Here's your Mask Protocol

[Ratman_tf]

Government is now overtly using Facebook to control (dis)information about Covid.

[HappyDaze]

I hope you never need to use the emergency department. They charge you for every procedure too.

I'm not American, you fuckwit. I only pay for healthcare through taxation (and my private care through a voluntary contribution from my salary).

How does that apply to money making from the vaccines in your country?

[Ghostmaker]

Government is now overtly using Facebook to control (dis)information about Covid.

Beat me to it.

Hey, all you Biden voters, hope this was worth it. No, really.

[Zelen]

I'm not clear on what we're talking about here.

I am hugely opposed to a lot of government privacy-invading practices that I know have gone on -- like the NSA phone metadata tapping revealed by Edward Snowden, or the warrantless pulls of phone geolocation data revealed in the Supreme Court decision on Carpenter, or just the millions of warrants passed through en masse, and lots of other privacy invasions and interceptions. I agree that both federal and state governments have done a ton of this and are likely to continue.

But that doesn't mean that I will automatically believe any claim made about governments - particularly if the claim is vague and has no cited evidence.

Yes, I agree it's unclear. I think people who follow politics know the government has been engaging in spying on US citizens communications in a way that was always fishy, and has been shown to be illegal for many years. In theory that abuse was limited in scope, although that assumption isn't based on evidence and "the Right" collectively was wrong to downplay the potential for abuse.

We don't know the solid details of what this report suggests is happening. However, presumably this isn't a continuation of existing programs, which wouldn't be noteworthy. The report suggests a dramatic, national-scale expansion of surveillance efforts, and also suggests other methods (unspecified) of intervention. Any intervention at all on this scale is simply treason.

[Shasarak]

I hope you never need to use the emergency department. They charge you for every procedure too.

I'm not American, you fuckwit. I only pay for healthcare through taxation (and my private care through a voluntary contribution from my salary).

How does that apply to money making from the vaccines in your country?

How does getting an emergency procedure apply to getting a vaccine?

[Pat]

I'm not clear on what we're talking about here.

I am hugely opposed to a lot of government privacy-invading practices that I know have gone on -- like the NSA phone metadata tapping revealed by Edward Snowden, or the warrantless pulls of phone geolocation data revealed in the Supreme Court decision on Carpenter, or just the millions of warrants passed through en masse, and lots of other privacy invasions and interceptions. I agree that both federal and state governments have done a ton of this and are likely to continue.

But that doesn't mean that I will automatically believe any claim made about governments - particularly if the claim is vague and has no cited evidence.

Yes, I agree it's unclear. I think people who follow politics know the government has been engaging in spying on US citizens communications in a way that was always fishy, and has been shown to be illegal for many years. In theory that abuse was limited in scope, although that assumption isn't based on evidence and "the Right" collectively was wrong to downplay the potential for abuse.

We don't know the solid details of what this report suggests is happening. However, presumably this isn't a continuation of existing programs, which wouldn't be noteworthy. The report suggests a dramatic, national-scale expansion of surveillance efforts, and also suggests other methods (unspecified) of intervention. Any intervention at all on this scale is simply treason.

I'd avoid the word treason. It's not thrown around as much as fascism, but it's thrown around far to frequently. And unlike the ever-more-nebulous definitions of fascism, treason has a very specific meaning within this context. It's the only crime that is clearly defined, and requires a uniquely difficult standard of evidence prove, in the US Constitution. And the reason it's written that way is to oppose the loose definition you're using. The Founding Fathers were fully cognizant of the many cases in England where a simple but rancorous partisan dispute led to the capital charge of treason, and they wanted to forestall that kind of abuse in the US.

[jhkim]

I'm not clear on what we're talking about here.

I am hugely opposed to a lot of government privacy-invading practices that I know have gone on -- like the NSA phone metadata tapping revealed by Edward Snowden, or the warrantless pulls of phone geolocation data revealed in the Supreme Court decision on Carpenter, or just the millions of warrants passed through en masse, and lots of other privacy invasions and interceptions. I agree that both federal and state governments have done a ton of this and are likely to continue.

But that doesn't mean that I will automatically believe any claim made about governments - particularly if the claim is vague and has no cited evidence.

Yes, I agree it's unclear. I think people who follow politics know the government has been engaging in spying on US citizens communications in a way that was always fishy, and has been shown to be illegal for many years. In theory that abuse was limited in scope, although that assumption isn't based on evidence and "the Right" collectively was wrong to downplay the potential for abuse.

We don't know the solid details of what this report suggests is happening. However, presumably this isn't a continuation of existing programs, which wouldn't be noteworthy. The report suggests a dramatic, national-scale expansion of surveillance efforts, and also suggests other methods (unspecified) of intervention. Any intervention at all on this scale is simply treason.

When you say "report", are you talking about the Politico article previously linked?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278

I don't consider Politico to be a very reliable information source. I'd want to look at the specifics of the claim and their sources before concluding about a dramatic, national-scale change - and lacking that, is there any other evidence of this unspecified dramatic change?

[HappyDaze]

I hope you never need to use the emergency department. They charge you for every procedure too.

I'm not American, you fuckwit. I only pay for healthcare through taxation (and my private care through a voluntary contribution from my salary).

How does that apply to money making from the vaccines in your country?

How does getting an emergency procedure apply to getting a vaccine?

Ok, I'll go first.

You were saying you didn't trust people to provide medical treatment if they stand to profit from it. I used the example of emergency services because they too are a medical treatment.

Now it's your turn to answer the question asked.

[Shasarak]

I hope you never need to use the emergency department. They charge you for every procedure too.

I'm not American, you fuckwit. I only pay for healthcare through taxation (and my private care through a voluntary contribution from my salary).

How does that apply to money making from the vaccines in your country?

How does getting an emergency procedure apply to getting a vaccine?

Ok, I'll go first.

You were saying you didn't trust people to provide medical treatment if they stand to profit from it. I used the example of emergency services because they too are a medical treatment.

Now it's your turn to answer the question asked.

You got a quote where I said that?

[HappyDaze]

I hope you never need to use the emergency department. They charge you for every procedure too.

I'm not American, you fuckwit. I only pay for healthcare through taxation (and my private care through a voluntary contribution from my salary).

How does that apply to money making from the vaccines in your country?

How does getting an emergency procedure apply to getting a vaccine?

Ok, I'll go first.

You were saying you didn't trust people to provide medical treatment if they stand to profit from it. I used the example of emergency services because they too are a medical treatment.

Now it's your turn to answer the question asked.

You got a quote where I said that?

Oh just fuck off already. You can go back and see where I replied to your post, you stupid shitbag, but you don't want a conversation. You just want an argument.

[Pat]

Oh just fuck off already. You can go back and see where I replied to your post, you stupid shitbag, but you don't want a conversation. You just want an argument.

You're confusing two different posters.

[Shasarak]

I hope you never need to use the emergency department. They charge you for every procedure too.

I'm not American, you fuckwit. I only pay for healthcare through taxation (and my private care through a voluntary contribution from my salary).

How does that apply to money making from the vaccines in your country?

How does getting an emergency procedure apply to getting a vaccine?

Ok, I'll go first.

You were saying you didn't trust people to provide medical treatment if they stand to profit from it. I used the example of emergency services because they too are a medical treatment.

Now it's your turn to answer the question asked.

You got a quote where I said that?

Oh just fuck off already. You can go back and see where I replied to your post, you stupid shitbag, but you don't want a conversation. You just want an argument.

OK Boomer

Oh just fuck off already. You can go back and see where I replied to your post, you stupid shitbag, but you don't want a conversation. You just want an argument.

You're confusing two different posters.

You mean all posters are not the same poster?

[Ghostmaker]

HappyDerp is easily confused.

[HappyDaze]

Oh just fuck off already. You can go back and see where I replied to your post, you stupid shitbag, but you don't want a conversation. You just want an argument.

You're confusing two different posters.

You're right. Missed that. Between computers right now (my last one just passed away this week at the age of 6) and posting from my phone.

[moonsweeper]

Looks like this started about a month ago.  Heads up for anyone living in the Centennial state...

https://covid19.colorado.gov/press-release/state-begins-outbound-phone-campaign-to-encourage-vaccination