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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1110 on: January 12, 2022, 03:17:51 PM »
Estimate is 10 years' worth of mutations based upon well-documented  natural mutation rates
I am sceptical that there is some universal "expected" natural mutation rate for viruses. Mutation rates for Covid are one thing researchers have been working to determine. Not, I think, settled, but possibly double previous estimated rates.
Especially given that the mutation rate for something like a virus isn't just a factor of time, but of population. If it's been stuck in a lab where there are only a relatively small number of viruses, it's not going to be mutating very quickly. But if it's out there in the wild, the mutation rate will surge with infections. So I'm very skeptical of that estimated age.
Here's a good Twitter link to some of his discussion on this.

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1480048230775808001

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1480576072802615299

I note I had a typo - I should have said 3 years - *before* Delta.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1111 on: January 12, 2022, 03:35:50 PM »
The Ethical Skeptic has done some regression analysis on the number of mutations in Omicron - far too many to have been a mutation from Delta.  Estimate is 10 years' worth of mutations based upon well-documented  natural mutation rates - implying either Omicron was engineered or that it is older than even the original SARS-COV2.

Implications are - was this engineered and released to *be* a vaccine since it appears to be as transmissible as measles but is causing very minor symptoms for most everyone who gets it? Was it a lab leak of a precursor strain (SARS-COV2 being newer, but having been leaked first)?

Do you have a link for that? I didn't find it from search. It is widely documented that Omicron has an unusually large number of mutations. A competing theory for why is that it had additional mutation time from living in immuno-compromised hosts -- and Africa has a large number of immuno-compromised people because of the prevalence of HIV. In patients with a healthy immune system, the virus has only a limited time window to mutate before it is fought off by the immune system. In immuno-compromised people, though, the virus could live for over a year and develop many more mutations.

https://stanforddaily.com/2022/01/09/stanford-covid-19-case-suggests-possible-link-between-omicron-variant-and-hiv/

No, I couldn't find a link either, except for a couple tweets. And tweets are as informative as ... Well...tweets.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1112 on: January 12, 2022, 03:42:00 PM »
Estimate is 10 years' worth of mutations based upon well-documented  natural mutation rates
I am sceptical that there is some universal "expected" natural mutation rate for viruses. Mutation rates for Covid are one thing researchers have been working to determine. Not, I think, settled, but possibly double previous estimated rates.
Especially given that the mutation rate for something like a virus isn't just a factor of time, but of population. If it's been stuck in a lab where there are only a relatively small number of viruses, it's not going to be mutating very quickly. But if it's out there in the wild, the mutation rate will surge with infections. So I'm very skeptical of that estimated age.
Here's a good Twitter link to some of his discussion on this.

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1480048230775808001

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1480576072802615299

I note I had a typo - I should have said 3 years - *before* Delta.

Hi, cross-posting I guess, sorry. But I've seen those tweets. Anything more substantive than tweets?

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1113 on: January 12, 2022, 03:54:02 PM »
Estimate is 10 years' worth of mutations based upon well-documented  natural mutation rates
I am sceptical that there is some universal "expected" natural mutation rate for viruses. Mutation rates for Covid are one thing researchers have been working to determine. Not, I think, settled, but possibly double previous estimated rates.
Especially given that the mutation rate for something like a virus isn't just a factor of time, but of population. If it's been stuck in a lab where there are only a relatively small number of viruses, it's not going to be mutating very quickly. But if it's out there in the wild, the mutation rate will surge with infections. So I'm very skeptical of that estimated age.
Here's a good Twitter link to some of his discussion on this.

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1480048230775808001

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1480576072802615299

I note I had a typo - I should have said 3 years - *before* Delta.

Hi, cross-posting I guess, sorry. But I've seen those tweets. Anything more substantive than tweets?

I'd recommend cracking open a cold one or pouring two fingers and just browse his feed.  The veracity becomes evident quickly.  No selling a narrative, just presenting factual statistics and asking questions.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1114 on: January 12, 2022, 04:07:47 PM »
Estimate is 10 years' worth of mutations based upon well-documented  natural mutation rates
I am sceptical that there is some universal "expected" natural mutation rate for viruses. Mutation rates for Covid are one thing researchers have been working to determine. Not, I think, settled, but possibly double previous estimated rates.
Especially given that the mutation rate for something like a virus isn't just a factor of time, but of population. If it's been stuck in a lab where there are only a relatively small number of viruses, it's not going to be mutating very quickly. But if it's out there in the wild, the mutation rate will surge with infections. So I'm very skeptical of that estimated age.
Here's a good Twitter link to some of his discussion on this.

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1480048230775808001

https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1480576072802615299

I note I had a typo - I should have said 3 years - *before* Delta.

Hi, cross-posting I guess, sorry. But I've seen those tweets. Anything more substantive than tweets?

I'd recommend cracking open a cold one or pouring two fingers and just browse his feed.  The veracity becomes evident quickly.  No selling a narrative, just presenting factual statistics and asking questions.

Ok thanks. I'm down for cracking open a cold one or pouring two fingers, but to read someone's Twitter feed? That requires pouring more fingers than I possess. I'll wait for the beef, thanks.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1115 on: January 12, 2022, 04:09:04 PM »
This was an interesting talk, from the lunch break of a conference, a panel of doctors talking about the contents of the jabs. Or more specifically, the few things they do know are in it which alarm them: https://rumble.com/vqyxyl-so-docs...whats-really-in-the-damn-vaccines.html?
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1116 on: January 12, 2022, 04:42:52 PM »
The Ethical Skeptic has done some regression analysis on the number of mutations in Omicron - far too many to have been a mutation from Delta.  Estimate is 10 years' worth of mutations based upon well-documented  natural mutation rates - implying either Omicron was engineered or that it is older than even the original SARS-COV2.

Implications are - was this engineered and released to *be* a vaccine since it appears to be as transmissible as measles but is causing very minor symptoms for most everyone who gets it? Was it a lab leak of a precursor strain (SARS-COV2 being newer, but having been leaked first)?

Do you have a link for that? I didn't find it from search. It is widely documented that Omicron has an unusually large number of mutations. A competing theory for why is that it had additional mutation time from living in immuno-compromised hosts -- and Africa has a large number of immuno-compromised people because of the prevalence of HIV. In patients with a healthy immune system, the virus has only a limited time window to mutate before it is fought off by the immune system. In immuno-compromised people, though, the virus could live for over a year and develop many more mutations.

https://stanforddaily.com/2022/01/09/stanford-covid-19-case-suggests-possible-link-between-omicron-variant-and-hiv/
There's also the possibility it might be another lab leak, this time from Durban in South Africa. The timing fits (the lab had plasma from early covid-19 patients, i.e. roughly when Omicron split from the other variants), so does the nature of the lab (the lab has been involved in immune escape, and also works in HIV), and obviously that's the country where Omicron was first detected. But it's still highly speculative.

https://twitter.com/ydeigin/status/1467006051358810112
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1117 on: January 12, 2022, 05:48:17 PM »
This was an interesting talk, from the lunch break of a conference, a panel of doctors talking about the contents of the jabs. Or more specifically, the few things they do know are in it which alarm them: https://rumble.com/vqyxyl-so-docs...whats-really-in-the-damn-vaccines.html?

Cool. The purpose of this link seems to be to get you to enroll in the HOW TO CHANGE 10-Day Course and "discover the key to lasting transformation in our life. "

$297 for the ten day course, but 30% off when you use the coupon code. Um, great thanks.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1118 on: January 12, 2022, 06:01:12 PM »
The Ethical Skeptic has done some regression analysis on the number of mutations in Omicron - far too many to have been a mutation from Delta.  Estimate is 10 years' worth of mutations based upon well-documented  natural mutation rates - implying either Omicron was engineered or that it is older than even the original SARS-COV2.

Implications are - was this engineered and released to *be* a vaccine since it appears to be as transmissible as measles but is causing very minor symptoms for most everyone who gets it? Was it a lab leak of a precursor strain (SARS-COV2 being newer, but having been leaked first)?

Do you have a link for that? I didn't find it from search. It is widely documented that Omicron has an unusually large number of mutations. A competing theory for why is that it had additional mutation time from living in immuno-compromised hosts -- and Africa has a large number of immuno-compromised people because of the prevalence of HIV. In patients with a healthy immune system, the virus has only a limited time window to mutate before it is fought off by the immune system. In immuno-compromised people, though, the virus could live for over a year and develop many more mutations.

https://stanforddaily.com/2022/01/09/stanford-covid-19-case-suggests-possible-link-between-omicron-variant-and-hiv/
There's also the possibility it might be another lab leak, this time from Durban in South Africa. The timing fits (the lab had plasma from early covid-19 patients, i.e. roughly when Omicron split from the other variants), so does the nature of the lab (the lab has been involved in immune escape, and also works in HIV), and obviously that's the country where Omicron was first detected. But it's still highly speculative.

https://twitter.com/ydeigin/status/1467006051358810112

I think it's true the origins of Omicron are still elusive, so maybe. All things are possible. My own suspicion is that it originated in West Africa, possibly Nigeria, before it was discovered in South Africa, but again highly speculative, I can't support that. And now it looks like it's been retroactively identified in wastewater samples from Nova Scotia a month before it was first detected in South Africa. Did it originate there? It seems unlikely, for several reasons, but not impossible. who knows at at this point

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1119 on: January 12, 2022, 06:48:06 PM »
I think it's true the origins of Omicron are still elusive, so maybe. All things are possible. My own suspicion is that it originated in West Africa, possibly Nigeria, before it was discovered in South Africa, but again highly speculative, I can't support that. And now it looks like it's been retroactively identified in wastewater samples from Nova Scotia a month before it was first detected in South Africa. Did it originate there? It seems unlikely, for several reasons, but not impossible. who knows at at this point
I think it's safe to say we're still in the data collecting phase when it comes to the origin of Omicron.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1120 on: January 12, 2022, 08:59:26 PM »
I think it's true the origins of Omicron are still elusive, so maybe. All things are possible. My own suspicion is that it originated in West Africa, possibly Nigeria, before it was discovered in South Africa, but again highly speculative, I can't support that. And now it looks like it's been retroactively identified in wastewater samples from Nova Scotia a month before it was first detected in South Africa. Did it originate there? It seems unlikely, for several reasons, but not impossible. who knows at at this point
I think it's safe to say we're still in the data collecting phase when it comes to the origin of Omicron.

Considering that there are frozen blood samples containing the original strain from well before the initial pandemic, it begs the question.  If it turns out that it really was a lab leak from research funded by Fauci by way of Dasczak, or some type of chimeric based upon Baric's work, then they all need to be arrested and have a fair trial followed by a fair execution.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1121 on: January 13, 2022, 09:45:51 PM »
This was an interesting talk, from the lunch break of a conference, a panel of doctors talking about the contents of the jabs. Or more specifically, the few things they do know are in it which alarm them: https://rumble.com/vqyxyl-so-docs...whats-really-in-the-damn-vaccines.html?

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Many people are curious to know what the ingredients are for the three currently available COVID-19 vaccines in the US.
Here is a breakdown of the three COVID vaccines and their ingredients:

    Pfizer Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Pfizer vaccine is:
    mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2
    [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-
    phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium
    phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.
    The Pfizer vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.

     Moderna Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Moderna vaccine is:
    Messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), lipids (SM-102, polyethylene glycol [PEG] 2000
    dimyristoyl glycerol [DMG], cholesterol, and 1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine [DSPC]),
    tromethamine,tromethamine hydrochloride, acetic acid, sodium acetate trihydrate, and sucrose.
    The Moderna vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.

    Johnson & Johnson Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is:
    Recombinant, replication-incompetent adenovirus type 26 expressing the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein,
    citric acid monohydrate, trisodium citrate dihydrate, ethanol, 2 hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin (HBCD),
    polysorbate-80, sodium chloride.
    The Johnson & Johnson vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.


For some reason these so-called "doctors" don't know the ingredients of the vaccines.
Yet apparently I was able to find it.
I don't see graphene oxide or graphene hydroxide nor do I see self-assemblying nanobots.
Of course like all good non-falsifiable conspiracy theories, "THEY" are not going to tell you the truth about the secret sauce that is set to kill you or take control of your mind with nano bots.
Nevermind the thousands of people who would have to remain silent at these three companies in order to hide these secret ingredients.
 







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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1122 on: January 14, 2022, 08:23:26 AM »
For some reason these so-called "doctors" don't know the ingredients of the vaccines.
Yet apparently I was able to find it.
I don't see graphene oxide or graphene hydroxide nor do I see self-assemblying nanobots.
Of course like all good non-falsifiable conspiracy theories, "THEY" are not going to tell you the truth about the secret sauce that is set to kill you or take control of your mind with nano bots.
Nevermind the thousands of people who would have to remain silent at these three companies in order to hide these secret ingredients.

You trust known fraudsters, good luck with that! As for people not speaking out, they tend not to do that until it affects them. Which is why, with "no jab, no job" looming in April for all healthcare workers in this country, we now have a lot of them speaking out.

Those of you who've been genetically modified (unless you had AZ) can now check whether you were one of those unfortunates who got a bad batch: https://howbadismybatch.com/

Something like 90% of the worst adverse effects can be traced to 10% of the batches administered.

Meanwhile in Scotland, does it show that it's working that the majority being admitted are double-jabbed: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19843315.covid-scotland-case-rates-lowest-unvaccinated-double-jabbed-elderly-drive-rise-hospital-admissions/
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1123 on: January 14, 2022, 11:26:09 AM »
This was an interesting talk, from the lunch break of a conference, a panel of doctors talking about the contents of the jabs. Or more specifically, the few things they do know are in it which alarm them: https://rumble.com/vqyxyl-so-docs...whats-really-in-the-damn-vaccines.html?

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Many people are curious to know what the ingredients are for the three currently available COVID-19 vaccines in the US.
Here is a breakdown of the three COVID vaccines and their ingredients:

    Pfizer Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Pfizer vaccine is:
    mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2
    [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-
    phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium
    phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.
    The Pfizer vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.

     Moderna Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Moderna vaccine is:
    Messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), lipids (SM-102, polyethylene glycol [PEG] 2000
    dimyristoyl glycerol [DMG], cholesterol, and 1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine [DSPC]),
    tromethamine,tromethamine hydrochloride, acetic acid, sodium acetate trihydrate, and sucrose.
    The Moderna vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.

    Johnson & Johnson Vaccine: The full list of ingredients for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is:
    Recombinant, replication-incompetent adenovirus type 26 expressing the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein,
    citric acid monohydrate, trisodium citrate dihydrate, ethanol, 2 hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin (HBCD),
    polysorbate-80, sodium chloride.
    The Johnson & Johnson vaccine does not contain eggs, preservatives, or latex.


For some reason these so-called "doctors" don't know the ingredients of the vaccines.
Yet apparently I was able to find it.
I don't see graphene oxide or graphene hydroxide nor do I see self-assemblying nanobots.
Of course like all good non-falsifiable conspiracy theories, "THEY" are not going to tell you the truth about the secret sauce that is set to kill you or take control of your mind with nano bots.
Nevermind the thousands of people who would have to remain silent at these three companies in order to hide these secret ingredients.

It would probably be helpful for the non-sciencey types if they were to explain what a lipid is. And whether or not these are engineered lipids or Crisco...  *That's* why people are talking about nanonbots - these lipids are synthetic nanoparticles that encapsulate the mRNA until it gets inside the body - where the difference in pH results in the mRNA being released.  In essence, it's a weight loss ad: "When it enters your body, the fat just melts right off!  But wait, there's more!!"


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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #1124 on: January 14, 2022, 11:53:57 AM »
Does it show the jabs are working that the majority of people reporting positive results are jabbed?



Makes me laugh, I've had covid once a year the past few years, yet the jabbed seem to get it repeatedly.
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