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Author Topic: Here's your Mask Protocol  (Read 18416 times)

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #525 on: July 21, 2021, 06:07:46 PM »
So, immediately with the fake news. Highest mortality rate since WW2, and you immediately go to claiming it was artificially inflated death figures. Facts will not get in the way of your beliefs.

Bollocks. Provide me with death figures counted in the normal way, not this "positive PCR test within 28 days of death" shit, and we'll talk.

One Birmingham trust here in the UK provided the actual numbers killed by, not merely with covid. 98% of those counted as "with" were actually killed by their underlying conditions.

(If you want to argue that ivermectin/HCQ could help, that's a different angle.)

Which is the real crime here. Known treatments that are effective and safe, which were deliberately withheld because they don't make big bucks for Big Pharma. The secret of the turnaround in Indian "cases" was that in January they banned the use of Ivermectin in some states, and strangely enough infections spiked alongside the vaccine rollout. Then as soon as they resumed it's use, they fell again.

That's without touching the euthanising of old people in care homes at the height of the crisis. It'll come out eventually, why UK care homes were suddenly using significantly more Midazolam than they usually do (as instructed to by the DHSC).
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #526 on: July 21, 2021, 06:08:30 PM »
If it weren't bad enough that there are all these side effects of the "vaccines", they don't fucking work. Latest Public Health England report showed 62.9% of all patients hospitalised with covid were double-jabbed (higher than their proportion of the population). In Israel that number is 84%.

Given these therapeutics were sold as "reducing symptoms" (because they don't provide actual immunity like real vaccines do), looks like they can't even do that.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #527 on: July 21, 2021, 06:27:44 PM »
This runs deep with you if you think he's being paid to post about this shit on an obscure message board of an obscure hobby.

OTOH you're a great person for explaining the actual conspiracy to me. We're both in the UK so we've both watched the shambolic reaction to covid-19. There's been fuck all consistency in any messaging, desperate last minute reactions and loads of tory political infighting. Cummings was on the telly just the other night getting the knife in on his former boss.


To be fair the grift has been big on this one but that strikes me as normal opportunism from our ruling party.

So given the initial denying of the problem, the panicked lockdown, the swift reopenings before more panicked lockdown where is the organised conspiracy to subjugate the population? How is Boris working with all these other countries in the great plan? People are right in saying that just because something sounds nuts it doesn't mean it isn't true but let's have a narrative here that's approaching convincing. Go nuts, or more nuts, with bullet points and stuff.

The possible dangers of the vaccines is a dead end for this BTW. I disagree with you based on the evidence I've seen and talking to medical professionals but even if I agreed I'd go with the panicked and shambolic reaction to a pandemic as a reason.

Bonus points if you can avoid calling anybody a cunt. You're overusing it, it's a spice not a main ingredient.

Be a good boy, Garry, and go fuck yourself, you smug twat.

Glaikit Cuntybaws comes through. I'm totally convinced by the thorough answer you have provided. It's like a PowerPoint for gadjes.

Joshing aside, I know you throw second-rate abuse out of love, this is your problem. I'm willing to give you space to put aside some things we disagree on and explain the core conspiracy and your biggest achievement is finding a different word for cunt. This is the most disruptive event we've experienced in our lives so far, climate change may be worse, and you just whine about a conspiracy without being able to give any idea of what it is.

I'll give you a made up one for free. The deliberate shambles was made up to cover the short term effects of Brexit on trade. It's bullshit, there is enough truth there in that all the disruption did cover stuff and it plays to the governments base.

See how easy it is?
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #528 on: July 21, 2021, 06:43:40 PM »
You'd believe this man..? Fact checked:

https://www.logically.ai/articles/who-is-dr.-robert-malone

More like crap fact checked. Take this one:
https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/18ec6dcd

It completely ignores the crux of the argument of children and adolescents not needing to get vaccinated because few die and most only suffer mild symptoms, and that hence, it can be argued that the unknown, long-risk of an experimental vaccine outweighs its benefit. Especially as the government has absolved itself and the pharma companies from any responsibility if taking the vaccine goes tits-up for you. If you are going to play the "for the greater good" argument, then those that are negatively impacted should be compensated by the rest of us.

Rather, it scare-mongers by highlighting the low-probability/high-consequence tail of the distribution. I do agree that if a child suffers from at-risk underlying conditions, then the risk/reward balance can change, and ought to be factored into the vaccination decision.

Also, their argument regarding vaccination and spreading is specious:
"Adolescents can also transmit the virus to other people, even if they have mild symptoms or do not feel ill. If children and adolescents get vaccinated, it will prevent severe symptoms and dramatically decrease their chances of transmitting the virus."

This ignores that the risk of spread from children is minimal. Spread is notionally correlated with degree of symptoms, which in the vast majority of children are mild to none, which in turn is notionally correlated with viral load. This is the same way that the risk of spread is reduced from people that have gotten natural immunity (by having had and recovered from COVID) or been vaccinated. So once again, for the vast majority of children, there is little "reward" to justify the (albeit unknown) long-term risk of an experimental vaccine.

First of all, I can't find any information about who runs, sponsors, or operates "Logically," so I have no reason to trust them.  Any rando on the internet can "fact check."  But it's quite telling that, while they cite older CDC and FDA guidance, nowhere do they mention the recent determination by the JCVI:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-advice-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-and-young-people

So they omit facts that disagree with the narrative they support.  Hardly reliable...

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #529 on: July 21, 2021, 06:45:32 PM »
If it weren't bad enough that there are all these side effects of the "vaccines", they don't fucking work. Latest Public Health England report showed 62.9% of all patients hospitalised with covid were double-jabbed (higher than their proportion of the population). In Israel that number is 84%.

Given these therapeutics were sold as "reducing symptoms" (because they don't provide actual immunity like real vaccines do), looks like they can't even do that.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vallance-corrects-mistake-to-say-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-12359317

Try keeping up to date.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #530 on: July 21, 2021, 06:49:25 PM »
If it weren't bad enough that there are all these side effects of the "vaccines", they don't fucking work. Latest Public Health England report showed 62.9% of all patients hospitalised with covid were double-jabbed (higher than their proportion of the population). In Israel that number is 84%.

Given these therapeutics were sold as "reducing symptoms" (because they don't provide actual immunity like real vaccines do), looks like they can't even do that.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vallance-corrects-mistake-to-say-60-of-people-being-admitted-to-hospital-with-coronavirus-are-unvaccinated-12359317

Try keeping up to date.

Yeah that was corrected pretty quickly
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #531 on: July 21, 2021, 06:56:45 PM »
It will be interesting to see the difference in Wuhan virus infections between England and Scotland with the recent lifting of mandatory mask wearing in England after freedom day.
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« Reply #532 on: July 21, 2021, 07:08:04 PM »
It will be interesting to see the difference in Wuhan virus infections between England and Scotland with the recent lifting of mandatory mask wearing in England after freedom day.
Agreed, it will give everyone a benchmark to work from.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #533 on: July 21, 2021, 07:20:16 PM »
I got this kind of treatment on TBP for supporting Brexit, I expected better from people on this site!  :)
Why? Dogpiling, ascribing people an entire edifice of beliefs based on a single objection, and assuming bad faith are the modi operandi of this site.
And on this day, Pat and I are in full agreement (on this one specific point).

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #534 on: July 21, 2021, 09:01:42 PM »

So, immediately with the fake news. Highest mortality rate since WW2, and you immediately go to claiming it was artificially inflated death figures. Facts will not get in the way of your beliefs.
The Hong Kong flu in 1967 killed up to 4 million people, and the world's population was less than half today's. When adjusted for population, that's more than twice the death toll of covid-19 so far. So the fake news is flatly and absolutely stating that covid-19 is the worst since WW2.

The most accurate statement is that covid-19 is much less dangerous than the 1918 pandemic, but so far is roughly equivalent to the next tier of pandemics that occurred in the 20th century.

It's a US number not a worldwide number (I have no idea how it compares to the worldwide numbers) and it's accurate.

Since you won't simply click on the article here it is:

U.S. life expectancy fell by a year and a half in 2020, the largest one-year decline since World War II, public health officials said Wednesday. The decrease for both Black Americans and Hispanic Americans was even worse: three years.

The drop spelled out by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is due mainly to the COVID-19 pandemic, which health officials said is responsible for close to 74% of the overall life expectancy decline. More than 3.3 million Americans died last year, far more than any other year in U.S. history, with COVID-19 accounting for about 11% of those deaths.

Black life expectancy has not fallen so much in one year since the mid-1930s, during the Great Depression. Health officials have not tracked Hispanic life expectancy for nearly as long, but the 2020 decline was the largest recorded one-year drop.

The abrupt fall is “basically catastrophic,” said Mark Hayward, a University of Texas sociology professor who studies changes in U.S. mortality.

Killers other than COVID-19 played a role. Drug overdoses pushed life expectancy down, particularly for whites. And rising homicides were a small but significant reason for the decline for Black Americans, said Elizabeth Arias, the report’s lead author.

Other problems affected Black and Hispanic people, including lack of access to quality health care, more crowded living conditions, and a greater share of the population in lower-paying jobs that required them to keep working when the pandemic was at its worst, experts said.

Life expectancy is an estimate of the average number of years a baby born in a given year might expect to live. It’s an important statistical snapshot of a country’s health that can be influenced both by sustained trends such as obesity as well as more temporary threats like pandemics or war that might not endanger those newborns in their lifetimes.

For decades, U.S. life expectancy was on the upswing. But that trend stalled in 2015, for several years, before hitting 78 years, 10 months in 2019. Last year, the CDC said, it dropped to about 77 years, 4 months.

Other findings in the new CDC report:

—Hispanic Americans have longer life expectancy than white or Black Americans, but had the largest decline in 2020. The three-year drop was the largest since the CDC started tracking Hispanic life expectancy 15 years ago.

—Black life expectancy dropped nearly three years, to 71 years, 10 months. It has not been that low since 2000.

—White life expectancy fell by roughly 14 months to about 77 years, 7 months. That was the lowest the lowest life expectancy for that population since 2002.

—COVID-19′s role varied by race and ethnicity. The coronavirus was responsible for 90% of the decline in life expectancy among Hispanics, 68% among white people and 59% among Black Americans.

—Life expectancy fell nearly two years for men, but about one year for women, widening a longstanding gap. The CDC estimated life expectancy of 74 years, 6 months for boys vs. 80 years, 2 months for girls.

More than 80% of last year’s COVID deaths were people 65 and older, CDC data shows. That actually diminished the pandemic’s toll on life expectancy at birth, which is swayed more by deaths of younger adults and children than those among seniors.

That’s why last year’s decline was just half as much as the three-year drop between 1942 and 1943, when young soldiers were dying in World War II. And it was just a fraction of the drop between 1917 and 1918, when World War I and a Spanish flu pandemic devastated younger generations.

Life expectancy bounced back after those drops, and experts believe it will this time, too. But some said it could take years.

Too many people have already died from COVID-19 this year, while variants of the coronavirus are spreading among unvaccinated Americans — many of them younger adults, some experts said.

“We can’t. In 2021, we can’t get back to pre-pandemic” life expectancy, said Noreen Goldman, a Princeton University researcher.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #535 on: July 21, 2021, 09:36:10 PM »

So, immediately with the fake news. Highest mortality rate since WW2, and you immediately go to claiming it was artificially inflated death figures. Facts will not get in the way of your beliefs.
The Hong Kong flu in 1967 killed up to 4 million people, and the world's population was less than half today's. When adjusted for population, that's more than twice the death toll of covid-19 so far. So the fake news is flatly and absolutely stating that covid-19 is the worst since WW2.

The most accurate statement is that covid-19 is much less dangerous than the 1918 pandemic, but so far is roughly equivalent to the next tier of pandemics that occurred in the 20th century.

It's a US number not a worldwide number (I have no idea how it compares to the worldwide numbers) and it's accurate.

Since you won't simply click on the article here it is:

U.S. life expectancy ....
Are you confusing me with another poster? You made a false claim about the mortality rate, I pointed out you were wrong, and explained why. I didn't say a thing about the overall reduction in lifespans. That's a different topic.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #536 on: July 21, 2021, 09:50:16 PM »

So, immediately with the fake news. Highest mortality rate since WW2, and you immediately go to claiming it was artificially inflated death figures. Facts will not get in the way of your beliefs.
The Hong Kong flu in 1967 killed up to 4 million people, and the world's population was less than half today's. When adjusted for population, that's more than twice the death toll of covid-19 so far. So the fake news is flatly and absolutely stating that covid-19 is the worst since WW2.

The most accurate statement is that covid-19 is much less dangerous than the 1918 pandemic, but so far is roughly equivalent to the next tier of pandemics that occurred in the 20th century.

It's a US number not a worldwide number (I have no idea how it compares to the worldwide numbers) and it's accurate.

Since you won't simply click on the article here it is:

U.S. life expectancy ....
Are you confusing me with another poster? You made a false claim about the mortality rate, I pointed out you were wrong, and explained why. I didn't say a thing about the overall reduction in lifespans. That's a different topic.

It is difficult to understand the difference between % rate and total number so dont be too hard.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #537 on: July 22, 2021, 08:11:37 AM »
I seriously doubt anyone here is being paid to post. All the big shill money is in Twitter and Facebook.

Exhibit A: Majid K. Padellan, aka BrooklynDadDefiant.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #538 on: July 22, 2021, 10:21:09 AM »

So, immediately with the fake news. Highest mortality rate since WW2, and you immediately go to claiming it was artificially inflated death figures. Facts will not get in the way of your beliefs.
The Hong Kong flu in 1967 killed up to 4 million people, and the world's population was less than half today's. When adjusted for population, that's more than twice the death toll of covid-19 so far. So the fake news is flatly and absolutely stating that covid-19 is the worst since WW2.

The most accurate statement is that covid-19 is much less dangerous than the 1918 pandemic, but so far is roughly equivalent to the next tier of pandemics that occurred in the 20th century.

It's a US number not a worldwide number (I have no idea how it compares to the worldwide numbers) and it's accurate.

Since you won't simply click on the article here it is:

U.S. life expectancy ....
Are you confusing me with another poster? You made a false claim about the mortality rate, I pointed out you were wrong, and explained why. I didn't say a thing about the overall reduction in lifespans. That's a different topic.

It's the same topic. Mortality rate increases reduce lifespans. That's what the article is talking about.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #539 on: July 22, 2021, 10:22:44 AM »

So, immediately with the fake news. Highest mortality rate since WW2, and you immediately go to claiming it was artificially inflated death figures. Facts will not get in the way of your beliefs.
The Hong Kong flu in 1967 killed up to 4 million people, and the world's population was less than half today's. When adjusted for population, that's more than twice the death toll of covid-19 so far. So the fake news is flatly and absolutely stating that covid-19 is the worst since WW2.

The most accurate statement is that covid-19 is much less dangerous than the 1918 pandemic, but so far is roughly equivalent to the next tier of pandemics that occurred in the 20th century.

It's a US number not a worldwide number (I have no idea how it compares to the worldwide numbers) and it's accurate.

Since you won't simply click on the article here it is:

U.S. life expectancy ....
Are you confusing me with another poster? You made a false claim about the mortality rate, I pointed out you were wrong, and explained why. I didn't say a thing about the overall reduction in lifespans. That's a different topic.

It is difficult to understand the difference between % rate and total number so dont be too hard.

That's not what happened.

Is it really so hard to read a short article which I entirely pasted here so you don't even need to click on something?\

I guess that IS asking too much around here lately. It might interfere with the snark.