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Author Topic: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!  (Read 22030 times)

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #495 on: August 24, 2021, 04:50:29 PM »
Not cool! https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-doctors-walkout-unvaccinated-patients-surge-2021-8

75 Florida doctors stage a walk out!? Just because they actually get to work. Not enough interns, nurses!? Now the Kings and Queens get to actually do some work and they’re staging a walk out. Shows a lot of people become doctors because mom, dad and ben. No sense of duty, no real purpose.

  Seems a little bit like the sort of thing that can endanger a medical license.  If not wanting to work on patients who, in the doctor's view take health risks is a no...Then I guess none of those doctors work on fat people, drug addicts, alcoholics, etc..
It was a symbolic walkout that lasted only a few minutes. The doctors likely had their cells on them and were never out of contact, and it's not like they are the ones directly caring for the patients under most circumstances (I seriously doubt any walked out during procedures, but let me know if you find any contrary evidence on that).
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #496 on: August 24, 2021, 04:54:53 PM »
Not cool! https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-doctors-walkout-unvaccinated-patients-surge-2021-8

75 Florida doctors stage a walk out!? Just because they actually get to work. Not enough interns, nurses!? Now the Kings and Queens get to actually do some work and they’re staging a walk out. Shows a lot of people become doctors because mom, dad and ben. No sense of duty, no real purpose.

  Seems a little bit like the sort of thing that can endanger a medical license.  If not wanting to work on patients who, in the doctor's view take health risks is a no...Then I guess none of those doctors work on fat people, drug addicts, alcoholics, etc..
It was a symbolic walkout that lasted only a few minutes. The doctors likely had their cells on them and were never out of contact, and it's not like they are the ones directly caring for the patients under most circumstances (I seriously doubt any walked out during procedures, but let me know if you find any contrary evidence on that).

  I am sure none did, or would.  They were LARP'ing.  Which was why i was wondering about those licenses. 

  Edited to add: but if my sister-in-law moves to Florida and continues investigating doctors I am sure I can tell you all sorts of things un related to Covid right near you that might make your hair stand up.  Then again, I am sure you have a run in with a doctor of questionable character from time to time.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #497 on: August 24, 2021, 04:56:12 PM »
My sister in law investigates for the State medical board when a doctor has a serious complaint against him/her.  Some of the shit I have heard the past year would make the hair on the back of your neck stand up.   I want to think most doctors go into the profession to be caretakers and help those in need.  But from her, and from what I hear from a nurse friend....seems a few sociopaths make the cut as well.
Bad incentives. The vast majority of doctors still become doctors because they want to help people, but the system in which they work focuses them on all the wrong things. And of course a few get into the business to exploit the system, rather than help.

If you're interested enough for a hour plus listen, there's a good breakdown here:
https://accadandkoka.com/episodes/episode165-2/
They're specifically talking about the Canadian system and socialized medicine, but all the general principles apply to the US system as well, which has all the same problems. They talk extensively about how things changed, and how it's warped practice.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #498 on: August 24, 2021, 04:59:17 PM »
My sister in law investigates for the State medical board when a doctor has a serious complaint against him/her.  Some of the shit I have heard the past year would make the hair on the back of your neck stand up.   I want to think most doctors go into the profession to be caretakers and help those in need.  But from her, and from what I hear from a nurse friend....seems a few sociopaths make the cut as well.
Bad incentives. The vast majority of doctors still become doctors because they want to help people, but the system in which they work focuses them on all the wrong things. And of course a few get into the business to exploit the system, rather than help.

If you're interested enough for a hour plus listen, there's a good breakdown here:
https://accadandkoka.com/episodes/episode165-2/
They're specifically talking about the Canadian system and socialized medicine, but all the general principles apply to the US system as well, which has all the same problems. They talk extensively about how things changed, and how it's warped practice.

  Well, I do not think a dude who checks a teen's pulse by sticking his finger in her vajayjay is exploiting a system, I also do not think a doctor with full blown covid who shows up to work at the practice, and works for 5 hours (this is after being Covid positive for 4 days, and running a fever at work) is exploiting a system.  Those are full blown sociopaths.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #499 on: August 24, 2021, 05:20:17 PM »
  Well, I do not think a dude who checks a teen's pulse by sticking his finger in her vajayjay is exploiting a system, I also do not think a doctor with full blown covid who shows up to work at the practice, and works for 5 hours (this is after being Covid positive for 4 days, and running a fever at work) is exploiting a system.  Those are full blown sociopaths.
About two weeks ago, I was within earshot when a registered nurse told her manager that she'd spent the weekend with her in-laws, who tested positive for covid-19. The RN had come in, worked her entire shift in an open office with multiple patients, and only brought it up because "she was trying to quarantine a bit", and wanted to know if her manager (who is an administrator not a medical professional) wanted her to wipe down her computer before she left.

Though I think that was more incompetence than sociopathy.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #500 on: August 24, 2021, 05:24:23 PM »
My sister in law investigates for the State medical board when a doctor has a serious complaint against him/her.  Some of the shit I have heard the past year would make the hair on the back of your neck stand up.   I want to think most doctors go into the profession to be caretakers and help those in need.  But from her, and from what I hear from a nurse friend....seems a few sociopaths make the cut as well.
Bad incentives. The vast majority of doctors still become doctors because they want to help people, but the system in which they work focuses them on all the wrong things. And of course a few get into the business to exploit the system, rather than help.

Some dude was telling me that Doctors in the USA can be sued if they spend more time on one of their patients then another.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #501 on: August 24, 2021, 05:25:51 PM »
  Well, I do not think a dude who checks a teen's pulse by sticking his finger in her vajayjay is exploiting a system, I also do not think a doctor with full blown covid who shows up to work at the practice, and works for 5 hours (this is after being Covid positive for 4 days, and running a fever at work) is exploiting a system.  Those are full blown sociopaths.
About two weeks ago, I was within earshot when a registered nurse told her manager that she'd spent the weekend with her in-laws, who tested positive for covid-19. The RN had come in, worked her entire shift in an open office with multiple patients, and only brought it up because "she was trying to quarantine a bit", and wanted to know if her manager (who is an administrator not a medical professional) wanted her to wipe down her computer before she left.

Though I think that was more incompetence than sociopathy.

  Incompetence?  nah, she just wanted to make sure to show up and get paid, and she was willing to risk other people to get what she wanted.  She may not be a sociopath, but that is not incompetence.    For now though, I want to assume she had a covid test at least.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #502 on: August 24, 2021, 05:35:18 PM »
Not cool! https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-doctors-walkout-unvaccinated-patients-surge-2021-8

75 Florida doctors stage a walk out!? Just because they actually get to work. Not enough interns, nurses!? Now the Kings and Queens get to actually do some work and they’re staging a walk out. Shows a lot of people become doctors because mom, dad and ben. No sense of duty, no real purpose.

  Seems a little bit like the sort of thing that can endanger a medical license.  If not wanting to work on patients who, in the doctor's view take health risks is a no...Then I guess none of those doctors work on fat people, drug addicts, alcoholics, etc..
It was a symbolic walkout that lasted only a few minutes. The doctors likely had their cells on them and were never out of contact, and it's not like they are the ones directly caring for the patients under most circumstances (I seriously doubt any walked out during procedures, but let me know if you find any contrary evidence on that).

  I am sure none did, or would.  They were LARP'ing.  Which was why i was wondering about those licenses. 

  Edited to add: but if my sister-in-law moves to Florida and continues investigating doctors I am sure I can tell you all sorts of things un related to Covid right near you that might make your hair stand up.  Then again, I am sure you have a run in with a doctor of questionable character from time to time.
I read a bit more, the "walk out" was before the doctors began their shift. It was a public statdment, not a walk out.

And yes, I've met several people that have done questionable things in the medical field (although far more of them fall into high risk behaviors than outright malfeasance).

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #503 on: August 24, 2021, 05:37:02 PM »
My sister in law investigates for the State medical board when a doctor has a serious complaint against him/her.  Some of the shit I have heard the past year would make the hair on the back of your neck stand up.   I want to think most doctors go into the profession to be caretakers and help those in need.  But from her, and from what I hear from a nurse friend....seems a few sociopaths make the cut as well.
Bad incentives. The vast majority of doctors still become doctors because they want to help people, but the system in which they work focuses them on all the wrong things. And of course a few get into the business to exploit the system, rather than help.

Some dude was telling me that Doctors in the USA can be sued if they spend more time on one of their patients then another.

So take your 5 minutes and be grateful.
That's not entirely accurate, but I think you already know that.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #504 on: August 24, 2021, 06:03:35 PM »
My sister in law investigates for the State medical board when a doctor has a serious complaint against him/her.  Some of the shit I have heard the past year would make the hair on the back of your neck stand up.   I want to think most doctors go into the profession to be caretakers and help those in need.  But from her, and from what I hear from a nurse friend....seems a few sociopaths make the cut as well.
Bad incentives. The vast majority of doctors still become doctors because they want to help people, but the system in which they work focuses them on all the wrong things. And of course a few get into the business to exploit the system, rather than help.

Some dude was telling me that Doctors in the USA can be sued if they spend more time on one of their patients then another.

So take your 5 minutes and be grateful.
That's not entirely accurate, but I think you already know that.

Oh, so Doctors can not get sued for spending more time on one patient then another?

Good to know!
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #505 on: August 24, 2021, 07:20:18 PM »
Could be true, but that's less about doctors and more about the U.S.'s hilariously fucked up tort/civil suit system.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #506 on: August 24, 2021, 07:29:26 PM »
Not cool! https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-doctors-walkout-unvaccinated-patients-surge-2021-8

75 Florida doctors stage a walk out!? Just because they actually get to work. Not enough interns, nurses!? Now the Kings and Queens get to actually do some work and they’re staging a walk out. Shows a lot of people become doctors because mom, dad and ben. No sense of duty, no real purpose.

  Seems a little bit like the sort of thing that can endanger a medical license.  If not wanting to work on patients who, in the doctor's view take health risks is a no...Then I guess none of those doctors work on fat people, drug addicts, alcoholics, etc..
It was a symbolic walkout that lasted only a few minutes. The doctors likely had their cells on them and were never out of contact, and it's not like they are the ones directly caring for the patients under most circumstances (I seriously doubt any walked out during procedures, but let me know if you find any contrary evidence on that).

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #507 on: August 24, 2021, 07:42:38 PM »
  Well, I do not think a dude who checks a teen's pulse by sticking his finger in her vajayjay is exploiting a system, I also do not think a doctor with full blown covid who shows up to work at the practice, and works for 5 hours (this is after being Covid positive for 4 days, and running a fever at work) is exploiting a system.  Those are full blown sociopaths.
About two weeks ago, I was within earshot when a registered nurse told her manager that she'd spent the weekend with her in-laws, who tested positive for covid-19. The RN had come in, worked her entire shift in an open office with multiple patients, and only brought it up because "she was trying to quarantine a bit", and wanted to know if her manager (who is an administrator not a medical professional) wanted her to wipe down her computer before she left.

Though I think that was more incompetence than sociopathy.

  Incompetence?  nah, she just wanted to make sure to show up and get paid, and she was willing to risk other people to get what she wanted.  She may not be a sociopath, but that is not incompetence.    For now though, I want to assume she had a covid test at least.
If she was motivated by self-interest and a lack of concern for others, she shouldn't even have mentioned her in-laws. That weird confession and the bizarre reference to quarantining are what make me think it's incompetence. And a test wouldn't have shown anything, given the time frame.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #508 on: August 24, 2021, 07:48:00 PM »
  Well, I do not think a dude who checks a teen's pulse by sticking his finger in her vajayjay is exploiting a system, I also do not think a doctor with full blown covid who shows up to work at the practice, and works for 5 hours (this is after being Covid positive for 4 days, and running a fever at work) is exploiting a system.  Those are full blown sociopaths.
About two weeks ago, I was within earshot when a registered nurse told her manager that she'd spent the weekend with her in-laws, who tested positive for covid-19. The RN had come in, worked her entire shift in an open office with multiple patients, and only brought it up because "she was trying to quarantine a bit", and wanted to know if her manager (who is an administrator not a medical professional) wanted her to wipe down her computer before she left.

Though I think that was more incompetence than sociopathy.

  Incompetence?  nah, she just wanted to make sure to show up and get paid, and she was willing to risk other people to get what she wanted.  She may not be a sociopath, but that is not incompetence.    For now though, I want to assume she had a covid test at least.
If she was motivated by self-interest and a lack of concern for others, she shouldn't even have mentioned her in-laws. That weird confession and the bizarre reference to quarantining are what make me think it's incompetence. And a test wouldn't have shown anything, given the time frame.
Surprisingly, excessive details (like the in-laws bit) in a story tend to point towards intentional deception.

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« Reply #509 on: August 24, 2021, 07:57:35 PM »
  Well, I do not think a dude who checks a teen's pulse by sticking his finger in her vajayjay is exploiting a system, I also do not think a doctor with full blown covid who shows up to work at the practice, and works for 5 hours (this is after being Covid positive for 4 days, and running a fever at work) is exploiting a system.  Those are full blown sociopaths.
About two weeks ago, I was within earshot when a registered nurse told her manager that she'd spent the weekend with her in-laws, who tested positive for covid-19. The RN had come in, worked her entire shift in an open office with multiple patients, and only brought it up because "she was trying to quarantine a bit", and wanted to know if her manager (who is an administrator not a medical professional) wanted her to wipe down her computer before she left.

Though I think that was more incompetence than sociopathy.

  Incompetence?  nah, she just wanted to make sure to show up and get paid, and she was willing to risk other people to get what she wanted.  She may not be a sociopath, but that is not incompetence.    For now though, I want to assume she had a covid test at least.
If she was motivated by self-interest and a lack of concern for others, she shouldn't even have mentioned her in-laws. That weird confession and the bizarre reference to quarantining are what make me think it's incompetence. And a test wouldn't have shown anything, given the time frame.
Surprisingly, excessive details (like the in-laws bit) in a story tend to point towards intentional deception.
Probably a mix of all of them. She's an RN, she knows what quarantine means. And it's not something she learned in school and half-forgot, because the office she works in has had covid scares before, plus they give out Pfizer shots. Most likely, she made a bad medical decision, probably out of self-interest, felt guilty, and came up with a mangled half-justification, half-confession.