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« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2015, 09:00:08 AM »
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Jeff (above) is also incorrect about the perception of this place as antisocial. You only need to see the number of threads that get locked here, for toxicity, in this nominally "anything goes" forum.



You know, the freedom to post what you think without fear here does not mean that this site embraces anarchy.
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« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2015, 01:25:33 AM »
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You know, the freedom to post what you think without fear here does not mean that this site embraces anarchy.


I wouldn't disagree with that. There's a lot of good stuff here.

But assuming Critias' maths is correct, this site is definitely embracing something.
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« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2015, 01:37:45 AM »
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I wouldn't disagree with that. There's a lot of good stuff here.

But assuming Critias' maths is correct, this site is definitely embracing something.


If you have something to say, please say it, so noone have to guess what you are referring to.
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« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2015, 02:04:41 AM »
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If you have something to say, please say it, so noone have to guess what you are referring to.


Seriously?



I suggested that this place can be anti-social, can be toxic. But like every site, if you watch where you put your feet you will be fine.

People pushed back hard against that.


I presented evidence - closures by OHT and closures by the Pundit himself, closures for reasons of toxicity - and that wasn't accepted.


I then pointed out Critias' post which provides statistical proof that the priorities of this place are severely fucked up....and apparently it's me that's being obtuse.

FFS.




To take things back to the OP, if he(?) had merely pitched the viewpoint that funding RPG Kickstarters that weren't already written was a bad idea, he probably would never have found this place.

I think that's unfortunate for a couple of reasons, there's some fantastic stuff here. This review is great, for example.

Hell, for all his bloviating, Pundit is actually a relatively small part of the dialogue here, and I suspect he is delighted by that.



RPGsite shouldn't be such a leper colony. And yet, on an fairly regular basis, it covers itself in yet another shower of shit.
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« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2015, 02:35:08 AM »
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Seriously?

I suggested that this place can be anti-social, can be toxic. But like every site, if you watch where you put your feet you will be fine.

People pushed back hard against that.

I presented evidence - closures by OHT and closures by the Pundit himself, closures for reasons of toxicity - and that wasn't accepted.

I then pointed out Critias' post which provides statistical proof that the priorities of this place are severely fucked up....and apparently it's me that's being obtuse.

FFS.

To take things back to the OP, if he(?) had merely pitched the viewpoint that funding RPG Kickstarters that weren't already written was a bad idea, he probably would never have found this place.

I think that's unfortunate for a couple of reasons, there's some fantastic stuff here. This review is great, for example.

Hell, for all his bloviating, Pundit is actually a relatively small part of the dialogue here, and I suspect he is delighted by that.

RPGsite shouldn't be such a leper colony. And yet, on an fairly regular basis, it covers itself in yet another shower of shit.


Hm, one in a hundred threads closed ... and you mean that is not including threads posted in Pundit's forum that the Pundit isn't interested in?

Because that was my impression that the pushback was about.
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« Reply #50 on: June 02, 2015, 03:29:39 AM »
This site is friendlier than RPGnet.

So there's that.

Can it frequently be hostile? Sure, but only insomuch as any poster here has the choice in engaging in any of that. There's not much in the way of harassment by any stretch of the imagination, but lots of people who aren't afraid of, or even obsessively engage in, debate on any level. Myself included in some circumstances. Hell, even that link to Critais's whinging post almost induced a retroactive response from me. I doubt however, one would find many frequent examples in the forums here of anyone being hostile to a poster who isnt instigating that. You get from these forums what you bring to them.

Do controversial subjects cause more frequent responses than simple game discussion? Of course. Duh. Human nature. If one hasnt figured that out, they are not tall enough for the Internet Ride. That doesn't mean that Pundit's forum is comparable to Tangency, especially in that the largest problem most posters here have with Tangency is its bleed over into Tabletop Open, something Pundit and the mods here are pretty on top of preventing with prejudice.
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« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2015, 05:29:41 AM »
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I then pointed out Critias' post which provides statistical proof that the priorities of this place are severely fucked up....and apparently it's me that's being obtuse.



While i think you have a point generally, which is no great revelation to posters here, as i think we have too much off-topic discussion, i find it hard to take your objections to heart.

For example, if we click on your user-name and choose 'find all posts by motorskills' (which anyone can do to any user if they fancy, it isn't some super-secret mod-power), we find that only 26 of your 101 posts here are directly related to gaming talk in the main forum. The rest is on threads like this one, which you are currently decrying.

I suggest to everyone that doesn't like this stuff to be the change you want on the forum. I've been making an effort lately to ignore pretty much everything on Pundit's forum as off-topic and of no interest to me. Do that and focus on the gaming side of the site and much of the unpleasant stuff goes away - not all of it, but most.

Start some threads about your games, and the systems you like. Check out all of Aos's threads and give him encouragement in his endeavors. Talk about Kickstarters you're backing, or campaigns you're preparing for, like Keiro and Skywalker. Post about your miniatures like Tristram or the dungeondelver or sandbox play like Estar and others or whatever floats your boat in gaming.

Do that and you'll find the place more enjoyable, even if you object to some of the content here. Pundit's job is to troll for page-clicks, some like it some don't, but at least stop and buy a doughnut before pissing off and moaning to the local council about the nutter on the corner ranting at passers-by.

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« Reply #52 on: June 02, 2015, 10:36:14 AM »
I don't post much in any gaming (sub)forum. Doesn't mean I don't read the threads.

edit: but point taken, be the change you want to see. :)
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« Reply #53 on: June 02, 2015, 11:20:14 AM »
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I don't post much in any gaming (sub)forum. Doesn't mean I don't read the threads.

You - "A lot of you chumps are toxic wankers!"

Others, wankers or not, - "Fuck off Motorskills!"

You - "Critias proved it!"

Others, wankers or not, - "Ignore the shit in Pundit's forum then."

Me - "Ignore Pundit's forum and post about games and you avoid a lot of the toxic wank"

You - "I don't post much about games, but i read lots of threads."

Me - "..."

Edit: Good, you get it and got an edit in while i writing this post.

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« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2015, 09:27:51 PM »
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Hello everyone, and forgive me if I've post this in an inappropriate forum.  Also forgive me as this may be a little long winded.

I'm a long time gamer who enjoys traditional style RPGs (D&D, Traveller, BRP, SW, etc.) I have been trying for years to find an online community to discuss games and geek related material, but I've not been able to do so for reasons I will explain below.

I've tried on two separate occasions to make RPG.net the home of my expression. However, both times I was unfairly reprimanded by their staff. The first time was because I suggested that publishers were using crowd funding in a manner that it was not designed for. I suggested that if someone wanted to publish an RPG, that they should write the damn thing first (or have substantial work done) before asking the community for money. I was told that this was a personal attack because they thought I suggested that a writer's time was not worth my money. I was given a formal warning. I was so pissed I left the site.

After that I spent some time on the WoTC and EN world forums but they are, obviously, rather narrowly focused. When I tired of those I decided to try RPG.net again only to receive yet another "punishment" from moderators. This time somebody posted a question about how to get the narrative fiddly bits of The Strix Chronicle to work. I replied that I thought it really didn't work that well and encouraged the poster to try the less "high brow" system from The Masquerade instead. This opinion, apparently,  was an offensive attack on Onyx Path and also "thread crapping."

I was quite pissed by then and saw a topic ban on RPG.net on some characters called theRPGpundit and Zak S. Now, I don't really know who these people are (other than that they are not welcome on RPG.net) but I thought the site of one of those people might be a place for me to vent about how pissed I am at RPG.net.

Anyway, thank you for listening to my rant and I hope this is a community that will suit my needs.


Welcome to a place where dissent is okay.  I'm an utter a-hole on here at times and haven't  been banned or received any of those snotty "warnings" in bold red self-impressed type.

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« Reply #55 on: June 06, 2015, 04:03:24 AM »
Nothing's locked for toxicity.  It's moved from another forum when it's off topic and it gets shut down in "Pundit's forum" when Pundit isn't interested in it.  The exception being talking about Stormfront and Pedo stuff and that's a legality thing.
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