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Author Topic: Here's your Mask Protocol  (Read 71432 times)

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #510 on: July 21, 2021, 01:36:50 PM »
Though being accused, indirectly or otherwise, of being some kind of woke sock-puppet because I don't post much would wind anyone up!

NOW, I understand it can happen to anyone! 😁

I wasn't accusing you of being a woke sock-puppet. I was accusing you of being a paid shill. There are plenty of them about.

Oh, I wish... I could do with some extra income!

That accusation actually winds me up as much as woke sock-puppet. 🖕
« Last Edit: July 21, 2021, 01:41:18 PM by martinjpayne »

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #511 on: July 21, 2021, 01:51:59 PM »
basically i wonder how the future epidemics are going to be different from covid. makes me think of eclipse phase which has all the concomitant ideas about what the future is really gonna be like. never read asimov but the idea of tech interacting with bio is pretty interesting but further than a neuromancer comparison. basically i think the wipes smell a little better than the hand sanitizer but the epidemics are gonna keep happening like ice ages. it's interesting that covid was the first major one but then again we don't live in the past so you never know how medievals treated protocol in the aftermath or beginning of the Black Death.

Covid wasn't a major epidemic. It was a nothing burger compared to the real sort, which is why they had to do their utmost to artificially inflate the apparent death figures and constantly advertise the "threat".

The only thing I find frightening is that governments have now learned just how spineless and pliant the majority are, that they can make them do pretty much what they want and they will offer no resistance whatsoever.

So, immediately with the fake news. Highest mortality rate since WW2, and you immediately go to claiming it was artificially inflated death figures. Facts will not get in the way of your beliefs.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #512 on: July 21, 2021, 01:56:43 PM »
'I'm sorry but it's too late' - unvaccinated patients beg for shot;

An Alabama physician glumly says she is making "a lot of progress" in encouraging people to vaccinate – as she struggles to keep them alive.

Dr. Brytney Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, wrote in a recent Facebook post she is treating a lot of young, otherwise healthy people for serious coronavirus infections.

"One of the last things they do before they're intubated is beg me for the vaccine," she wrote. "I hold their hand and tell them that I'm sorry, but it's too late."

In her post, Cobia wrote that, when the patient dies, she hugs their family members and urges them to get vaccinated. She said they cry and tell her they thought the pandemic was a "hoax," or "political," or targeting some other age group or skin color.

"They wish they could go back. But they can't," Cobia wrote. "So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives."

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #513 on: July 21, 2021, 01:59:50 PM »
'I'm sorry but it's too late' - unvaccinated patients beg for shot;

An Alabama physician glumly says she is making "a lot of progress" in encouraging people to vaccinate – as she struggles to keep them alive.

Dr. Brytney Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, wrote in a recent Facebook post she is treating a lot of young, otherwise healthy people for serious coronavirus infections.

"One of the last things they do before they're intubated is beg me for the vaccine," she wrote. "I hold their hand and tell them that I'm sorry, but it's too late."

In her post, Cobia wrote that, when the patient dies, she hugs their family members and urges them to get vaccinated. She said they cry and tell her they thought the pandemic was a "hoax," or "political," or targeting some other age group or skin color.

"They wish they could go back. But they can't," Cobia wrote. "So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives."
Exactly what good is a goddamn vaccine going to do for someone who's terminal as she describes?

God damn this is why USA Today is shit. They play this like 'oh look at this heartless Alabama doctor', when holy fuckballs if they're that bad off, a vaccine isn't going to help them.

(If you want to argue that ivermectin/HCQ could help, that's a different angle.)

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #514 on: July 21, 2021, 02:53:41 PM »
Exactly what good is a goddamn vaccine going to do for someone who's terminal as she describes?

 It won't do any good, of course. That's what she tells them. Then she gives the vaccine to the rest of the family who didn't have Covid.

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« Reply #515 on: July 21, 2021, 03:11:41 PM »
The shamdemic will only end when the people stop it.

Preferably in blood.

And punish not just the politicians and the press who spread the WuFlu bullshit and the fear, but for every fucking loser with an ounce of power to force children to suffer with masks and panic that will cost them so dearly in mental and emotional damage for the rest of their lives.

But definitely go get your experimental vax so you can win your most deserved place in the VAERS lottery.

Oh look, a CDC whistleblower says the vax death count is 45,000 in a new lawsuit
https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/07/lawsuit-filed-today-accusing-government-of-hiding-more-than-45000-dead-americans-from-the-jab

Although 45k is rookie numbers. The experimental gene therapy might become a real hoot in the medium and long term if the previous animal tests of mRNA have any bearing on the future.

But don't expect a drop of sympathy from us in the "control group".

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #516 on: July 21, 2021, 03:24:20 PM »
'I'm sorry but it's too late' - unvaccinated patients beg for shot;

An Alabama physician glumly says she is making "a lot of progress" in encouraging people to vaccinate – as she struggles to keep them alive.

Dr. Brytney Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, wrote in a recent Facebook post she is treating a lot of young, otherwise healthy people for serious coronavirus infections.

"One of the last things they do before they're intubated is beg me for the vaccine," she wrote. "I hold their hand and tell them that I'm sorry, but it's too late."

In her post, Cobia wrote that, when the patient dies, she hugs their family members and urges them to get vaccinated. She said they cry and tell her they thought the pandemic was a "hoax," or "political," or targeting some other age group or skin color.

"They wish they could go back. But they can't," Cobia wrote. "So they thank me and they go get the vaccine. And I go back to my office, write their death note, and say a small prayer that this loss will save more lives."

And then everyone on the bus clapped.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #517 on: July 21, 2021, 04:00:18 PM »
My understanding of your point was that making the covid vaccine mandatory was itself taking away people's freedom and sovereignty -- i.e. that it's totalitarian control. The point becomes a lot less forceful if you're saying "Totalitarian control is fine as long as it's for the right reasons with established vaccines, but it's not justified in the case of the covid."

That sounds a lot like "Totalitarian control is OK as long as the government only goes after the bad people."


That's the root of the question. Is it totalitarian overreach for the government to require a vaccine? If you're OK with imposition of other vaccines, then your problem isn't with the government totalitarian control - it's just that you disagree with their decision. Personally, I'm against vaccines being completely mandatory, but I think it's OK for there to be broad restrictions on unvaccinated people like "you can't work as a doctor or teacher without being vaccinated".

The entire last year has been demolishing brick by brick any trust I have remaining in institutions. So, do I currently support mandatory vaccination? Absolutely not. This has obviously only been revealed as a crucial issue in the last year.

Like many people I was fairly passive in accepting the conventional belief (without evidence) that vaccines were crucial for keeping us safe from pestilences of the past like smallpox, etc. Of course becoming more skeptical of transparent lies that government & medical authorities are promoting regarding C-19 also extends towards other topics. For example, CDC & at least one JAMA paper provide compelling historical data over decades demonstrating many diseases were almost entirely eliminated by water & sewage sanitation practices, not vaccines (the vaccines didn't even exist until the diseases were mostly eliminated).

Assuming we are ever able to dig ourselves out of this totalitarian nightmare* it's worth rethinking a few things.

* Consider that in Sydney Australia, ONE 80 year old person died and now the entire city is locked down.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #518 on: July 21, 2021, 04:54:27 PM »
I got this kind of treatment on TBP for supporting Brexit, I expected better from people on this site!  :)
Why? Dogpiling, ascribing people an entire edifice of beliefs based on a single objection, and assuming bad faith are the modi operandi of this site.

On the contrary, we all agreed that civil and rational discussion was the modus operandi of this site.

Though being accused, indirectly or otherwise, of being some kind of woke sock-puppet because I don't post much would wind anyone up!

NOW, I understand it can happen to anyone! 😁

I wasn't accusing you of being a woke sock-puppet. I was accusing you of being a paid shill. There are plenty of them about.

Wait, there are people being paid to do this?
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #519 on: July 21, 2021, 05:01:58 PM »
You'd believe this man..? Fact checked:

https://www.logically.ai/articles/who-is-dr.-robert-malone

For a second I thought you were going to use science to back up your claims but alas.

At least jhkim uses an allergist to back up his medical claims.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #520 on: July 21, 2021, 05:09:46 PM »
Wait, there are people being paid to do this?

Yes.  In fact a few people here admitted they make money off from the covid.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #521 on: July 21, 2021, 05:32:29 PM »
Wait, there are people being paid to do this?

Yes.  In fact a few people here admitted they make money off from the covid.

That was just Happydaze though, right?

I thought people were getting paid to post here.  Maybe I can get some of that sweet sweet pro-CCP 50 cent army money?
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« Reply #522 on: July 21, 2021, 05:34:49 PM »

So, immediately with the fake news. Highest mortality rate since WW2, and you immediately go to claiming it was artificially inflated death figures. Facts will not get in the way of your beliefs.
The Hong Kong flu in 1967 killed up to 4 million people, and the world's population was less than half today's. When adjusted for population, that's more than twice the death toll of covid-19 so far. So the fake news is flatly and absolutely stating that covid-19 is the worst since WW2.

The most accurate statement is that covid-19 is much less dangerous than the 1918 pandemic, but so far is roughly equivalent to the next tier of pandemics that occurred in the 20th century.

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« Reply #523 on: July 21, 2021, 05:47:35 PM »
Oh look, a CDC whistleblower says the vax death count is 45,000 in a new lawsuit
https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/07/lawsuit-filed-today-accusing-government-of-hiding-more-than-45000-dead-americans-from-the-jab

Although 45k is rookie numbers. The experimental gene therapy might become a real hoot in the medium and long term if the previous animal tests of mRNA have any bearing on the future.
That's roughly consistent with earlier estimates. Back when the number of deaths reported to VAERS was about 4K, some experts were estimating the real number of death was about 20K. Since the number of VAERS deaths has recently spiked, the 45K could be a projection based on anywhere from 8K to more than 11K reported deaths. It's important to realize these aren't solid numbers, though. They're guesses based on a voluntary self-reporting system. Since they're not tracking every case, we don't know. Though if anything, they're probably lowballing it. For most vaccines, they typically assume only about 1 in 100 deaths are reported to VAERs. This is more in the 5:1 range.

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« Reply #524 on: July 21, 2021, 06:05:54 PM »
Though being accused, indirectly or otherwise, of being some kind of woke sock-puppet because I don't post much would wind anyone up!

NOW, I understand it can happen to anyone! 😁

I wasn't accusing you of being a woke sock-puppet. I was accusing you of being a paid shill. There are plenty of them about.

This runs deep with you if you think he's being paid to post about this shit on an obscure message board of an obscure hobby.

OTOH you're a great person for explaining the actual conspiracy to me. We're both in the UK so we've both watched the shambolic reaction to covid-19. There's been fuck all consistency in any messaging, desperate last minute reactions and loads of tory political infighting. Cummings was on the telly just the other night getting the knife in on his former boss.


To be fair the grift has been big on this one but that strikes me as normal opportunism from our ruling party.

So given the initial denying of the problem, the panicked lockdown, the swift reopenings before more panicked lockdown where is the organised conspiracy to subjugate the population? How is Boris working with all these other countries in the great plan? People are right in saying that just because something sounds nuts it doesn't mean it isn't true but let's have a narrative here that's approaching convincing. Go nuts, or more nuts, with bullet points and stuff.

The possible dangers of the vaccines is a dead end for this BTW. I disagree with you based on the evidence I've seen and talking to medical professionals but even if I agreed I'd go with the panicked and shambolic reaction to a pandemic as a reason.

Bonus points if you can avoid calling anybody a cunt. You're overusing it, it's a spice not a main ingredient.