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Author Topic: Here's your Mask Protocol  (Read 71464 times)

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #480 on: July 20, 2021, 01:51:51 PM »
Just because some people believe in a Cobra Commander-esque conspiracy theory, doesn't mean that powerful people and organizations aren't manipulating events for their own ends.

I agree. But it's people from all sides who are trying to manipulate events for their own ends - not just one side or the other. That includes those who are promoting these Cobra-Commander-eseque conspiracy theories, and politically benefiting from them. Everyone wants to justify and look good in how they have dealt with covid.


Pretty much every western European government, plus the US, Canada, and Australia have floated the idea of mandatory vaccination and vaccine passports. It's going to happen unless it's stopped. Every single one of these countries is in bed with the big tech companies that are eager to roll this out and all of our societies are dependent upon global capital that has its own objectives that are far removed from us remaining free and sovereign.
No one disputes that vaccines have been mandatory before. But we've never seen a response like this before, particularly if you compare Covid to illnesses with similar threat profile.

My understanding of your point was that making the covid vaccine mandatory was itself taking away people's freedom and sovereignty -- i.e. that it's totalitarian control. The point becomes a lot less forceful if you're saying "Totalitarian control is fine as long as it's for the right reasons with established vaccines, but it's not justified in the case of the covid."

That sounds a lot like "Totalitarian control is OK as long as the government only goes after the bad people."


That's the root of the question. Is it totalitarian overreach for the government to require a vaccine? If you're OK with imposition of other vaccines, then your problem isn't with the government totalitarian control - it's just that you disagree with their decision. Personally, I'm against vaccines being completely mandatory, but I think it's OK for there to be broad restrictions on unvaccinated people like "you can't work as a doctor or teacher without being vaccinated".

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #481 on: July 20, 2021, 05:15:34 PM »
The vaccines do not alter the DNA of those that take it. That's the kind of bullshit disinformation that hurts people.

Are you a liar or ignorant? They cause the recipient to manufacture spike proteins. Forever.

No one is being hurt if they avoid this completely unnecessary intervention for a harmless virus.

It's funny, us "sheep" only need to wear masks to protect knobs like you who won't get vaccinated!

Uh, no, I don't need any "protection" thanks, my immune system works. Never mind that masks do fuck all.

You'll be very glad of us unvaccinated in the autumn when your compromised immune system causes you to get seriously ill from whatever new strains of respiratory virus arise.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #482 on: July 20, 2021, 05:38:05 PM »
In north central Austin, there is a small FLGS called Outlaw Moon which is kind of an outgrowth of Austin Books which has been around most of my life in various incarnations. They have some old D&D stuff bagged and boarded. I bought a friend of mine a Hollow World Box set gently used there. Other wise I mostly bought dice, deepcuts/Nolzur's or Imperial Assault minis there.

I went by there a week ago after COOF and they still have their 3 people only inside and wear your mask signs up. Now Austin has since rescinded that long after the governor did the one for the state(Austin is being stubborn and political) and right then and there I decided that store is dead to me.

That's too bad as Dragon's Lair, my other long time FLGS that changed owners, is pretty much run by the distributor's pick list and and is now a McGeekStore full of pops, manga, comics no one looks at, the new items of the week shelf, 40K & AOS down one wall, some token Malifaux, and a tiny two shelf unit section of rpgs that is mostly 5th core books with a couple of things like Tasha's cauldron, and some FFG starwars, Fate, and Pathfinder two on the 2nd shelving unit. It reminds me of a water bear without water shrinking down into a tiny husk state until the water comes back. There is a clix/MtG ghetto in the back by the snacks. Everyone in the store at tables plays 40K with one stubborn group who still plays X-Wing or Armada. The rivet counter Bolt Action guys are long gone.

So Outlaw Moon was the hope for older grungier stuff I could put my hands on. The GW store is a tiny strip mall thing across town and I'm too old to haunt that anyway. There is a GameKastle that opened in Pflugerville but it's mostly table top wargamey and it too suffers from the McGeekStore syndrome only GW swings the BD not Chessex or some other distributor groups.

So maybe it's over. Maybe it is time to build an arched cabin in my yard and set it up like a bar/grill and start looking for grey dice pals to come clubhouse with me on weekends. Or maybe that's a great way to get killed by a psycho with a carpet knife. Who knows.

I just know I got my vax and I'm not wearing a mask because some beardy or green hair behind a register says so to buy over priced plastic and perfect bound trapper keeper doodle collection nonsense with a table on one side.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #483 on: July 20, 2021, 05:48:02 PM »
There should be a term for the inverse of the Motte and Bailey fallacy.


It's the guilt by association fallacy. There is a kook who said what you did so you are a kook. What was said gets overlooked by who said it and the only offered means of discrediting you is associating you with the kook. So if Alex Jones tells you not to smoke in bed, that means anyone who doesn't smoke in bed is enthralled by the kook Alex Jones.

I think of it as the "you touched the poop" fallacy.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #484 on: July 20, 2021, 06:01:49 PM »
You'll be very glad of us unvaccinated in the autumn when your compromised immune system causes you to get seriously ill from whatever new strains of respiratory virus arise.

Or, more likely, we'll be cursing you as selfish c***ts when a new, more deadly variant has developed in the unvaccinated and is wiping out the whole of humanity! Still, if that's the case you probably won't be around to hear it, as you'll be long dead!

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #485 on: July 20, 2021, 06:10:33 PM »
Or, more likely, we'll be cursing you as selfish c***ts when a new, more deadly variant has developed in the unvaccinated and is wiping out the whole of humanity! Still, if that's the case you probably won't be around to hear it, as you'll be long dead!

No, you thick cunt, that's not how it works. All you vaxxed morons are fostering the mutations, by providing the evolutionary pressure for the virus to mutate in a particular direction.

And I'm not the one who's immune system has been compromised by antibody dependent enhancement. Or microscopic damage to my vascular system from the spike proteins.

I've had covid, I'm immune (I've had plenty of other sniffles in the last year too, my immune system hasn't been suppressed by hiding away from the world). The real sort of broad spectrum immunity, not just a fake immunity to the protein spike.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #486 on: July 20, 2021, 06:13:33 PM »
https://www.nber.org/papers/w28110

Working paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research analyzes news coverage of covid-19. A couple key conclusions:
  • 91% of US news articles on covid-19 have a negative tone, compared to 54% worldwide, and 64% of scientific papers
  • Stories of increasing covid-19 cases outnumbered stories of decreasing covid-19 cases by 5.5 to 1, even when covid-19 cases were in decline

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #487 on: July 20, 2021, 06:36:26 PM »
The vaccines do not alter the DNA of those that take it. That's the kind of bullshit disinformation that hurts people.

Are you a liar or ignorant? They cause the recipient to manufacture spike proteins. Forever.

No one is being hurt if they avoid this completely unnecessary intervention for a harmless virus.

It's funny, us "sheep" only need to wear masks to protect knobs like you who won't get vaccinated!

Uh, no, I don't need any "protection" thanks, my immune system works. Never mind that masks do fuck all.

You'll be very glad of us unvaccinated in the autumn when your compromised immune system causes you to get seriously ill from whatever new strains of respiratory virus arise.
I am neither ignorant nor a liar. You, however, do not appear to have any understanding of how the vaccines and spike proteins actually work. You really should educate yourself, but by all means, just go on showing what a dipshit conspiracy theorist you really are.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #488 on: July 20, 2021, 06:39:29 PM »
Are you a liar or ignorant? They cause the recipient to manufacture spike proteins. Forever.
Actually, you are the liar or ignorant or both, as the spike proteins are only created when the vaccine is administered: then your immune system reacts to them and destroys them all within a few weeks. Your immune system then remembers this intrusion and reacts appropriately when you catch the real thing.

Spike proteins and mRNA do not alter your DNA as they never reach the nucleus (where DNA is stored) of the affected cells only working in the cytoplasm (the gelatinous liquid that fills the inside of a cell). The nucleus itself is separated from the cytoplasm by a protective membrane.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #489 on: July 20, 2021, 06:46:49 PM »
You'll be very glad of us unvaccinated in the autumn when your compromised immune system causes you to get seriously ill from whatever new strains of respiratory virus arise.

Or, more likely, we'll be cursing you as selfish c***ts when a new, more deadly variant has developed in the unvaccinated and is wiping out the whole of humanity! Still, if that's the case you probably won't be around to hear it, as you'll be long dead!

Can you at least pretend to follow the science?
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #490 on: July 20, 2021, 07:23:27 PM »
You'll be very glad of us unvaccinated in the autumn when your compromised immune system causes you to get seriously ill from whatever new strains of respiratory virus arise.

Or, more likely, we'll be cursing you as selfish c***ts when a new, more deadly variant has developed in the unvaccinated and is wiping out the whole of humanity! Still, if that's the case you probably won't be around to hear it, as you'll be long dead!

Can you at least pretend to follow the science?
No, they can't.  "Science" is simple an authority to appeal to when it provides support for what they want, and something to ignore when it can't be warped to their purposes.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #491 on: July 20, 2021, 10:47:13 PM »
I am neither ignorant nor a liar. You, however, do not appear to have any understanding of how the vaccines and spike proteins actually work. You really should educate yourself, but by all means, just go on showing what a dipshit conspiracy theorist you really are.

Dr. Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA vaccines, disagrees with you.



https://rumble.com/vjicbh-dr-robert-malone-mrna-vaccine-inventor-on-vaccines-bioethics-the-ultimate-g.html
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« Reply #492 on: July 21, 2021, 05:10:46 AM »
You'd believe this man..? Fact checked:

https://www.logically.ai/articles/who-is-dr.-robert-malone

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« Reply #493 on: July 21, 2021, 05:12:30 AM »
Double post!

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #494 on: July 21, 2021, 07:49:05 AM »
You'd believe this man..? Fact checked:

https://www.logically.ai/articles/who-is-dr.-robert-malone

More like crap fact checked. Take this one:
https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/18ec6dcd

It completely ignores the crux of the argument of children and adolescents not needing to get vaccinated because few die and most only suffer mild symptoms, and that hence, it can be argued that the unknown, long-risk of an experimental vaccine outweighs its benefit. Especially as the government has absolved itself and the pharma companies from any responsibility if taking the vaccine goes tits-up for you. If you are going to play the "for the greater good" argument, then those that are negatively impacted should be compensated by the rest of us.

Rather, it scare-mongers by highlighting the low-probability/high-consequence tail of the distribution. I do agree that if a child suffers from at-risk underlying conditions, then the risk/reward balance can change, and ought to be factored into the vaccination decision.

Also, their argument regarding vaccination and spreading is specious:
"Adolescents can also transmit the virus to other people, even if they have mild symptoms or do not feel ill. If children and adolescents get vaccinated, it will prevent severe symptoms and dramatically decrease their chances of transmitting the virus."

This ignores that the risk of spread from children is minimal. Spread is notionally correlated with degree of symptoms, which in the vast majority of children are mild to none, which in turn is notionally correlated with viral load. This is the same way that the risk of spread is reduced from people that have gotten natural immunity (by having had and recovered from COVID) or been vaccinated. So once again, for the vast majority of children, there is little "reward" to justify the (albeit unknown) long-term risk of an experimental vaccine.