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Author Topic: Here's your Mask Protocol  (Read 71518 times)

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #420 on: July 13, 2021, 06:45:33 PM »

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #421 on: July 13, 2021, 08:49:06 PM »


What's the source on this? Is the grandmother OK?

SMS messages are handled by regulated network and are supposed to be private (though they are often transmitted plain text and are not secure). So I'd be interested in any further information on what's happening here. (Unless it is just created as a graphic rather than a screenshot of a real conversation.) I do note that there are voluntary apps that one can install to filter SMS messages to reduce spam. Here's an article on covid-19 scam filtering, for example:

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/new-text-blocking-app-protects-against-covid-19-scams-060920.html


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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #422 on: July 13, 2021, 09:33:52 PM »


What's the source on this? Is the grandmother OK?

SMS messages are handled by regulated network and are supposed to be private (though they are often transmitted plain text and are not secure). So I'd be interested in any further information on what's happening here. (Unless it is just created as a graphic rather than a screenshot of a real conversation.) I do note that there are voluntary apps that one can install to filter SMS messages to reduce spam. Here's an article on covid-19 scam filtering, for example:

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/new-text-blocking-app-protects-against-covid-19-scams-060920.html
It's a photoshop, and true to form, you missed the point.

Exactly where does the government get the right to interfere with private discourse?

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #423 on: July 13, 2021, 09:40:18 PM »
Its a joking reference to this...

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"Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages. The goal is to ensure that people who may have difficulty getting a vaccination because of issues like transportation see those barriers lessened or removed entirely."

Here is the full article

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #424 on: July 14, 2021, 12:08:58 PM »
It's a photoshop, and true to form, you missed the point.

Exactly where does the government get the right to interfere with private discourse?

The government doesn't have the right to interfere with private discourse as implied by the picture.

However, you just said the picture is a fake. So as far as I know, the government is not intercepting and blocking SMS messages about covid as is implied by the picture.

If there is evidence that the government is doing so, then I would be interested. Otherwise, this seems like furor over manufactured evidence.

EDITED TO ADD:

Its a joking reference to this...

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"Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages. The goal is to ensure that people who may have difficulty getting a vaccination because of issues like transportation see those barriers lessened or removed entirely."

Here is the full article

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278

So people are interpreting "dispel misinformation" as that the DNC and other groups will start intercepting and blocking SMS messages about covid. That seems like a stretch to me, and the more straightforward interpretation of this is that the DNC will be posting fact checks and sending out information on vaccine availability and transportation.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2021, 12:20:31 PM by jhkim »

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #425 on: July 14, 2021, 01:17:50 PM »
It's a photoshop, and true to form, you missed the point.

Exactly where does the government get the right to interfere with private discourse?

The government doesn't have the right to interfere with private discourse as implied by the picture.

However, you just said the picture is a fake. So as far as I know, the government is not intercepting and blocking SMS messages about covid as is implied by the picture.

If there is evidence that the government is doing so, then I would be interested. Otherwise, this seems like furor over manufactured evidence.

EDITED TO ADD:

Its a joking reference to this...

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"Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages. The goal is to ensure that people who may have difficulty getting a vaccination because of issues like transportation see those barriers lessened or removed entirely."

Here is the full article

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278

So people are interpreting "dispel misinformation" as that the DNC and other groups will start intercepting and blocking SMS messages about covid. That seems like a stretch to me, and the more straightforward interpretation of this is that the DNC will be posting fact checks and sending out information on vaccine availability and transportation.
That's because 'dispel misinformation' is a dog whistle for 'spread bullshit when we get called out on falsehoods'.

And we do not trust them to not fuck with us. The end.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #426 on: July 14, 2021, 01:48:37 PM »
Plenty of things we're dealing with now would have felt like a stretch 2 years ago. Stuff like, oh I don't know, kindergartners wearing a mask all day in school or our supposed unbiased masters at the CDC dictating when and where I go in public. Priests being refused the ability to give the last rites to their dying parishioners. Doctors lying on death certificates so they can get more gibs.

A text message getting a man in the middle message added to it? That's nothing.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #427 on: July 14, 2021, 02:05:11 PM »
What's the source on this? Is the grandmother OK?

SMS messages are handled by regulated network and are supposed to be private (though they are often transmitted plain text and are not secure). So I'd be interested in any further information on what's happening here. (Unless it is just created as a graphic rather than a screenshot of a real conversation.) I do note that there are voluntary apps that one can install to filter SMS messages to reduce spam. Here's an article on covid-19 scam filtering, for example:

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/new-text-blocking-app-protects-against-covid-19-scams-060920.html
It's obviously fake. 
It's a hot take on what could happen if SMS carriers implemented an AI censorship program similar to what twitter/facebook/youtube are doing (on behalf of the government!).
From the article posted by Ghostmaker...
"Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages."


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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #428 on: July 14, 2021, 02:18:06 PM »
It's a photoshop, and true to form, you missed the point.

Exactly where does the government get the right to interfere with private discourse?

The government doesn't have the right to interfere with private discourse as implied by the picture.

However, you just said the picture is a fake. So as far as I know, the government is not intercepting and blocking SMS messages about covid as is implied by the picture.

If there is evidence that the government is doing so, then I would be interested. Otherwise, this seems like furor over manufactured evidence.

EDITED TO ADD:

Its a joking reference to this...

Quote
"Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages. The goal is to ensure that people who may have difficulty getting a vaccination because of issues like transportation see those barriers lessened or removed entirely."

Here is the full article

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278

So people are interpreting "dispel misinformation" as that the DNC and other groups will start intercepting and blocking SMS messages about covid. That seems like a stretch to me, and the more straightforward interpretation of this is that the DNC will be posting fact checks and sending out information on vaccine availability and transportation.

Oh, I'm sorry should I have picked another site to quote from.  I'm sorry, I should have known an alt-right site like Politico wouldn't be acceptable to you...

Did you even read the section I quoted,,,,

Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages."

If they are planning to 'dispel info' about the vaccine that someone sends in a text message that means they obviously have to 'intercept' it at some point...

If you lick a little harder, that boot will really shine.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #429 on: July 14, 2021, 02:59:23 PM »

Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages."

If they are planning to 'dispel info' about the vaccine that someone sends in a text message that means they obviously have to 'intercept' it at some point...
I've read the article a couple times, searching for all references to SMS, and it's all horribly vague. One of the examples they give of what they intend to counter is Turning Point sent out SMSes encouraging people to sign a petition against "medical raids". But you normally can't just blast out SMSes. It requires explicit consent. The people Turning Point is contacted had to opt-in. It wasn't a blast spam to some targeted demographic.

They talk about contacting "carriers". The simplest reading is they're contacting the companies that manage the flow of SMS (i.e. mostly telecom companies), but it could also be a reference to various third party services that manage bulk SMSes. It could imply interception, but it could also be requesting copies of bulk texts sent by companies like Turning Point. I.e. reading them at the point of origin, instead of compromising the network. Even more simply, they could just be using the carriers to send out of their messages, to their own opted-in lists. There are some massive legal and technical barriers for the more intrusive versions, so the default should be skepticism without more information, which the article does not provide.

The person writing the article probably isn't very knowledgeable about the technical aspects, and only makes a few vague statements which are hard to interpret. So both sides are drawing conclusions that are too strong based on the evidence. It's most likely on the benign side, but there are some worrisome hints/possible interpretations, and especially given the perfidy and legally unjustifiably overreach of the government over everything covid-related, it's also perfectly reasonable to demand more clarification.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #430 on: July 14, 2021, 04:51:05 PM »
It's a photoshop, and true to form, you missed the point.

Exactly where does the government get the right to interfere with private discourse?

The government doesn't have the right to interfere with private discourse as implied by the picture.

However, you just said the picture is a fake. So as far as I know, the government is not intercepting and blocking SMS messages about covid as is implied by the picture.

If there is evidence that the government is doing so, then I would be interested. Otherwise, this seems like furor over manufactured evidence.

EDITED TO ADD:

Its a joking reference to this...

Quote
"Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages. The goal is to ensure that people who may have difficulty getting a vaccination because of issues like transportation see those barriers lessened or removed entirely."

Here is the full article

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/12/biden-covid-vaccination-campaign-499278

So people are interpreting "dispel misinformation" as that the DNC and other groups will start intercepting and blocking SMS messages about covid. That seems like a stretch to me, and the more straightforward interpretation of this is that the DNC will be posting fact checks and sending out information on vaccine availability and transportation.

Considering the lies and underhanded manipulation the government has indulged in since the beginning of the pandemic, I wouldn't trust them to tell us the time.
I would not be surprised if they did start intercepting and blocking our communications "for our own good".
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #431 on: July 14, 2021, 06:02:38 PM »

Biden allied groups, including the Democratic National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers to dispel misinformation about vaccines that is sent over social media and text messages."

If they are planning to 'dispel info' about the vaccine that someone sends in a text message that means they obviously have to 'intercept' it at some point...
I've read the article a couple times, searching for all references to SMS, and it's all horribly vague. One of the examples they give of what they intend to counter is Turning Point sent out SMSes encouraging people to sign a petition against "medical raids". But you normally can't just blast out SMSes. It requires explicit consent. The people Turning Point is contacted had to opt-in. It wasn't a blast spam to some targeted demographic.

They talk about contacting "carriers". The simplest reading is they're contacting the companies that manage the flow of SMS (i.e. mostly telecom companies), but it could also be a reference to various third party services that manage bulk SMSes. It could imply interception, but it could also be requesting copies of bulk texts sent by companies like Turning Point. I.e. reading them at the point of origin, instead of compromising the network. Even more simply, they could just be using the carriers to send out of their messages, to their own opted-in lists. There are some massive legal and technical barriers for the more intrusive versions, so the default should be skepticism without more information, which the article does not provide.

The person writing the article probably isn't very knowledgeable about the technical aspects, and only makes a few vague statements which are hard to interpret. So both sides are drawing conclusions that are too strong based on the evidence. It's most likely on the benign side, but there are some worrisome hints/possible interpretations, and especially given the perfidy and legally unjustifiably overreach of the government over everything covid-related, it's also perfectly reasonable to demand more clarification.

All the 'legal' issues will be ignored and the courts will rule you don't have standing because you have to prove that it specifically caused you some 'tangible' harm...
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #432 on: July 14, 2021, 07:03:08 PM »
The details here are pretty vague, but we can know a couple of things. One is that whatever they're planning on doing, it's highly illegal. The second is that they will go ahead and do it regardless because the courts are too cowardly/corrupt to stop it.

I honestly hope this is as draconian and intrusive as possible. I'd much rather this boiling point is reached BEFORE we get to the mandatory vaccination & mandatory passport-to-leave-your-house point.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #433 on: July 14, 2021, 08:11:28 PM »
The details here are pretty vague, but we can know a couple of things. One is that whatever they're planning on doing, it's highly illegal. The second is that they will go ahead and do it regardless because the courts are too cowardly/corrupt to stop it.

I honestly hope this is as draconian and intrusive as possible. I'd much rather this boiling point is reached BEFORE we get to the mandatory vaccination & mandatory passport-to-leave-your-house point.

I'm not clear on what we're talking about here.

I am hugely opposed to a lot of government privacy-invading practices that I know have gone on -- like the NSA phone metadata tapping revealed by Edward Snowden, or the warrantless pulls of phone geolocation data revealed in the Supreme Court decision on Carpenter, or just the millions of warrants passed through en masse, and lots of other privacy invasions and interceptions. I agree that both federal and state governments have done a ton of this and are likely to continue.

But that doesn't mean that I will automatically believe any claim made about governments - particularly if the claim is vague and has no cited evidence.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #434 on: July 15, 2021, 08:24:10 AM »
I hope you never need to use the emergency department. They charge you for every procedure too.

I'm not American, you fuckwit. I only pay for healthcare through taxation (and my private care through a voluntary contribution from my salary).
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