Here's your Mask Protocol

[Mistwell]

The shamdemic will only end when the people stop it.

Preferably in blood.

And punish not just the politicians and the press who spread the WuFlu bullshit and the fear, but for every fucking loser with an ounce of power to force children to suffer with masks and panic that will cost them so dearly in mental and emotional damage for the rest of their lives.

But definitely go get your experimental vax so you can win your most deserved place in the VAERS lottery.

Oh look, a CDC whistleblower says the vax death count is 45,000 in a new lawsuit
https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/07/lawsuit-filed-today-accusing-government-of-hiding-more-than-45000-dead-americans-from-the-jab

Although 45k is rookie numbers. The experimental gene therapy might become a real hoot in the medium and long term if the previous animal tests of mRNA have any bearing on the future.

But don't expect a drop of sympathy from us in the "control group".

[Pat]

^ You do realize the number of vaccine-related deaths reported to VAERS is over 11,000? And for most vaccines, the estimate is VAERS only captures 1 in 100 deaths? 45,000 is a conservative estimate.

[Pat]

So, immediately with the fake news. Highest mortality rate since WW2, and you immediately go to claiming it was artificially inflated death figures. Facts will not get in the way of your beliefs.

The Hong Kong flu in 1967 killed up to 4 million people, and the world's population was less than half today's. When adjusted for population, that's more than twice the death toll of covid-19 so far. So the fake news is flatly and absolutely stating that covid-19 is the worst since WW2.

The most accurate statement is that covid-19 is much less dangerous than the 1918 pandemic, but so far is roughly equivalent to the next tier of pandemics that occurred in the 20th century.

It's a US number not a worldwide number (I have no idea how it compares to the worldwide numbers) and it's accurate.

Since you won't simply click on the article here it is:

U.S. life expectancy ....

Are you confusing me with another poster? You made a false claim about the mortality rate, I pointed out you were wrong, and explained why. I didn't say a thing about the overall reduction in lifespans. That's a different topic.

It's the same topic. Mortality rate increases reduce lifespans. That's what the article is talking about.

Mortality rate does reduce lifespan. But they're two different topics, and you were still wrong about the mortality rate.

[Ghostmaker]

Hey, Mistwell:

https://reason.com/volokh/2021/02/26/cdc-estimated-a-one-year-decline-in-life-expectancy-in-2020-not-so-try-five-days/

LOL.

[Kiero]

I'm laughing my arse off at the "pingdemic" going on at the moment. What kind of brain-dead muppet would install government spyware that tells them to lock themselves up in the first place?

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vallance-corrects-mistake-to-say-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-12359317

Try keeping up to date.

Sly Views? You're having a laugh, aren't you? Like I believe any of the shite pumped out of there.

Vallance is a liar who accidentally told the truth about double-jabbed being most of the patients in hospital with covid. Public Health England released the data before the conference, that's exactly what it says. The only "correction" he had any business making was admitting it was closed to 63% rather than his sloppily rounded 60.

Almost like the jabs are useless. Or worse still the narrow and highly specific form of "immunity" they offer has already been overcome by a mutation of the virus. Whereas those of us who are unjabbed, but had covid and recovered still have broad spectrum immunity to all the manifestations of the virus.

I've had worse cases of flu than the so-called Delta variant.

It will be interesting to see the difference in Wuhan virus infections between England and Scotland with the recent lifting of mandatory mask wearing in England after freedom day.

Infections or "cases"? Because cases are total bullshit.

[yancy]

So liberals willing to lie endlessly to prove a point, link to articles where people lie to prove a point, and get in a huff when people can't be bothered to read them :/

Meanwhile, liberals who think that 'steal' and 'legally acquire' mean the same thing, also think that 'mortality rate' and 'life span' mean the same thing.

While the former is just business as usual, the latter demonstrates a small degree of improvement. I'm optimistic for the future.

[Shasarak]

It will be interesting to see the difference in Wuhan virus infections between England and Scotland with the recent lifting of mandatory mask wearing in England after freedom day.

Infections or "cases"? Because cases are total bullshit.

I dont mind.  What ever you think proves your point.

[martinjpayne]

Vallance is a liar who accidentally told the truth about double-jabbed being most of the patients in hospital with covid. Public Health England released the data before the conference, that's exactly what it says. The only "correction" he had any business making was admitting it was closed to 63% rather than his sloppily rounded 60.

Can you post a link to the released data please, or we'll have to presume you're talking shit. All Public Health England documents are available on-site, so it should be easy for you to find a link... 🤷‍♂️

[moonsweeper]

I'm laughing my arse off at the "pingdemic" going on at the moment. What kind of brain-dead muppet would install government spyware that tells them to lock themselves up in the first place?

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vallance-corrects-mistake-to-say-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-12359317

Try keeping up to date.

Sly Views? You're having a laugh, aren't you? Like I believe any of the shite pumped out of there.

Vallance is a liar who accidentally told the truth about double-jabbed being most of the patients in hospital with covid. Public Health England released the data before the conference, that's exactly what it says. The only "correction" he had any business making was admitting it was closed to 63% rather than his sloppily rounded 60.

Almost like the jabs are useless. Or worse still the narrow and highly specific form of "immunity" they offer has already been overcome by a mutation of the virus. Whereas those of us who are unjabbed, but had covid and recovered still have broad spectrum immunity to all the manifestations of the virus.

I've had worse cases of flu than the so-called Delta variant.

It will be interesting to see the difference in Wuhan virus infections between England and Scotland with the recent lifting of mandatory mask wearing in England after freedom day.

Infections or "cases"? Because cases are total bullshit.

Have they started testing differently for Covid between the "people with the jab" vs "people without the jab" yet?
That's the stunt the CDC is pulling over here...

[HappyDaze]

I'm laughing my arse off at the "pingdemic" going on at the moment. What kind of brain-dead muppet would install government spyware that tells them to lock themselves up in the first place?

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vallance-corrects-mistake-to-say-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-12359317

Try keeping up to date.

Sly Views? You're having a laugh, aren't you? Like I believe any of the shite pumped out of there.

Vallance is a liar who accidentally told the truth about double-jabbed being most of the patients in hospital with covid. Public Health England released the data before the conference, that's exactly what it says. The only "correction" he had any business making was admitting it was closed to 63% rather than his sloppily rounded 60.

Almost like the jabs are useless. Or worse still the narrow and highly specific form of "immunity" they offer has already been overcome by a mutation of the virus. Whereas those of us who are unjabbed, but had covid and recovered still have broad spectrum immunity to all the manifestations of the virus.

I've had worse cases of flu than the so-called Delta variant.

It will be interesting to see the difference in Wuhan virus infections between England and Scotland with the recent lifting of mandatory mask wearing in England after freedom day.

Infections or "cases"? Because cases are total bullshit.

Have they started testing differently for Covid between the "people with the jab" vs "people without the jab" yet?
That's the stunt the CDC is pulling over here...

My system still tests everyone preoperative and with suggestive s/s regardless of patient's vaccination status. Within the facilities, everyone masks regardless of vaccination status. Respirators and face shields are used when when working with r/o or confirmed cases, regardless of employee's vaccination status.

[Zelen]

Figured it might be worth dropping this here

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

[Mistwell]

Figured it might be worth dropping this here

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

This is, of course, self selecting only the stuff which backs up their view, and excluding anything which does not support their view. Making it intentionally deceptive at best. Tons of studies conclude otherwise, but none are on that page. Gosh I wonder why.

Here is a very small smattering of the very many studies which go the other way, none of which happened to be on that page by some "mysterious" reason:

[dkabq]

Figured it might be worth dropping this here

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

This is, of course, self selecting only the stuff which backs up their view, and excluding anything which does not support their view. Making it intentionally deceptive at best. Tons of studies conclude otherwise, but none are on that page. Gosh I wonder why.

Here is a very small smattering of the very many studies which go the other way, none of which happened to be on that page by some "mysterious" reason:

And that list "mysteriously" excludes anything which does not support its view.   

What I would like to see is all work presented and critiqued.

[Zelen]

Much of the

Here is a very small smattering of the very many studies which go the other way, none of which happened to be on that page by some "mysterious" reason:

Thanks for posting that, it's actually important to be familiar with both sides of these arguments. I've seen some criticism of many of the studies here which leads me to not have confidence in their results.

For example, most of these are not controlled studies. Wang et al, is one of the stronger studies demonstrating compelling results for mask-wearing. However its focus is on individuals who wear masks in their own home -- Most people do not do this. Are the "~80%" protective effects stated actually a result of mask wearing, or is it because we have a self-selected group of people with abnormal personal & social habits (or other confounding factors)?

FWIW I have no personal objection to wearing masks if masks are actually effective. I just don't think we have strong evidence that they are effective, or that the positive effects of mask wearing are worth sacrificing personal liberty or other negative health impacts that result from mask mandates. For example, when I see people freaking out or police officers assaulting people who aren't wearing masks -- At what threshold of effectiveness are we okay with inflicting physical violence on people who don't wear masks?

[oggsmash]

Much of the

Here is a very small smattering of the very many studies which go the other way, none of which happened to be on that page by some "mysterious" reason:

Thanks for posting that, it's actually important to be familiar with both sides of these arguments. I've seen some criticism of many of the studies here which leads me to not have confidence in their results.

For example, most of these are not controlled studies. Wang et al, is one of the stronger studies demonstrating compelling results for mask-wearing. However its focus is on individuals who wear masks in their own home -- Most people do not do this. Are the "~80%" protective effects stated actually a result of mask wearing, or is it because we have a self-selected group of people with abnormal personal & social habits (or other confounding factors)?

FWIW I have no personal objection to wearing masks if masks are actually effective. I just don't think we have strong evidence that they are effective, or that the positive effects of mask wearing are worth sacrificing personal liberty or other negative health impacts that result from mask mandates. For example, when I see people freaking out or police officers assaulting people who aren't wearing masks -- At what threshold of effectiveness are we okay with inflicting physical violence on people who don't wear masks?

    Seems like a my body my choice sort of thing.   If a person is so worried about getting sick the sight of an unmasked person drives them to feel the force of law needs to be applied, perhaps they just need to stay shut in.