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Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
Reckall:
--- Quote from: Eirikrautha on January 22, 2022, 05:08:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Reckall on January 22, 2022, 04:34:34 PM ---
--- Quote from: TNMalt on January 22, 2022, 03:44:32 PM ---Depends. That person that didn't get vaxxed takes up an ICU bed that another patient could use.
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And a specialist or maybe a whole ward that should be devoted to something else (like Gynaecology or Oncology). Nothing beats to see some specialist for your non-Covid problem at 9PM with them deadly tired.
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You clearly have no idea how hospitals work. A obgyn doesn't get "pulled" to work in a covid ward.
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I clearly saw it happen. First, I have a cousin who is a big honcho in Gynaecology in a Florida hospital, and both she and other specialists were pulled from their daily jobs and sent in a "all hands on deck!" Covid emergency. Twice. I guess one can thank DeSantis for this change in the boring daily routine.
But, second, I don't even have to call my cousin, because I saw it happen live! I even wrote about it here (*). I was admitted in a Clinic for a (admittedly minor) surgery. At 10PM my specialist was explaining me the procedure. At 12PM I was told that I had to pack up and go home because the clinic had been declared a Covid ward and by 2:30PM it had to be ready for the first cases. Apparently the parent structure had been swamped with cases thanks to Omicron and the overflow kicked me back home. I'm still waiting for a new date.
In a way, both these cases show the divide between those who just had to confront the Real World(tm) and those who still have the luxury to be delusional. Pro tip: Covid and his impact happen in the Real World(tm).
The passage from delusion to reality, BTW, can be brutal. It usually generates appeals to the "Prayer Warriors" and disquieting posts on social media.
(*) Followers of this thread may remember how Kiero read about my misadventure and changed it to "Reckall had Covid" - thus giving us one more example of his reading comprehension problems.
--- Quote ---Your ignorant weaseling doesn't change the facts
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You don't know how much I would be happy to be able to change the facts through my "ignorant weaseling"...
--- Quote ---the covid vaccine doesn't stop covid transfer.
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Welcome to how vaccines work: the virus doesn't bounce off the body! Have you ever bothered to read beyond the first sentence?
--- Quote ---And US hospitals have more than enough beds
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But of course. When do you project that the States will reach the "1,000,000 Dead but Free!" goalpost?
Reckall:
--- Quote from: Pat on January 22, 2022, 07:53:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: 3catcircus on January 22, 2022, 07:21:07 PM ---What I don't get is the cognitive dissonance of those who demand someone else get vaccinated to protect them.
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Fear.
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This is one of the rare cases when I agree with you. Fear, true. I feared Covid since that day when I was eating in my favoured pub and I heard at the radio "It has been confirmed that this new virus can be transmitted while the victim is still fully asymptomatic." It was one of those "where you were when you heard about the Challenger?" moments.
In these two years I have been accused of "living in fear", "panicking" and being a "fear monger", and all these accuses are true - my point being "you have to panic before you get Covid, not after." Panicking after only generates harrowing posts on social media.
I lost my father to Covid before vaccines were available. My mother came to live with us (we have a big house) but that meant that for a long time I had her to think about. Last thing I wanted was to bring her the virus. She was and still is our local version of far-right and yet now she is fully jabbed. I guess that losing your husband of decades to Covid sobers you a bit.
I had two close friends who got Covid. One before vaxes were available. He ended up with months of conjunctivitis - not the best for a comic book artist. Another was anti-vax. When he got Covid the lab test said "our test detects the presence of all known variants of Covid" - something I didn't know was even possible. It was almost fun to read (OK, I laughed). Of course he panicked, started making lunatic demands (like asking to be vaxxed at once - of course he had the basic knowledge of delusions about vaxes that you can find in many posts here) and peed in his bed for two weeks (out of fear, not Covid).
Now he is fine again - and it comes without saying that, since he didn't die, he is deriding Covid again (while searching on the internet when he will be able to get his first jab).
And... you know the fun thing? During these two years I was able to run a Call of Cthulhu campaign (*), go to the movies, eat again in my favourite pub, have a Summer vacation in France and, basically, have a semblance of normality in my life. Of course the pandemic sux and lockdowns and other restriction are not fun, and maybe you will get Covid anyway. But the precautions you have to take are exceedingly simple - as long as you are not an idiot.
And that's it. Yes, Pat, you are right. I'm fearing Covid right now. I look forward to the day I will not need to.
(*) An interesting side note from that campaign was that the investigators were involved in a car crash. The question "Did cars in the 1920s had seat belts?" spurned some research. It turned out that in the '20s you had to ask for belt as an optional. They became part of every car in the '50s. When this happened, screams of "seatbelts are against my freedom!" promptly arose and some smartos even cut them and made a point of throwing the seatbelt in front of the local Governor office (or mayor, or liege...) Note how their use wasn't even mandatory.
So, if precautions against caving your head in a car crash were "against freedom", imagine precautions against something much, much less dangerous - like a virus. Something out of Nazi Germany, obviously.
Pat
BANNED:
--- Quote from: Reckall on January 23, 2022, 02:32:52 PM ---And... you know the fun thing? During these two years I was able to run a Call of Cthulhu campaign (*), go to the movies, eat again in my favourite pub, have a Summer vacation in France and, basically, have a semblance of normality in my life. Of course the pandemic sux and lockdowns and other restriction are not fun, and maybe you will get Covid anyway. But the precautions you have to take are exceedingly simple - as long as you are not an idiot.
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So what do you think those precautions are? Which ones work, and which ones don't? Also, how deadly is covid-19, because an effective response requires measuring the trade offs? You're using personal anecdotes, but those are just the equivalent of "but what about the children" screams. Policy needs to be based on data, not on fear.
Kiero:
I've enjoyed more than a "semblance" of normal life by ignoring the restrictions entirely and going about my business as much as I was able to.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Kiero:
--- Quote from: Reckall on January 23, 2022, 01:28:42 PM ---Welcome to how vaccines work: the virus doesn't bounce off the body! Have you ever bothered to read beyond the first sentence?
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You really are a fucking moron, aren't you? Real immunity prevents infection entirely. Yes, the measles vaccine is "only" 93% effective, as in only in 93% of instances does the virus "bounce off the body". But the 7% are instances where some quirk of the individual's immune system prevents it functioning the way it does for everyone else.
Meanwhile the covid jabs are only around 1% effective at preventing an infection, because they're not a vaccine. The flu jab manages somewhere between 5% and 40%, the latter in years they guess the strains right. It is at least harmless, whilst being useless, where the covid jabs are extremely harmful.
--- Quote from: Reckall on January 23, 2022, 02:32:52 PM ---(*) An interesting side note from that campaign was that the investigators were involved in a car crash. The question "Did cars in the 1920s had seat belts?" spurned some research. It turned out that in the '20s you had to ask for belt as an optional. They became part of every car in the '50s. When this happened, screams of "seatbelts are against my freedom!" promptly arose and some smartos even cut them and made a point of throwing the seatbelt in front of the local Governor office (or mayor, or liege...) Note how their use wasn't even mandatory.
So, if precautions against caving your head in a car crash were "against freedom", imagine precautions against something much, much less dangerous - like a virus. Something out of Nazi Germany, obviously.
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And of course you'd produce the retarded seatbelt analogy. Seatbelts actually work. They can be removed, you don't wear them all the time. Your lack of seatbelt doesn't affect the functioning of anyone else's seatbelt. There is literally no parallel between seatbelts and covid jabs.
Not that it stops smug twats producing this stupid analogy to "win" arguments. Even though it doesn't fit.
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