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Author Topic: Here's your Mask Protocol  (Read 34628 times)

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #600 on: July 28, 2021, 02:42:56 PM »
I didn't hedge anything. I was working with the 1-4 million range (which matches the range in Wikipedia, which despite its problems, is certainly more authoritative than an financial newspaper article on a disease), and assumed the geometric median (i.e. 2 million) when I posted, not the min. That almost perfectly matches the current worldwide covid-19 death toll, supporting my argument they were in the same tier. I didn't bother to adjust for changes in the world's population, which would roughly double the 1967 flu's numbers, so my bias was in favor of a larger covid-19 death toll. I also pointed out that covid-19 is still an active pandemic, so the numbers will increase, further favoring covid-19. In other words, I looked at the range of deaths from multiple strong sources, made the reasonable assumption the best number was somewhere in the middle, and made assumptions that favored the position I wasn't supporting.
Uh, no. Rawma is a fuckwit, but there's a reason you don't use Wikipedia as a primary source for, well, most anything. Might want to rethink this angle if you're sourcing from those retards.
I can see how that could be read the wrong way. Wikipedia is as valuable as its sources, which in this case is the WHO (the 1-4 million range comes from their Risk Management guidance). I mentioned WP instead to highlight that even WP is a better source on diseases than Bloomberg. Rawma was using a financial newspaper to correct the CDC about a pandemic.
Fair enough. But then, I always assume Rawma is wrong anyways :)
Not about everything, but it's impossible to carry on a conversation even in areas where we might agree because Rawma is more interested in tearing other people down than the facts.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #601 on: July 28, 2021, 06:46:47 PM »
Yeah honestly I won't even respond to someone like that. Some degree of good faith is necessary to having a discussion.

Pretty fascinating thread I discovered earlier. A lot of discussion about why masks don't work, but also connects dots on a lot of things I hadn't even thought about, like how closing down schools and demanding kids get vaccinated for a disease that is less harmful to them than the flu disproportionately harms low-income families.

Apparently India has had 4 serosurveys testing population for Covid antibodies, and 2/3 of people are revealing antibodies. The pathetic cronies at the CDC don't have the stomach to even do one here in the US.

Some moreanalysis of vaccine effectiveness data reveals some of the sleight-of-hand used to generate the headline grabbing 90%+ effectiveness numbers.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #602 on: July 28, 2021, 07:04:47 PM »
  Only a fucktard compares polio, measles, smallpox, and lockjaw to covid.   

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« Reply #603 on: July 28, 2021, 07:18:51 PM »
The whole school thing is a nightmare. It was clear very early on that the bus ride to school was a greater risk than covid-19 for the under 18 crowd, that remote learning was an absolutely catastrophic failure, and that kids were almost never infecting adults. But a sob story about a single kid was enough to shut down thousands of schools across multiple states. School age kids have lost more than a year of education, which will hurt them for their entire lifetime. We're sacrificing the well being of almost every kid in the country because of irrational fear mongering, which has been championed by the teacher's unions.

And it's always the low-income kids who are worst hit. They're the least likely to have internet. The least likely to have parents with technical skills. They live in the smallest houses or apartments, so there's less room to set up study areas. Since their caretakers are poorer, there's less of a financial buffer to buy the computers and desks and other things they need. They're less likely to be able to afford tutors or babysitters. They're more likely to be forced to move, due to lost jobs or skyrocketing rents. They're more likely to have lapses in their insurance coverage. And on and on. It's a very long list.

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« Reply #604 on: July 28, 2021, 07:21:36 PM »
The whole school thing is a nightmare. It was clear very early on that the bus ride to school was a greater risk than covid-19 for the under 18 crowd, that remote learning was an absolutely catastrophic failure, and that kids were almost never infecting adults. But a sob story about a single kid was enough to shut down thousands of schools across multiple states. School age kids have lost more than a year of education, which will hurt them for their entire lifetime. We're sacrificing the well being of almost every kid in the country because of irrational fear mongering, which has been championed by the teacher's unions.

And it's always the low-income kids who are worst hit. They're the least likely to have internet. The least likely to have parents with technical skills. They live in the smallest houses or apartments, so there's less room to set up study areas. Since their caretakers are poorer, there's less of a financial buffer to buy the computers and desks and other things they need. They're less likely to be able to afford tutors or babysitters. They're more likely to be forced to move, due to lost jobs or skyrocketing rents. They're more likely to have lapses in their insurance coverage. And on and on. It's a very long list.

  Honorable societies sacrifice the old to make way for the young.  Evil, satanic ones sacrifice the young for the old.

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« Reply #605 on: July 28, 2021, 10:41:55 PM »
Honorable societies sacrifice the old to make way for the young.  Evil, satanic ones sacrifice the young for the old.
Very true, and very wise.

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« Reply #606 on: July 29, 2021, 03:28:25 AM »
The whole school thing is a nightmare. It was clear very early on that the bus ride to school was a greater risk than covid-19 for the under 18 crowd, that remote learning was an absolutely catastrophic failure, and that kids were almost never infecting adults. But a sob story about a single kid was enough to shut down thousands of schools across multiple states. School age kids have lost more than a year of education, which will hurt them for their entire lifetime. We're sacrificing the well being of almost every kid in the country because of irrational fear mongering, which has been championed by the teacher's unions.

And it's always the low-income kids who are worst hit. They're the least likely to have internet. The least likely to have parents with technical skills. They live in the smallest houses or apartments, so there's less room to set up study areas. Since their caretakers are poorer, there's less of a financial buffer to buy the computers and desks and other things they need. They're less likely to be able to afford tutors or babysitters. They're more likely to be forced to move, due to lost jobs or skyrocketing rents. They're more likely to have lapses in their insurance coverage. And on and on. It's a very long list.

  Honorable societies sacrifice the old to make way for the young.  Evil, satanic ones sacrifice the young for the old.
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« Reply #607 on: July 29, 2021, 03:35:29 AM »
  Only a fucktard compares polio, measles, smallpox, and lockjaw to covid.

I had H1N1 back in 2010.  Nearly killed me.  Well, I thought I was going to die.  I didn't.  H1N1 and Covid are more similar, I believe.  I think H1N1 made my immune system a bit more ready to cope with Covid.  Got the vaccine anyway.  Not a guarantee.  The Flu Vaccine isn't a guarantee either.  Anything I can do prevent an awful illness, I try it...

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #608 on: July 29, 2021, 11:30:43 AM »
  Only a fucktard compares polio, measles, smallpox, and lockjaw to covid.

I had H1N1 back in 2010.  Nearly killed me.  Well, I thought I was going to die.  I didn't.  H1N1 and Covid are more similar, I believe.  I think H1N1 made my immune system a bit more ready to cope with Covid.  Got the vaccine anyway.  Not a guarantee.  The Flu Vaccine isn't a guarantee either.  Anything I can do prevent an awful illness, I try it...

Glad to hear you made it through the swine flu.  Those are MUCH worse despite being similar families.  Biden, according to Obama and others in the administration, badly mismanaged that one too.  Covid is in the same family but doesn't appear to be anywhere near as bad.

I'm kind of the flipside of you.  I never get the flu shot so I don't see the point of this glorified flu shot.  If I had the same life experiences as you or were old/obese (I'm fat at 28 BMI but not in the OMG Covid is going to kill you brackets) I'd be more willing to expose myself to long term health effects of untested new technologies.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #609 on: July 29, 2021, 01:34:36 PM »
The current vaccines have quite high efficacy and efficiency; no vaccine has ever been perfect. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. A saving throw of 2 versus infection is better than was expected; the delta variant seems to have a pretty high save without vaccination. Preventing severe illness, hospitalization and death for those who roll a 1 is a pure bonus (damage resistance, I guess).

I'm curious; did you just tough out polio, tetanus, measles, and (if you're old enough) smallpox?

They don't work at all. If you're talking about the "95%+" effective figures, that's marketing bullshit (otherwise known as the relative risk reduction figure). The actual risk reduction figure is around 1% for all of them, because they do precisely fuck all to stop people getting infected. Funny that the only other "vaccine" I'm aware of that similarly provides no immunity is the one for flu.

Meanwhile, the vaccines for polio, tetanus, measles and TB for the most part actually stop you getting infected. Small variations in individual biochemistry which mean some might not take, aside. Nice attempt to paint me as anti-vaccine, though.

In fairness, the CDC says the following about tetanus vaccination so maybe that could count as a Kiero-approvable perfect vaccine:
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Today, diphtheria and tetanus are at historic low rates in the United States. No one has ever studied the efficacy of tetanus toxoid and diphtheria toxoid in a vaccine trial. However experts infer efficacy from protective antitoxin levels. A complete vaccine series has a clinical efficacy of virtually 100% for tetanus and 97% for diphtheria. A complete series is 3 doses for people 7 years or older and 4 doses for children younger than 7.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/dtap-tdap-td/hcp/about-vaccine.html

So many people rejecting proven vaccines this year were clamoring last year for hydroxychloroquine with only a little anecdotal evidence. SMH.

A treatment that actually works in practise, you mean? As opposed to non-vaccines that haven't even finished trials.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #610 on: July 29, 2021, 06:29:29 PM »
...that remote learning was an absolutely catastrophic failure...
In one sense it was successful in that parents got to see some of the bullshit that was being pushed on their children.


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« Reply #611 on: July 30, 2021, 02:12:16 AM »
  Only a fucktard compares polio, measles, smallpox, and lockjaw to covid.

I had H1N1 back in 2010.  Nearly killed me.  Well, I thought I was going to die.  I didn't.  H1N1 and Covid are more similar, I believe.  I think H1N1 made my immune system a bit more ready to cope with Covid.  Got the vaccine anyway.  Not a guarantee.  The Flu Vaccine isn't a guarantee either.  Anything I can do prevent an awful illness, I try it...

Glad to hear you made it through the swine flu.  Those are MUCH worse despite being similar families.  Biden, according to Obama and others in the administration, badly mismanaged that one too.  Covid is in the same family but doesn't appear to be anywhere near as bad.

I'm kind of the flipside of you.  I never get the flu shot so I don't see the point of this glorified flu shot.  If I had the same life experiences as you or were old/obese (I'm fat at 28 BMI but not in the OMG Covid is going to kill you brackets) I'd be more willing to expose myself to long term health effects of untested new technologies.
Thank You!

What's interesting is they posted signs back in 2009-2010 from the Health Department.  It advised us that they were tracking a virus outbreak in Mexico.  We were urged to wash our hands frequently and to wear masks.  Where I work, there is one of those signs still in the bathroom. Oh my!  Swine Flu got political too? No, not really.  A virus doesn't really care about your politics.  It just needs cozy place to live for awhile. 

So, I get your point. 

I got the vaccine because I hoped it would help me to never get that sick again.  So, far I have not become ill.  Though, I can not say if it is merely my immune system is working or it is the vaccine or both or if the aliens that control us want me to live. ;)

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #612 on: July 30, 2021, 12:32:03 PM »
I got the vaccine because I hoped it would help me to never get that sick again.  So, far I have not become ill.  Though, I can not say if it is merely my immune system is working or it is the vaccine or both or if the aliens that control us want me to live. ;)

My wife's of the same thinking as you.  She got the jabs because she wanted to make sure she didn't get that sick.

I haven't had the heart to explain to her where the vaccine ends up in your system or the warnings medical researchers are sending out about long term effects.

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« Reply #613 on: July 30, 2021, 01:25:55 PM »
Long term effects? No one even knows what the medium term effects are. We have millions of people with only months of exposure to these treatments to go on.

Be interesting to see what happens to them in the autumn when the next round of seasonal respiratory viruses appears.
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« Reply #614 on: August 12, 2021, 02:10:20 AM »
  Only a fucktard compares polio, measles, smallpox, and lockjaw to covid.

I had H1N1 back in 2010.  Nearly killed me.  Well, I thought I was going to die.  I didn't.  H1N1 and Covid are more similar, I believe.  I think H1N1 made my immune system a bit more ready to cope with Covid.  Got the vaccine anyway.  Not a guarantee.  The Flu Vaccine isn't a guarantee either.  Anything I can do prevent an awful illness, I try it...

Glad to hear you made it through the swine flu.  Those are MUCH worse despite being similar families.  Biden, according to Obama and others in the administration, badly mismanaged that one too.  Covid is in the same family but doesn't appear to be anywhere near as bad.

I'm kind of the flipside of you.  I never get the flu shot so I don't see the point of this glorified flu shot.  If I had the same life experiences as you or were old/obese (I'm fat at 28 BMI but not in the OMG Covid is going to kill you brackets) I'd be more willing to expose myself to long term health effects of untested new technologies.
Thank You!

What's interesting is they posted signs back in 2009-2010 from the Health Department.  It advised us that they were tracking a virus outbreak in Mexico.  We were urged to wash our hands frequently and to wear masks.  Where I work, there is one of those signs still in the bathroom. Oh my!  Swine Flu got political too? No, not really.  A virus doesn't really care about your politics.  It just needs cozy place to live for awhile. 

So, I get your point. 

I got the vaccine because I hoped it would help me to never get that sick again.  So, far I have not become ill.  Though, I can not say if it is merely my immune system is working or it is the vaccine or both or if the aliens that control us want me to live. ;)
Nah. Your name suggests you're one of David Icke's UNDERGROUND REPTILLIANS! So, no need for any aliens, since you're obviously already one. (On a side note, I'M an undead Litch called Trevor. Small world, eh?)  ;D
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