Here's your Mask Protocol

[Kiero]

So does the mask prevent virus exposure or not? If you take your argument to the logical end, the immune system "suffers" because it hasn't been exposed (i.e., the masks block exposure). Is that your argument now?

No, it does fuck all, but it's included in the same set of pointless "measures" that purport to control the virus. Avoiding people prevents exposure, except avoiding people suppresses your immune system. The "cure" is worse than the issue it supposedly solves.

Kiero lives in multiple universes, and occupies whichever one in that moment best matches his world view for that particular argument. If the topic is "masks reduce the spread of viruses" he's living in the universe where masks are entirely ineffective at preventing viruses from spreading. If however the topic is "working out your immune system with minor viruses so it's a stronger overall immune system" then he lives in the universe where masks are effective at stopping the spread of viruses and therefore suppress the immune system by preventing exposure to minor viruses.

Kiero is also a cat which is both alive and dead.

Nope, none of the measures really matter, nor are they proportionate against a virus as trivial as a coronavirus. Mysteriously, despite ignoring them all entirely, I'm not dead, have never been seriously ill with covid, nor has anyone around me.

[HappyDaze]

So does the mask prevent virus exposure or not? If you take your argument to the logical end, the immune system "suffers" because it hasn't been exposed (i.e., the masks block exposure). Is that your argument now?

No, it does fuck all, but it's included in the same set of pointless "measures" that purport to control the virus. Avoiding people prevents exposure, except avoiding people suppresses your immune system. The "cure" is worse than the issue it supposedly solves.

Kiero lives in multiple universes, and occupies whichever one in that moment best matches his world view for that particular argument. If the topic is "masks reduce the spread of viruses" he's living in the universe where masks are entirely ineffective at preventing viruses from spreading. If however the topic is "working out your immune system with minor viruses so it's a stronger overall immune system" then he lives in the universe where masks are effective at stopping the spread of viruses and therefore suppress the immune system by preventing exposure to minor viruses.

Kiero is also a cat which is both alive and dead.

Nope, none of the measures really matter, nor are they proportionate against a virus as trivial as a coronavirus. Mysteriously, despite ignoring them all entirely, I'm not dead, have never been seriously ill with covid, nor has anyone around me.

You're not dead, but it seems pretty apparent that Covid has caused you some lasting brain injury.

[Kiero]

You're not dead, but it seems pretty apparent that Covid has caused you some lasting brain injury.

I'm not the one engaging in the mass delusion that the world changed in 2020 and the seasonal viruses we see every single year have suddenly become lethal pathogens.

[HappyDaze]

You're not dead, but it seems pretty apparent that Covid has caused you some lasting brain injury.

I'm not the one engaging in the mass delusion that the world changed in 2020 and the seasonal viruses we see every single year have suddenly become lethal pathogens.

Where have I discussed a shift in the severity of endemic pathogens?

[Mistwell]

So does the mask prevent virus exposure or not? If you take your argument to the logical end, the immune system "suffers" because it hasn't been exposed (i.e., the masks block exposure). Is that your argument now?

No, it does fuck all, but it's included in the same set of pointless "measures" that purport to control the virus. Avoiding people prevents exposure, except avoiding people suppresses your immune system. The "cure" is worse than the issue it supposedly solves.

Kiero lives in multiple universes, and occupies whichever one in that moment best matches his world view for that particular argument. If the topic is "masks reduce the spread of viruses" he's living in the universe where masks are entirely ineffective at preventing viruses from spreading. If however the topic is "working out your immune system with minor viruses so it's a stronger overall immune system" then he lives in the universe where masks are effective at stopping the spread of viruses and therefore suppress the immune system by preventing exposure to minor viruses.

Kiero is also a cat which is both alive and dead.

Nope, none of the measures really matter, nor are they proportionate against a virus as trivial as a coronavirus. Mysteriously, despite ignoring them all entirely, I'm not dead, have never been seriously ill with covid, nor has anyone around me.

I am starting to think you're just a narcissist. It would explain the myopia where you think you're good, so everyone must be like you. Because you view the world as Kiero-centric.

[DocJones]

Moreover, when you compare covid deaths in that population
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
18-29yo = 3376
30-39yo = 9755

to the deaths from car accidents (2019)
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/historical-fatality-trends/deaths-by-age-group/
15-24yo = 6031
25-44yo = 12204

Masking cars to protect them from accidents is just as effective as masking people to protect them from the KungFlu.

[HappyDaze]

Moreover, when you compare covid deaths in that population
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
18-29yo = 3376
30-39yo = 9755

to the deaths from car accidents (2019)
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/historical-fatality-trends/deaths-by-age-group/
15-24yo = 6031
25-44yo = 12204

Masking cars to protect them from accidents is just as effective as masking people to protect them from the KungFlu.

Might prevent getting bugs caught in your grill. This applies to both masking cars and masking people.

[Kiero]

Where have I discussed a shift in the severity of endemic pathogens?

Where every single post you make is in support of the narrative, which requires us to believe covid is a new, novel infection which justifies any of this biosecurity theatre.

I am starting to think you're just a narcissist. It would explain the myopia where you think you're good, so everyone must be like you. Because you view the world as Kiero-centric.

You already convinced me you're thick as shit and guzzling up everything you're told to by your "trusted sources". Doesn't surprise me, I know of many lawyers who think they're smarter than they actually are.

I am good, because I'm healthy. Unlike all the fat, lazy morons around the place terrified of the sniffles.

[HappyDaze]

Where have I discussed a shift in the severity of endemic pathogens?

Where every single post you make is in support of the narrative, which requires us to believe covid is a new, novel infection which justifies any of this biosecurity theatre.

I am starting to think you're just a narcissist. It would explain the myopia where you think you're good, so everyone must be like you. Because you view the world as Kiero-centric.

You already convinced me you're thick as shit and guzzling up everything you're told to by your "trusted sources". Doesn't surprise me, I know of many lawyers who think they're smarter than they actually are.

I am good, because I'm healthy. Unlike all the fat, lazy morons around the place terrified of the sniffles.

You believe that Covid-19 is not a novel infection. OK... How many infections and deaths did it cause in 2018?

[Kiero]

You believe that Covid-19 is not a novel infection. OK... How many infections and deaths did it cause in 2018?

How many deaths did it actually cause in 2020, without them inventing an entirely new method of measurement (death by any cause within 28/60 days of a positive test)?

[HappyDaze]

You believe that Covid-19 is not a novel infection. OK... How many infections and deaths did it cause in 2018?

How many deaths did it actually cause in 2020, without them inventing an entirely new method of measurement (death by any cause within 28/60 days of a positive test)?

Irrelevant. By any measure, Covid-19 caused more deaths from 2019-present that at any date before 2019.

[Kiero]

Irrelevant. By any measure, Covid-19 caused more deaths from 2019-present that at any date before 2019.

Utterly vital a question, because the "covid deaths" figure is concocted bollocks. Anyone who died from absolutely anything, but happened to test positive within the last month/two months is included. That's bullshit.

I refer back to the Freedom of Information request responded to a while back by a Birmingham hospital trust. 98% of those who died "with" covid were killed by their underlying condition, not by covid.

[KingCheops]

Irrelevant. By any measure, Covid-19 caused more deaths from 2019-present that at any date before 2019.

Utterly vital a question, because the "covid deaths" figure is concocted bollocks. Anyone who died from absolutely anything, but happened to test positive within the last month/two months is included. That's bullshit.

I refer back to the Freedom of Information request responded to a while back by a Birmingham hospital trust. 98% of those who died "with" covid were killed by their underlying condition, not by covid.

I'd love to see the death rate of the regular seasonal flu if the standards were the same as Covid.  Namely that if someone died within 28/60 days of a positive influenza test then they died of influenza and they get tested for influenza when they pass.

[HappyDaze]

Irrelevant. By any measure, Covid-19 caused more deaths from 2019-present that at any date before 2019.

Utterly vital a question, because the "covid deaths" figure is concocted bollocks. Anyone who died from absolutely anything, but happened to test positive within the last month/two months is included. That's bullshit.

I refer back to the Freedom of Information request responded to a while back by a Birmingham hospital trust. 98% of those who died "with" covid were killed by their underlying condition, not by covid.

You're still dodging. Show me evidence of Covid-19 infections and deaths prior to 2019. If Covid-19 is an endemic infection as you suggest rather than something novel/new, surely you can find some evidence that it has been inecting (and killing) people for a long time.

[deadDMwalking]

I know at least one person that died of Covid and not something else.  They had no comorbidities. 

I had a great uncle that spent 3 months on a respirator due to Covid and it clearly wasn't something else.  Fortunately, he survived, but it's pretty clear that the experience has negatively impacted his cognitive function. 

I'd argue that if anything, Covid deaths were undercounted.  BUT, you don't need to take my word for it. 

One way to talk about the impact of COVID is to estimate how many deaths are typical, and compare them to the number of deaths that have actually occurred.  Obviously, if there are MORE deaths than expected, you'd want to look for reasons.  More traffic accidents?    Turns out that the best explanation for an increase that fits the data is COVID. 

Between March 1, 2020, and January 2, 2021, the US experienced 2 801 439 deaths, 22.9% more than expected, representing 522 368 excess deaths

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