Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!

[3catcircus]

I do too. But its the need to turn a critical mass/geometry of people that is the difficult part.  IIRC, only about 10% of the colonials were involved in the whole throwing off the British yoke thing. We're so heterogeneous as nations now, it would take a much larger percentage to reach that critical mass) geometry.

The "British yoke" was incredibly light and absent-minded, not to mention that lots of British people agreed with the colonists. There was never more than a half-hearted attempt to retain the 13 Colonies, not when contrasted with the greater value from retaining India.

Furthermore, most of the fighting was between Americans, Loyalist versus Patriot militias. The Revolutionary War was primarily a civil war, rather than an independence war.

No doubt, but it just further illustrates how much more difficult it is to convince people that their situation can be different. They don't have to continue "taking it" if they would just expend a modicum of effort to do so.

I recall seeing a tweet or post (might have been here) about all of the pols in office for decades and a response from a non-USian along the lines of "don't you have to confirm they're staying by voting for them every 4 years?" This highlights both the fact that voting matters and that apathy in the face of a comfortable western lifestyle has allowed things to get so bad - and that the lack of accountability that comes with continued incumbency emboldens politicians and unelected bureaucrats to lie, cheat, and steal - at taxes, elections, and performance of duties.

[Zelen]

Extremely worthwhile read Jonathan Engler:

It is worth considering this counterfactual: imagine there was no virus at all, but that for some other reason (any will do) governments decided to institute a range of measures including:

• 
  Telling people not to attend healthcare if they had a cough, fever or other symptoms both to "protect" healthcare and also because any contact with healthcare would quite likely make you contract a deadly disease.
• Telling healthcare staff to isolate if they (or in some cases someone in their household) received a positive test for a certain illness, even if asymptomatic.
• Emptying beds in preparation for being "overwhelmed".
• Terrorizing and isolating elderly people especially those living in care homes, denying them visits from relatives and reducing or eliminating in-personal visits from health and social carers.
• Using the entire machinery of state plus all social media and legacy mainstream media channels to promote an exaggerated narrative of fear aimed at the public and spilling over into healthcare workers, when it is well established that stress has a number of adverse health effects, including immuno-suppression.
• Massive overuse of a treatment (ventilation) with no solid evidential basis, now known to be extremely harmful.

The implementation of such policies would result in protests in the streets with people declaring that "thousands of people will surely die", and no doubt they would have been right.

This is a really important observation when paired with the data now compellingly demonstrating that Sars-Cov-2/Covid-19 was in circulation before the "pandemic" started. The evidence from Italy corroborates the idea that the excess deaths suffered were in large part due to the measures taken.

[Kiero]

Extremely worthwhile read Jonathan Engler:

It is worth considering this counterfactual: imagine there was no virus at all, but that for some other reason (any will do) governments decided to institute a range of measures including:

• 
  Telling people not to attend healthcare if they had a cough, fever or other symptoms both to "protect" healthcare and also because any contact with healthcare would quite likely make you contract a deadly disease.
• Telling healthcare staff to isolate if they (or in some cases someone in their household) received a positive test for a certain illness, even if asymptomatic.
• Emptying beds in preparation for being "overwhelmed".
• Terrorizing and isolating elderly people especially those living in care homes, denying them visits from relatives and reducing or eliminating in-personal visits from health and social carers.
• Using the entire machinery of state plus all social media and legacy mainstream media channels to promote an exaggerated narrative of fear aimed at the public and spilling over into healthcare workers, when it is well established that stress has a number of adverse health effects, including immuno-suppression.
• Massive overuse of a treatment (ventilation) with no solid evidential basis, now known to be extremely harmful.

The implementation of such policies would result in protests in the streets with people declaring that "thousands of people will surely die", and no doubt they would have been right.

This is a really important observation when paired with the data now compellingly demonstrating that Sars-Cov-2/Covid-19 was in circulation before the "pandemic" started. The evidence from Italy corroborates the idea that the excess deaths suffered were in large part due to the measures taken.

There's a couple of additional strands missing from Engler's analysis:
1) Deliberate withholding of known, cheap, effective treatments (HCQ and Ivermectin), in order to justify the emergency use authorisation of the jabs.
2) A policy of what was effectively euthanasia of the elderly in care homes and hospitals, with abnormally outsized volumes of drugs like Midazolam used in 2020. Not just in the UK, but in New York state and other places, too.

[3catcircus]

Extremely worthwhile read Jonathan Engler:

It is worth considering this counterfactual: imagine there was no virus at all, but that for some other reason (any will do) governments decided to institute a range of measures including:

• 
  Telling people not to attend healthcare if they had a cough, fever or other symptoms both to "protect" healthcare and also because any contact with healthcare would quite likely make you contract a deadly disease.
• Telling healthcare staff to isolate if they (or in some cases someone in their household) received a positive test for a certain illness, even if asymptomatic.
• Emptying beds in preparation for being "overwhelmed".
• Terrorizing and isolating elderly people especially those living in care homes, denying them visits from relatives and reducing or eliminating in-personal visits from health and social carers.
• Using the entire machinery of state plus all social media and legacy mainstream media channels to promote an exaggerated narrative of fear aimed at the public and spilling over into healthcare workers, when it is well established that stress has a number of adverse health effects, including immuno-suppression.
• Massive overuse of a treatment (ventilation) with no solid evidential basis, now known to be extremely harmful.

The implementation of such policies would result in protests in the streets with people declaring that "thousands of people will surely die", and no doubt they would have been right.

This is a really important observation when paired with the data now compellingly demonstrating that Sars-Cov-2/Covid-19 was in circulation before the "pandemic" started. The evidence from Italy corroborates the idea that the excess deaths suffered were in large part due to the measures taken.

Excess deaths due to the measures taken is one thing. In the first months of 2020, doctors can be excused for not understanding that intubation wasn't going to be the cure-all. But by May of 2020, they all *knew* it was killing people instead of saving them.  They also somehow forgot a hundred+ years of basic medical knowledge - you know - like - isolation will result in an unchallenged immune system making people get sick from stuff that they wouldn't normally once they start interacting with others. Or that COVID - being just like every other coronavirus - would eventually mutate into being just another cold virus. Which it has. My wife felt sick last Friday and tested herself with a RAT. Positive. The rest of us in the house? Didn't get sick - even with no masking (and her coughing right in my face while we slept). Her symptoms? Headache, sore throat, mild fever, cough caused by post nasal drip, congestion. She went back to work the Tuesday following because no fever, feeling improved, and negative RAT.  4 days of a head cold.

Not to mention all of the people who died because they couldn't get surgeries or chemo or radiation. And the people who suicided because of no mental health care and forced isolation (especially in light of the experts and the elites not following the draconian measures they imposed on others like the Gavin Newsom French Laundry dinner, the Brit minister breaking quarantine to go fuck his side piece, etc.)

I'm convinced more and more that every single person in a position of authority who insisted upon these measures and pushed them on politicians (who are not all that bright. Cunning and deceitful, yes, but not all that bright) is complicit and they should all be rounded up and killed or enslaved. All of the politicians who blindly followed these recommended measures should be removed from office.

[Kiero]

Neil Ferguson wasn't a minister, he was an advisor. One who has consistently got it wrong, from crisis to crisis, his modelling has always been hugely pessimistic and out by orders of magnitude.

[Stephen Tannhauser]

Neil Ferguson wasn't a minister, he was an advisor. One who has consistently got it wrong, from crisis to crisis, his modelling has always been hugely pessimistic and out by orders of magnitude.

And that is always what elected politicians seize on, because the optics of having overreacted to a danger that turned out not to be as bad as everybody feared are always better than the optics of underreacting to a danger that turns out to be worse than anybody expected.

[Kiero]

And that is always what elected politicians seize on, because the optics of having overreacted to a danger that turned out not to be as bad as everybody feared are always better than the optics of underreacting to a danger that turns out to be worse than anybody expected.

There never was any danger. Coronaviruses are a nothing. They knew this, which is why they were happy to use it to trial all this authoritarian bullshit.

[Stephen Tannhauser]

There never was any danger. Coronaviruses are a nothing. They knew this, which is why they were happy to use it to trial all this authoritarian bullshit.

They certainly had no excuse for not figuring it out after a few months, but I remember the genuine panic in March 2020. The whole point of it being a novel coronavirus was that they didn't know if it was as harmless as known varieties.

(And if their intelligence apparati had reason to suspect it was a lab leak, a hypothesis I always thought and still think likely, they had no way to be sure it hadn't had its lethality deliberately ratcheted up by the gain-of-function experiments they knew that lab was doing, either -- the only source of data was China, and anyone who believes anything China's government says of itself at face value is ... inexperienced.)

Morbidly, I have to wonder which is the worse indictment: Knowing the bug isn't as dangerous as feared and outright lying, or simply not caring how dangerous it actually is because it can be spun to be a good excuse in any case?

[Ghostmaker]

Just in time to try and take the heat off the Democrats...

https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/09/biden-declares-the-pandemic-is-over/

I'm sure this has nothing to do with how Biden and the Dems are less popular than the preparation for a colonoscopy.

[3catcircus]

Just in time to try and take the heat off the Democrats...

https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/09/biden-declares-the-pandemic-is-over/

I'm sure this has nothing to do with how Biden and the Dems are less popular than the preparation for a colonoscopy.

Except President Klain immediately started backpedaling after his trained chimp Biden said that...

[Ghostmaker]

Just in time to try and take the heat off the Democrats...

https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/09/biden-declares-the-pandemic-is-over/

I'm sure this has nothing to do with how Biden and the Dems are less popular than the preparation for a colonoscopy.

Except President Klain immediately started backpedaling after his trained chimp Biden said that...

This happens a lot. Watching the White House suddenly backpedal after the zombie declared for defending Taiwan is fascinating in a horrific way.

The phrase that comes to mind is, 'Excuse me, who's in charge here?'.

[Kiero]

Those antivaxxers at the New England Journal of Medicine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2209371

Conclude that infection with covid (and subequent recovery) is far more effective than the jabs in children. And the protection offered by natural immunity is much longer lasting. Gosh, what a surprise!

Though they had to justify their funding by claiming the waning of immunity makes the case for boosters. Yeah, right.

[3catcircus]

Those antivaxxers at the New England Journal of Medicine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2209371

Conclude that infection with covid (and subequent recovery) is far more effective than the jabs in children. And the protection offered by natural immunity is much longer lasting. Gosh, what a surprise!

Though they had to justify their funding by claiming the waning of immunity makes the case for boosters. Yeah, right.

This.  No one realizes that the annual flu vax is only about 40% effective on average with the highest being 60% in one of the years.  Why would this be any different when the mutation rate is similar to flu...

Anecdotally: wife and I got original Pfizer clot shot in spring of 2021. Then entire family (me, wife, son, daughter) got delta in Sep 2021. Both kids had cold symptoms for about 3 days. Wife and I had fever, severe nasal congestion, no smell/taste, fatigue, and our SpO2% was around 96% (fun fact - that's right around the saturation where you feel like you can't get your breath - like you're in the mountains).  We both were given monoclonal antibodies. My daughter (13) decided she wanted covid shot after getting sick. Son (16) did not. Wife and I got booster in Dec at urging of our family doctor (who has otherwise been very critical of authorities re: HCQ and ivermectin - if it can't hurt, no reason not to try was his attitude).

After holidays Jan 2022, my son had headache and congestion. Tested positive. I got a slight fever and some muscle aches for half a day, along with change to certain tastes. Wife, daughter not sick.

Fast forward to 2 weeks ago. Wife had sore throat, slight fever, head cold symptoms. Tested positive. Lasted 4 days and then legacy cough. She coughed right in my face one night in our sleep the night before she woke up feeling sick. I did not get sick after 10 days (and still not). Daughter has COVID right now (not from wife since it had been 2 weeks between wife and her getting it). Probably got it at school. Sore throat, headache, stuffy nose. No fever. Boy has some congestion but refused to test himself.

Conclusion: it's a cold.

[Kiero]

This.  No one realizes that the annual flu vax is only about 40% effective on average with the highest being 60% in one of the years.  Why would this be any different when the mutation rate is similar to flu...

40% is a good year for the flu jab, some years it's been as low as 5%.

Anecdotally: wife and I got original Pfizer clot shot in spring of 2021. Then entire family (me, wife, son, daughter) got delta in Sep 2021. Both kids had cold symptoms for about 3 days. Wife and I had fever, severe nasal congestion, no smell/taste, fatigue, and our SpO2% was around 96% (fun fact - that's right around the saturation where you feel like you can't get your breath - like you're in the mountains).  We both were given monoclonal antibodies. My daughter (13) decided she wanted covid shot after getting sick. Son (16) did not. Wife and I got booster in Dec at urging of our family doctor (who has otherwise been very critical of authorities re: HCQ and ivermectin - if it can't hurt, no reason not to try was his attitude).

After holidays Jan 2022, my son had headache and congestion. Tested positive. I got a slight fever and some muscle aches for half a day, along with change to certain tastes. Wife, daughter not sick.

Fast forward to 2 weeks ago. Wife had sore throat, slight fever, head cold symptoms. Tested positive. Lasted 4 days and then legacy cough. She coughed right in my face one night in our sleep the night before she woke up feeling sick. I did not get sick after 10 days (and still not). Daughter has COVID right now (not from wife since it had been 2 weeks between wife and her getting it). Probably got it at school. Sore throat, headache, stuffy nose. No fever. Boy has some congestion but refused to test himself.

Conclusion: it's a cold.

With the change of seasons here in the UK, lots of people are going down with respiratory infections. That's normal at this time of year, I had a cold at the weekend.

The jabbed, however, are getting very ill, laid out for days or even weeks. I've never been jabbed, no change to my normal ability to shrug the sniffles off after a day or two.

[Stephen Tannhauser]

This.  No one realizes that the annual flu vax is only about 40% effective on average with the highest being 60% in one of the years.  Why would this be any different when the mutation rate is similar to flu...

40% is a good year for the flu jab, some years it's been as low as 5%.

Which is one reason I've never bothered getting flu shots. Why stick a needle in me every year to prevent something that I maybe get once every five to six years at most to begin with, and which typically was never more than a day or two of fever, chills, congestion and occasionally nausea, when it almost never has better than a 50-50 chance of working anyway?

I figured if COVID was still bad enough to justify the vaccines after a few years, or the vaccines had made a real effective long-term difference while still being mostly safe, I could afford to wait a year or two to see. At this point neither of those conditions obtains.