How I Ended Up Here

TheFailedSave · March 24, 2015, 06:25:23 AM

Hello everyone, and forgive me if I've post this in an inappropriate forum. Also forgive me as this may be a little long winded.

I'm a long time gamer who enjoys traditional style RPGs (D&D, Traveller, BRP, SW, etc.) I have been trying for years to find an online community to discuss games and geek related material, but I've not been able to do so for reasons I will explain below.

I've tried on two separate occasions to make RPG.net the home of my expression. However, both times I was unfairly reprimanded by their staff. The first time was because I suggested that publishers were using crowd funding in a manner that it was not designed for. I suggested that if someone wanted to publish an RPG, that they should write the damn thing first (or have substantial work done) before asking the community for money. I was told that this was a personal attack because they thought I suggested that a writer's time was not worth my money. I was given a formal warning. I was so pissed I left the site.

After that I spent some time on the WoTC and EN world forums but they are, obviously, rather narrowly focused. When I tired of those I decided to try RPG.net again only to receive yet another "punishment" from moderators. This time somebody posted a question about how to get the narrative fiddly bits of The Strix Chronicle to work. I replied that I thought it really didn't work that well and encouraged the poster to try the less "high brow" system from The Masquerade instead. This opinion, apparently, was an offensive attack on Onyx Path and also "thread crapping."

I was quite pissed by then and saw a topic ban on RPG.net on some characters called theRPGpundit and Zak S. Now, I don't really know who these people are (other than that they are not welcome on RPG.net) but I thought the site of one of those people might be a place for me to vent about how pissed I am at RPG.net.

Anyway, thank you for listening to my rant and I hope this is a community that will suit my needs.

jeff37923 · March 24, 2015, 07:47:14 AM

Welcome aboard!

MrHurst · March 24, 2015, 08:24:10 AM

Quote from: TheFailedSave;821690The first time was because I suggested that publishers were using crowd funding in a manner that it was not designed for. I suggested that if someone wanted to publish an RPG, that they should write the damn thing first (or have substantial work done) before asking the community for money. I was told that this was a personal attack because they thought I suggested that a writer's time was not worth my money. I was given a formal warning. I was so pissed I left the site.

That's funny, I was on the other side of that argument a while back(most of my kickstarters are video games that simply wouldn't happen without serious up front funding, I carry my willingness to throw money off the bridge to RPGs I really want to see happen) and the popular opinion seemed to very much be with you on kickstarter being less a flying leap and more a glorified pre-order measuring mechanism. Think I got groused at over that comparison.

Anyway, hello, the guys around here have all kinds of thoughts on things and are rarely shy to express them, which will probably suit you fine.

One Horse Town · March 24, 2015, 09:02:58 AM

Welcome, now go talk about games!

TheFailedSave · March 24, 2015, 09:03:02 AM

Quote from: MrHurst;821704That's funny, I was on the other side of that argument a while back(most of my kickstarters are video games that simply wouldn't happen without serious up front funding, I carry my willingness to throw money off the bridge to RPGs I really want to see happen) and the popular opinion seemed to very much be with you on kickstarter being less a flying leap and more a glorified pre-order measuring mechanism. Think I got groused at over that comparison.

Anyway, hello, the guys around here have all kinds of thoughts on things and are rarely shy to express them, which will probably suit you fine.

First, thank you all for the welcome.

As far as my Kickstarter issues go, they were rather specific to writing. As an avid hobby writer and somebody who writes reports daily in my career, I don't see why I should support a product that has little to no text written. The only capitol required for text is a low end computer. There are free word processors, operating systems, and web based writing aides (I use all of the above at times.) Art, layout, printing, and advertising certainly cost money and that should be what the kickstarter pays for. Editing can potentiality cost as well, but most publishers seem to save money in this category. I could come up with a really cool RPG pitch today and put it up on KS with not a thought to text yet. Would you give me money for it?

As for video games, that's a different story. As I can prove with my existence, any monkey with a type writer can produce text cheaply with even a modest education. Just about everything involved with creating a (video) game will cost money after the concept stage.

Opaopajr · March 24, 2015, 10:21:27 AM

Welcome! Go, populate our RPG boards with more game diversity! Active voices, now with real opinions!, are encouraged.

ArrozConLeche · March 24, 2015, 10:29:42 AM

Quote from: TheFailedSave;821690I suggested that if someone wanted to publish an RPG, that they should write the damn thing first (or have substantial work done) before asking the community for money.

I happen to agree with this a hundred percent. That's why I love the way Sine Nomine does their kickstarters.

MrHurst · March 24, 2015, 12:52:23 PM

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;821722I happen to agree with this a hundred percent. That's why I love the way Sine Nomine does their kickstarters.

I should probably own up in that they're the only RPG book kickstarters I've backed. Worth every cent too.

Critias · March 24, 2015, 01:21:01 PM

Quote from: TheFailedSave;821690... I thought the site of one of those people might be a place for me to vent about how pissed I am at RPG.net.

You're certainly in the right place for that, yeah.

Snowman0147 · March 24, 2015, 02:10:23 PM

Welcome to the forum TheFailedSave. As for the nWoD second edition (aka God Machine Chronicles and The Strixx Chronicles) I have made this blog post in my own blog.

Novastar · March 25, 2015, 02:10:45 AM

In the style of X-men comics:
Welcome to the Adult Swim, TheFailedSave. Hope you survive the experience!

TheFailedSave · March 25, 2015, 03:02:59 AM

Thanks again everyone! I will look at that nWoD blog post soon. You know, for being a bunch of miscreants and haters (according to rpg.net) you guys don't seem so bad J/K

RPGPundit · March 25, 2015, 03:05:44 AM

Quote from: TheFailedSave;821917Thanks again everyone! I will look at that nWoD blog post soon. You know, for being a bunch of miscreants and haters (according to rpg.net) you guys don't seem so bad J/K

Welcome to theRPGsite, speaking as owner and one of rpgnet's two main Public Enemies.

You're welcome to bitch about rpgnet here, but we hope you'll also spend more time posting about RPGs over on the main forum!

thedungeondelver · March 25, 2015, 03:34:24 PM

Also don't forget that if you disagree with Pundit or any of the other mods and want to call him/them a bunch of shitheads feel free to do so; it's not gonna get you banned.

RPGPundit · March 26, 2015, 01:47:45 AM

Quote from: thedungeondelver;822054Also don't forget that if you disagree with Pundit or any of the other mods and want to call him/them a bunch of shitheads feel free to do so; it's not gonna get you banned.

No it won't, so long as you're not derailing entire scores of threads just to do it.