

3.  Technically they are still an experimental medical treatment because they have not completed the required trials yet...  (FDA approval and 'experimental' are not necessarily mutually exclusive)

4.  Since you run a small business, have you mandated a shot yet...or are you just CYA right now because people have only blathered about HIPPA/privacy and nobody has brought up the ADA yet so you haven't actually had to deal with it?

1. The approval administrative procedure was not circumvented for this latest approval. I asked earlier for someone to provide a link supporting that claim and...crickets. Lots of people like to assert it, but nobody seems able to willing to actually back that claim up with anything other than their own personal guess.

2. The approved shot IS the existing shot. No change.

3. They did complete the required trials. Again, I keep asking for a link to claims like this and...crickets.

4. I have not mandated the shot. ADA doesn't cover not getting the vaccine - it's not a disability. Now if someone comes with a doctors note about how they are immunocompromised and the vaccine would not be in order, that would be respected under the ADA (if I were requiring the shot - which I am not). 

All of my employees got vaccinated on their own. I did influence it, but not how you might expect. In fact I never even said they should get it. I only said if anyone wanted to get it I would help them get the vaccine. And I told them I had gotten it. But I also told them they were not required to get it to work here and I would keep it private if people got it or didn't get it.

All I did was obtain approval from the City of LA to treat my employees as "health care support manufacturing" because we were making masks (and also donating many to local hospitals). And because "health care support" was one of the earlier vaccine check-boxes at a time when not everyone could get the vaccine, I offered my employees a personalized letter in their name addressed to the vaccine administrators explaining their job included the manufacturing of face masks, some of which were donated to local hospitals, and if the administrator thought it appropriate to please render vaccine services for that employee.

Because this was "special" permission to get the vaccine before some others could get it, my employees jumped on the opportunity and got the vaccine. Never mind that literally the very next week it was opened up to a lot more people to get the shot. And also never mind that not one vaccine administrator even looked at the letter. The mere idea that they were getting some sort of "privilege" that others couldn't get was enticing for them to get the vaccine. And every single one of them did, without any mandate or pressure.

1.  Surely you can show me the data that shows they followed the administrative procedures to the letter...After all, if a company can show that much efficiency compared to the normal development time, that would be some truly revolutionary methods that can be used by others.

2.  So you are saying the currently available jab is legally the same as what the FDA issued an approval letter for...

3.  See my response to 1 above and please provide a link as to how the control group is doing...

4.  Lucky you, everyone took the jab voluntarily...I am assuming that you will require any new employees to be vaccinated in order to be hired, right.  It is approved and all, right...which means it is no longer 'experimental' and doesn't have an EUA...and you said businesses should be able to do that.  I mean it isn't a 'disability' so obviously the ADA wouldn't apply, because laws never cover things that don't relate to their title, do they...  ;)

Could somebody please provide me a link for how long the jab is definitely effective for...

No man you're making an accusation: that the FDA approved vaccine bypassed protocols. The burden is on you to support that claim, not to me to "disprove" it. You're like the third person I've asked to support this claim who mysteriously is unwilling to back it up. Almost like it's just some shit you hear from some other rando on the Internet and just believe it without ever actually looking to see if it was correct because it furthered your bias about the topic.

As for new employees being vaccinated, no of course not. Why would I do that? I have in fact hired new people since then. They all got the vaccine. But I don't require the vaccine to work here and I didn't even ask about it when we hired them.  Just because I said (correctly) that a business can LEGALLY require the vaccine doesn't mean a business MUST require it and I don't. I feel we have a very safe workplace with or without the vaccine. We've only had one person at my company who had covid, and that was early on well prior to any vaccine existing, and they got it outside the business and didn't spread it to anyone here.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #588 on: August 26, 2021, 07:15:29 PM »
Edit - Let me put it another way.  I keep hearing things like 'the only good Communist is a dead Communist', but nobody gives Communists credit for killing more Communists than a single Capitalist ever did.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #589 on: August 26, 2021, 07:24:04 PM »
  FDA approved.  I do love those official stamps.  Just like weapons of mass destruction, no troops on the ground, etc.  No thanks.

It's funny for a year people here screamed it wasn't even FDA approved and that was in some way meaningful, and now that it's FDA approved they dismiss that as not meaningful. Almost like they were arguing in bad faith for a year!

1.  Because the approval administrative procedures were circumvented the FDA approval is questionable, at best...

2.  None of the available jabs are actually approved, the Pfizer shot that was 'approved' does not actually exist yet... (notice how the EUA for the Pfizer shot wasn't actually pulled when the approval came through)

3.  Technically they are still an experimental medical treatment because they have not completed the required trials yet...  (FDA approval and 'experimental' are not necessarily mutually exclusive)

4.  Since you run a small business, have you mandated a shot yet...or are you just CYA right now because people have only blathered about HIPPA/privacy and nobody has brought up the ADA yet so you haven't actually had to deal with it?

1. The approval administrative procedure was not circumvented for this latest approval. I asked earlier for someone to provide a link supporting that claim and...crickets. Lots of people like to assert it, but nobody seems able to willing to actually back that claim up with anything other than their own personal guess.

2. The approved shot IS the existing shot. No change.

3. They did complete the required trials. Again, I keep asking for a link to claims like this and...crickets.

4. I have not mandated the shot. ADA doesn't cover not getting the vaccine - it's not a disability. Now if someone comes with a doctors note about how they are immunocompromised and the vaccine would not be in order, that would be respected under the ADA (if I were requiring the shot - which I am not). 

All of my employees got vaccinated on their own. I did influence it, but not how you might expect. In fact I never even said they should get it. I only said if anyone wanted to get it I would help them get the vaccine. And I told them I had gotten it. But I also told them they were not required to get it to work here and I would keep it private if people got it or didn't get it.

All I did was obtain approval from the City of LA to treat my employees as "health care support manufacturing" because we were making masks (and also donating many to local hospitals). And because "health care support" was one of the earlier vaccine check-boxes at a time when not everyone could get the vaccine, I offered my employees a personalized letter in their name addressed to the vaccine administrators explaining their job included the manufacturing of face masks, some of which were donated to local hospitals, and if the administrator thought it appropriate to please render vaccine services for that employee.

Because this was "special" permission to get the vaccine before some others could get it, my employees jumped on the opportunity and got the vaccine. Never mind that literally the very next week it was opened up to a lot more people to get the shot. And also never mind that not one vaccine administrator even looked at the letter. The mere idea that they were getting some sort of "privilege" that others couldn't get was enticing for them to get the vaccine. And every single one of them did, without any mandate or pressure.

1.  Surely you can show me the data that shows they followed the administrative procedures to the letter...After all, if a company can show that much efficiency compared to the normal development time, that would be some truly revolutionary methods that can be used by others.

2.  So you are saying the currently available jab is legally the same as what the FDA issued an approval letter for...

3.  See my response to 1 above and please provide a link as to how the control group is doing...

4.  Lucky you, everyone took the jab voluntarily...I am assuming that you will require any new employees to be vaccinated in order to be hired, right.  It is approved and all, right...which means it is no longer 'experimental' and doesn't have an EUA...and you said businesses should be able to do that.  I mean it isn't a 'disability' so obviously the ADA wouldn't apply, because laws never cover things that don't relate to their title, do they...  ;)

Could somebody please provide me a link for how long the jab is definitely effective for...

No man you're making an accusation: that the FDA approved vaccine bypassed protocols. The burden is on you to support that claim, not to me to "disprove" it. You're like the third person I've asked to support this claim who mysteriously is unwilling to back it up. Almost like it's just some shit you hear from some other rando on the Internet and just believe it without ever actually looking to see if it was correct because it furthered your bias about the topic.

Aww, I was hoping for a link to the complete data for the clinical trial because I can't seem to find one anywhere...   :(

As for new employees being vaccinated, no of course not. Why would I do that? I have in fact hired new people since then. They all got the vaccine. But I don't require the vaccine to work here and I didn't even ask about it when we hired them.  Just because I said (correctly) that a business can LEGALLY require the vaccine doesn't mean a business MUST require it and I don't. I feel we have a very safe workplace with or without the vaccine. We've only had one person at my company who had covid, and that was early on well prior to any vaccine existing, and they got it outside the business and didn't spread it to anyone here.

Wow.  For someone so worked up about the 'approval' and the employer's right to mandate a medical procedure, I am utterly amazed that you didn't even ASK any new employees about their status or bother to mandate to protect your current employees...

*cough* ADA *cough*

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #590 on: August 26, 2021, 08:57:21 PM »
  FDA approved.  I do love those official stamps.  Just like weapons of mass destruction, no troops on the ground, etc.  No thanks.

It's funny for a year people here screamed it wasn't even FDA approved and that was in some way meaningful, and now that it's FDA approved they dismiss that as not meaningful. Almost like they were arguing in bad faith for a year!

1.  Because the approval administrative procedures were circumvented the FDA approval is questionable, at best...

2.  None of the available jabs are actually approved, the Pfizer shot that was 'approved' does not actually exist yet... (notice how the EUA for the Pfizer shot wasn't actually pulled when the approval came through)

3.  Technically they are still an experimental medical treatment because they have not completed the required trials yet...  (FDA approval and 'experimental' are not necessarily mutually exclusive)

4.  Since you run a small business, have you mandated a shot yet...or are you just CYA right now because people have only blathered about HIPPA/privacy and nobody has brought up the ADA yet so you haven't actually had to deal with it?

1. The approval administrative procedure was not circumvented for this latest approval. I asked earlier for someone to provide a link supporting that claim and...crickets. Lots of people like to assert it, but nobody seems able to willing to actually back that claim up with anything other than their own personal guess.

2. The approved shot IS the existing shot. No change.

3. They did complete the required trials. Again, I keep asking for a link to claims like this and...crickets.

4. I have not mandated the shot. ADA doesn't cover not getting the vaccine - it's not a disability. Now if someone comes with a doctors note about how they are immunocompromised and the vaccine would not be in order, that would be respected under the ADA (if I were requiring the shot - which I am not). 

All of my employees got vaccinated on their own. I did influence it, but not how you might expect. In fact I never even said they should get it. I only said if anyone wanted to get it I would help them get the vaccine. And I told them I had gotten it. But I also told them they were not required to get it to work here and I would keep it private if people got it or didn't get it.

All I did was obtain approval from the City of LA to treat my employees as "health care support manufacturing" because we were making masks (and also donating many to local hospitals). And because "health care support" was one of the earlier vaccine check-boxes at a time when not everyone could get the vaccine, I offered my employees a personalized letter in their name addressed to the vaccine administrators explaining their job included the manufacturing of face masks, some of which were donated to local hospitals, and if the administrator thought it appropriate to please render vaccine services for that employee.

Because this was "special" permission to get the vaccine before some others could get it, my employees jumped on the opportunity and got the vaccine. Never mind that literally the very next week it was opened up to a lot more people to get the shot. And also never mind that not one vaccine administrator even looked at the letter. The mere idea that they were getting some sort of "privilege" that others couldn't get was enticing for them to get the vaccine. And every single one of them did, without any mandate or pressure.

1.  Surely you can show me the data that shows they followed the administrative procedures to the letter...After all, if a company can show that much efficiency compared to the normal development time, that would be some truly revolutionary methods that can be used by others.

2.  So you are saying the currently available jab is legally the same as what the FDA issued an approval letter for...

3.  See my response to 1 above and please provide a link as to how the control group is doing...

4.  Lucky you, everyone took the jab voluntarily...I am assuming that you will require any new employees to be vaccinated in order to be hired, right.  It is approved and all, right...which means it is no longer 'experimental' and doesn't have an EUA...and you said businesses should be able to do that.  I mean it isn't a 'disability' so obviously the ADA wouldn't apply, because laws never cover things that don't relate to their title, do they...  ;)

Could somebody please provide me a link for how long the jab is definitely effective for...

No man you're making an accusation: that the FDA approved vaccine bypassed protocols. The burden is on you to support that claim, not to me to "disprove" it. You're like the third person I've asked to support this claim who mysteriously is unwilling to back it up. Almost like it's just some shit you hear from some other rando on the Internet and just believe it without ever actually looking to see if it was correct because it furthered your bias about the topic.

Aww, I was hoping for a link to the complete data for the clinical trial because I can't seem to find one anywhere...   :(

As for new employees being vaccinated, no of course not. Why would I do that? I have in fact hired new people since then. They all got the vaccine. But I don't require the vaccine to work here and I didn't even ask about it when we hired them.  Just because I said (correctly) that a business can LEGALLY require the vaccine doesn't mean a business MUST require it and I don't. I feel we have a very safe workplace with or without the vaccine. We've only had one person at my company who had covid, and that was early on well prior to any vaccine existing, and they got it outside the business and didn't spread it to anyone here.

Wow.  For someone so worked up about the 'approval' and the employer's right to mandate a medical procedure, I am utterly amazed that you didn't even ASK any new employees about their status or bother to mandate to protect your current employees...

*cough* ADA *cough*

...sorry, had something in my throat...

I've been an attorney for 26 years. I was a practicing employment law attorney representing both companies and employees on ADA claims for years. Asking about the vaccine is not, in any way, an ADA violation. Requiring the vaccine is not, in any way, a violation of the ADA unless it involves a doctors note specifying some medical condition which prevents you from getting the vaccine. You don't know shit about the ADA if you think it would be an ADA issue.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #591 on: August 26, 2021, 09:43:01 PM »
  FDA approved.  I do love those official stamps.  Just like weapons of mass destruction, no troops on the ground, etc.  No thanks.


It's funny for a year people here screamed it wasn't even FDA approved and that was in some way meaningful, and now that it's FDA approved they dismiss that as not meaningful. Almost like they were arguing in bad faith for a year!

1.  Because the approval administrative procedures were circumvented the FDA approval is questionable, at best...

2.  None of the available jabs are actually approved, the Pfizer shot that was 'approved' does not actually exist yet... (notice how the EUA for the Pfizer shot wasn't actually pulled when the approval came through)

3.  Technically they are still an experimental medical treatment because they have not completed the required trials yet...  (FDA approval and 'experimental' are not necessarily mutually exclusive)

4.  Since you run a small business, have you mandated a shot yet...or are you just CYA right now because people have only blathered about HIPPA/privacy and nobody has brought up the ADA yet so you haven't actually had to deal with it?

1. The approval administrative procedure was not circumvented for this latest approval. I asked earlier for someone to provide a link supporting that claim and...crickets. Lots of people like to assert it, but nobody seems able to willing to actually back that claim up with anything other than their own personal guess.

2. The approved shot IS the existing shot. No change.

3. They did complete the required trials. Again, I keep asking for a link to claims like this and...crickets.

4. I have not mandated the shot. ADA doesn't cover not getting the vaccine - it's not a disability. Now if someone comes with a doctors note about how they are immunocompromised and the vaccine would not be in order, that would be respected under the ADA (if I were requiring the shot - which I am not). 

All of my employees got vaccinated on their own. I did influence it, but not how you might expect. In fact I never even said they should get it. I only said if anyone wanted to get it I would help them get the vaccine. And I told them I had gotten it. But I also told them they were not required to get it to work here and I would keep it private if people got it or didn't get it.

All I did was obtain approval from the City of LA to treat my employees as "health care support manufacturing" because we were making masks (and also donating many to local hospitals). And because "health care support" was one of the earlier vaccine check-boxes at a time when not everyone could get the vaccine, I offered my employees a personalized letter in their name addressed to the vaccine administrators explaining their job included the manufacturing of face masks, some of which were donated to local hospitals, and if the administrator thought it appropriate to please render vaccine services for that employee.

Because this was "special" permission to get the vaccine before some others could get it, my employees jumped on the opportunity and got the vaccine. Never mind that literally the very next week it was opened up to a lot more people to get the shot. And also never mind that not one vaccine administrator even looked at the letter. The mere idea that they were getting some sort of "privilege" that others couldn't get was enticing for them to get the vaccine. And every single one of them did, without any mandate or pressure.

1.  Surely you can show me the data that shows they followed the administrative procedures to the letter...After all, if a company can show that much efficiency compared to the normal development time, that would be some truly revolutionary methods that can be used by others.

2.  So you are saying the currently available jab is legally the same as what the FDA issued an approval letter for...

3.  See my response to 1 above and please provide a link as to how the control group is doing...

4.  Lucky you, everyone took the jab voluntarily...I am assuming that you will require any new employees to be vaccinated in order to be hired, right.  It is approved and all, right...which means it is no longer 'experimental' and doesn't have an EUA...and you said businesses should be able to do that.  I mean it isn't a 'disability' so obviously the ADA wouldn't apply, because laws never cover things that don't relate to their title, do they...  ;)

Could somebody please provide me a link for how long the jab is definitely effective for...

No man you're making an accusation: that the FDA approved vaccine bypassed protocols. The burden is on you to support that claim, not to me to "disprove" it. You're like the third person I've asked to support this claim who mysteriously is unwilling to back it up. Almost like it's just some shit you hear from some other rando on the Internet and just believe it without ever actually looking to see if it was correct because it furthered your bias about the topic.

Aww, I was hoping for a link to the complete data for the clinical trial because I can't seem to find one anywhere...   :(

As for new employees being vaccinated, no of course not. Why would I do that? I have in fact hired new people since then. They all got the vaccine. But I don't require the vaccine to work here and I didn't even ask about it when we hired them.  Just because I said (correctly) that a business can LEGALLY require the vaccine doesn't mean a business MUST require it and I don't. I feel we have a very safe workplace with or without the vaccine. We've only had one person at my company who had covid, and that was early on well prior to any vaccine existing, and they got it outside the business and didn't spread it to anyone here.

Wow.  For someone so worked up about the 'approval' and the employer's right to mandate a medical procedure, I am utterly amazed that you didn't even ASK any new employees about their status or bother to mandate to protect your current employees...

*cough* ADA *cough*

...sorry, had something in my throat...

I've been an attorney for 26 years. I was a practicing employment law attorney representing both companies and employees on ADA claims for years. Asking about the vaccine is not, in any way, an ADA violation. Requiring the vaccine is not, in any way, a violation of the ADA unless it involves a doctors note specifying some medical condition which prevents you from getting the vaccine. You don't know shit about the ADA if you think it would be an ADA issue.


Oh goody. An actual, real, live attorney...why didn't you answer point 2? That would just take a simple yes or no.

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2.  None of the available jabs are actually approved, the Pfizer shot that was 'approved' does not actually exist yet... (notice how the EUA for the Pfizer shot wasn't actually pulled when the approval came through)

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2. The approved shot IS the existing shot. No change.

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2.  So you are saying the currently available jab is legally the same as what the FDA issued an approval letter for...
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #592 on: August 31, 2021, 10:30:53 PM »
Here's an appalling example of judicial overreach. A woman, who was advised by her doctor not to take a covid-19 vaccine because she had had adverse reactions to vaccines in the past, was stripped of her parental rights, until she gets the jab. This wasn't even a custody hearing, it was a Zoom meeting about expenses.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/30/chicago-judge-rules-mom-cant-see-son-not-vaccinated/5647445001/
https://news.yahoo.com/judge-blocks-mother-shared-custody-145906661.html

The government and its officials subjecting its citizens to forced medical procedures is a line that should never be crossed.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #593 on: August 31, 2021, 10:53:40 PM »
Here's an appalling example of judicial overreach. A woman, who was advised by her doctor not to take a covid-19 vaccine because she had had adverse reactions to vaccines in the past, was stripped of her parental rights, until she gets the jab. This wasn't even a custody hearing, it was a Zoom meeting about expenses.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/30/chicago-judge-rules-mom-cant-see-son-not-vaccinated/5647445001/
https://news.yahoo.com/judge-blocks-mother-shared-custody-145906661.html

The government and its officials subjecting its citizens to forced medical procedures is a line that should never be crossed.

That’s outrageous.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #594 on: August 31, 2021, 10:59:44 PM »
Here's an appalling example of judicial overreach. A woman, who was advised by her doctor not to take a covid-19 vaccine because she had had adverse reactions to vaccines in the past, was stripped of her parental rights, until she gets the jab. This wasn't even a custody hearing, it was a Zoom meeting about expenses.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/30/chicago-judge-rules-mom-cant-see-son-not-vaccinated/5647445001/
https://news.yahoo.com/judge-blocks-mother-shared-custody-145906661.html

The government and its officials subjecting its citizens to forced medical procedures is a line that should never be crossed.

Fortunately that judge reversed his decision. Probably because someone in a position of higher authority called him and told him he was about to get his ass handed to him if he tried to do that.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #596 on: September 01, 2021, 09:23:09 PM »
Here's an appalling example of judicial overreach. A woman, who was advised by her doctor not to take a covid-19 vaccine because she had had adverse reactions to vaccines in the past, was stripped of her parental rights, until she gets the jab. This wasn't even a custody hearing, it was a Zoom meeting about expenses.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/30/chicago-judge-rules-mom-cant-see-son-not-vaccinated/5647445001/
https://news.yahoo.com/judge-blocks-mother-shared-custody-145906661.html

The government and its officials subjecting its citizens to forced medical procedures is a line that should never be crossed.

Fortunately that judge reversed his decision. Probably because someone in a position of higher authority called him and told him he was about to get his ass handed to him if he tried to do that.
That's good news.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #597 on: September 04, 2021, 06:32:35 AM »
https://news.yahoo.com/australia-debuts-apos-orwellian-apos-120948511.html

Australia is testing an app that will text people under self-quarantine at random times throughout the day, and they'll have to respond within a certain time limit with a geotagged photo of themselves, proving that they're really at home where they're supposed to be, or the police will be summoned.

https://www.techspot.com/news/91071-australia-passes-surveillance-bill-police-take-over-accounts.html

Plus, they pushed through a bill in less than 24 hours that gives themselves the authority to alter anything they want online and even take over people's accounts, without any due process or even a formal accusation of a crime. Some retired government flunky pinky promised they'd only use the sweeping new powers against really bad people, which I completely trust because no government that's promised not to abuse their sweeping new powers has ever gone back on their word.

In unrelated news, Australia has decided to rename themselves Oceania.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #598 on: September 04, 2021, 06:49:24 AM »
Here’s another piece of troubling news. De la Hoya has been hospitalized with Covid-19 even though he is in top shape, and fully vaxxed. It appears the virus continues to win. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/03/us/oscar-de-la-hoya-covid-spt-intl/index.html
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #599 on: September 04, 2021, 07:48:52 AM »
Here’s another piece of troubling news. De la Hoya has been hospitalized with Covid-19 even though he is in top shape, and fully vaxxed. It appears the virus continues to win. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/03/us/oscar-de-la-hoya-covid-spt-intl/index.html

  I am not so sure anyone who has used as much coke as he has is in top shape.   Fighters approaching 50, regardless of their appearance, IME are anything but top shape.