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Author Topic: Here's your Mask Protocol  (Read 71464 times)

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #150 on: April 22, 2021, 09:31:52 PM »

Air flows into the cabin vertically — it enters from overhead vents and is sent downward in a circular motion, exiting at floor level. Once air leaves the cabin, about half is dumped outside, and the rest is sent through HEPA (high-efficiency particulate air) filters, similar to those used in hospitals, before being mixed with fresh outside air and entering the cabin again.

Studies before Covid showed air at an airplane seat is incredible pure, relative to almost any other place you will find yourself around other people. It's one of the only places you can go where your seat's air is constantly on and continually filtered for you. You are not in an "enclosed space" in terms of the air, nor are you "breathing the same recirculated air" as it's continually refreshed.
And each person effectively gets their own ventilation system, because each seat has its own airflow directed at them. That's why it really stands out to me -- like GeekyBugle, my initial reaction was that airlines would be hotbeds of disease. But the evidence was really clear, and once you think about it a little further, it does make sense.

So, assuming you're both correct...

What's the pretext to perpetuate the use of masks outside? Are you telling me I'm at more risk at a park than on an airplane?

And it begs the question, what's the reason then for the ban on smoking on airplanes? Those wornderful filters can filter viruses but not the smoke of cigarretes?
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #151 on: April 22, 2021, 09:35:56 PM »
Another issue worth mentioning is that, while the usefulness of most cheap masks for preventing the wearer from contracting airborne viral illnesses is probably modest to nil, the evidence is clear that they are more useful at preventing the wearer from spreading disease to others. So, if you are a complete sociopath you might question whether or not you need to wear one, but otherwise it is obvious you should. It's a little like imagining that you could only wear a car seatbelt if someone else puts it on you (kinky...?).
Or maybe if you’re that worried about it you should stay the fuck home. What a novel concept!
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #152 on: April 23, 2021, 10:18:47 AM »
Air flows into the cabin vertically — it enters from overhead vents and is sent downward in a circular motion, exiting at floor level. Once air leaves the cabin, about half is dumped outside, and the rest is sent through HEPA (high-efficiency particulate air) filters, similar to those used in hospitals, before being mixed with fresh outside air and entering the cabin again.

Studies before Covid showed air at an airplane seat is incredible pure, relative to almost any other place you will find yourself around other people. It's one of the only places you can go where your seat's air is constantly on and continually filtered for you. You are not in an "enclosed space" in terms of the air, nor are you "breathing the same recirculated air" as it's continually refreshed.
And each person effectively gets their own ventilation system, because each seat has its own airflow directed at them. That's why it really stands out to me -- like GeekyBugle, my initial reaction was that airlines would be hotbeds of disease. But the evidence was really clear, and once you think about it a little further, it does make sense.

So, assuming you're both correct...

What's the pretext to perpetuate the use of masks outside? Are you telling me I'm at more risk at a park than on an airplane?

And it begs the question, what's the reason then for the ban on smoking on airplanes? Those wornderful filters can filter viruses but not the smoke of cigarretes?

Even among those who recommend masks, many don't think that wearing a mask outside is useful.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/well/live/covid-masks-outdoors.html

I don't know much about the filtering of cigarette smoke - but there are many substances that are smaller than aerosolized droplets, like odors. For example, an N95 mask will protect against many particulates - that's why it's recommended when dealing with wood smoke. But you can still smell the smoke through the mask - i.e. the odor parts of the smoke get through, but most particulates do not.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #153 on: April 23, 2021, 10:26:01 AM »
I love hearing the idiots say you'll get hypoxia from wearing a mask because it keeps oxygen out and holds carbon dioxide in... Yet both of these molecules are vastly smaller than the COVID-19 virus that these same morons insist pass through the mask with ease. It takes some real Tucker Carlson-level dumb to not see the contradictions in these stances.

Oh, and here is a source if you like. https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #154 on: April 23, 2021, 11:17:58 AM »
I love hearing the idiots say you'll get hypoxia from wearing a mask because it keeps oxygen out and holds carbon dioxide in... Yet both of these molecules are vastly smaller than the COVID-19 virus that these same morons insist pass through the mask with ease. It takes some real Tucker Carlson-level dumb to not see the contradictions in these stances.

Oh, and here is a source if you like. https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths

Nice strawman you've got there (unless you can point to someone here that has that position?), you sure you can beat it to death by yourself?
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #155 on: April 23, 2021, 11:23:25 AM »
It's also an apparent contradiction not a real contradiction. Covid-19 is spread by aerosolization, which relies on the gradual increase in the concentration levels in an enclosed area. Breathing is an active process, with about 20 exhalations per minute, and thus can be affected by impeded airflow, and result in high but temporary concentrations, neither of which is primarily about particle size. I'm not making any statement on the validity of the claim, just that the argument against it isn't good.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #156 on: April 23, 2021, 11:26:41 AM »
I love hearing the idiots say you'll get hypoxia from wearing a mask because it keeps oxygen out and holds carbon dioxide in... Yet both of these molecules are vastly smaller than the COVID-19 virus that these same morons insist pass through the mask with ease. It takes some real Tucker Carlson-level dumb to not see the contradictions in these stances.

Oh, and here is a source if you like. https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths

Nice strawman you've got there (unless you can point to someone here that has that position?), you sure you can beat it to death by yourself?
Remember the guy that claimed to have a Stanford study? Read his piece on the harmfulness of masks and you'll see an example of the hypoxia nonsense.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #157 on: April 23, 2021, 11:42:04 AM »
I love hearing the idiots say you'll get hypoxia from wearing a mask because it keeps oxygen out and holds carbon dioxide in... Yet both of these molecules are vastly smaller than the COVID-19 virus that these same morons insist pass through the mask with ease. It takes some real Tucker Carlson-level dumb to not see the contradictions in these stances.

Oh, and here is a source if you like. https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths

Nice strawman you've got there (unless you can point to someone here that has that position?), you sure you can beat it to death by yourself?
Remember the guy that claimed to have a Stanford study? Read his piece on the harmfulness of masks and you'll see an example of the hypoxia nonsense.

Totally, I'm gonna go luck for it instead of you providing evidence of your claims.
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Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

― George Orwell

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #158 on: April 23, 2021, 11:56:27 AM »
I love hearing the idiots say you'll get hypoxia from wearing a mask because it keeps oxygen out and holds carbon dioxide in... Yet both of these molecules are vastly smaller than the COVID-19 virus that these same morons insist pass through the mask with ease. It takes some real Tucker Carlson-level dumb to not see the contradictions in these stances.

Oh, and here is a source if you like. https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths

Nice strawman you've got there (unless you can point to someone here that has that position?), you sure you can beat it to death by yourself?
Remember the guy that claimed to have a Stanford study? Read his piece on the harmfulness of masks and you'll see an example of the hypoxia nonsense.

Totally, I'm gonna go luck for it instead of you providing evidence of your claims.
You really are a lazy piece of shit with a short memory aren't you? It's not like we haven't been talking about the study in question for the last two pages of this thread, starting with post #116, but you need to be spoon-fed, don't ya?

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #159 on: April 23, 2021, 11:59:48 AM »
I love hearing the idiots say you'll get hypoxia from wearing a mask because it keeps oxygen out and holds carbon dioxide in... Yet both of these molecules are vastly smaller than the COVID-19 virus that these same morons insist pass through the mask with ease. It takes some real Tucker Carlson-level dumb to not see the contradictions in these stances.

Oh, and here is a source if you like. https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths

Nice strawman you've got there (unless you can point to someone here that has that position?), you sure you can beat it to death by yourself?
Remember the guy that claimed to have a Stanford study? Read his piece on the harmfulness of masks and you'll see an example of the hypoxia nonsense.

Totally, I'm gonna go luck for it instead of you providing evidence of your claims.
You really are a lazy piece of shit with a short memory aren't you? It's not like we haven't been talking about the study in question for the last two pages of this thread, starting with post #116, but you need to be spoon-fed, don't ya?

never provide evidence. not even shitposting (I mean I am shitposting but still). Stop wasting time.
I don't want to play with you.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #160 on: April 23, 2021, 12:54:49 PM »
I love hearing the idiots say you'll get hypoxia from wearing a mask because it keeps oxygen out and holds carbon dioxide in... Yet both of these molecules are vastly smaller than the COVID-19 virus that these same morons insist pass through the mask with ease. It takes some real Tucker Carlson-level dumb to not see the contradictions in these stances.

Oh, and here is a source if you like. https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths

Nice strawman you've got there (unless you can point to someone here that has that position?), you sure you can beat it to death by yourself?
Remember the guy that claimed to have a Stanford study? Read his piece on the harmfulness of masks and you'll see an example of the hypoxia nonsense.

Totally, I'm gonna go luck for it instead of you providing evidence of your claims.
You really are a lazy piece of shit with a short memory aren't you? It's not like we haven't been talking about the study in question for the last two pages of this thread, starting with post #116, but you need to be spoon-fed, don't ya?

never provide evidence. not even shitposting (I mean I am shitposting but still). Stop wasting time.
What evidence do you offer to support that the claim that you're shitposting?

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #161 on: April 23, 2021, 12:59:37 PM »
I love hearing the idiots say you'll get hypoxia from wearing a mask because it keeps oxygen out and holds carbon dioxide in... Yet both of these molecules are vastly smaller than the COVID-19 virus that these same morons insist pass through the mask with ease. It takes some real Tucker Carlson-level dumb to not see the contradictions in these stances.

Oh, and here is a source if you like. https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths

Nice strawman you've got there (unless you can point to someone here that has that position?), you sure you can beat it to death by yourself?
Remember the guy that claimed to have a Stanford study? Read his piece on the harmfulness of masks and you'll see an example of the hypoxia nonsense.

Totally, I'm gonna go luck for it instead of you providing evidence of your claims.
You really are a lazy piece of shit with a short memory aren't you? It's not like we haven't been talking about the study in question for the last two pages of this thread, starting with post #116, but you need to be spoon-fed, don't ya?

never provide evidence. not even shitposting (I mean I am shitposting but still). Stop wasting time.
What evidence do you offer to support that the claim that you're shitposting?

goddammit we talked about this behavior
I don't want to play with you.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #162 on: April 23, 2021, 01:28:40 PM »
I love hearing the idiots say you'll get hypoxia from wearing a mask because it keeps oxygen out and holds carbon dioxide in... Yet both of these molecules are vastly smaller than the COVID-19 virus that these same morons insist pass through the mask with ease. It takes some real Tucker Carlson-level dumb to not see the contradictions in these stances.

Oh, and here is a source if you like. https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths

Nice strawman you've got there (unless you can point to someone here that has that position?), you sure you can beat it to death by yourself?
Remember the guy that claimed to have a Stanford study? Read his piece on the harmfulness of masks and you'll see an example of the hypoxia nonsense.

Totally, I'm gonna go luck for it instead of you providing evidence of your claims.
You really are a lazy piece of shit with a short memory aren't you? It's not like we haven't been talking about the study in question for the last two pages of this thread, starting with post #116, but you need to be spoon-fed, don't ya?

When have I spoken about that? Also he who makes the claim has the burden of proof. But it's too much to ask of a leftie to stick to logic.
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Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

― George Orwell

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #163 on: April 23, 2021, 01:40:03 PM »
I love hearing the idiots say you'll get hypoxia from wearing a mask because it keeps oxygen out and holds carbon dioxide in... Yet both of these molecules are vastly smaller than the COVID-19 virus that these same morons insist pass through the mask with ease. It takes some real Tucker Carlson-level dumb to not see the contradictions in these stances.

Oh, and here is a source if you like. https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths

Nice strawman you've got there (unless you can point to someone here that has that position?), you sure you can beat it to death by yourself?
Remember the guy that claimed to have a Stanford study? Read his piece on the harmfulness of masks and you'll see an example of the hypoxia nonsense.

Totally, I'm gonna go luck for it instead of you providing evidence of your claims.
You really are a lazy piece of shit with a short memory aren't you? It's not like we haven't been talking about the study in question for the last two pages of this thread, starting with post #116, but you need to be spoon-fed, don't ya?

When have I spoken about that? Also he who makes the claim has the burden of proof. But it's too much to ask of a leftie to stick to logic.
Did you somehow believe that I started this line in response to you? If so, that's your mistake. I was making a general response to the thread, not commenting on your particular brand of ignorance. And considering how far gone you are into the crazy-land side of right-wing, being called a leftie by you is hardly an insult.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #164 on: April 23, 2021, 02:19:55 PM »
I love hearing the idiots say you'll get hypoxia from wearing a mask because it keeps oxygen out and holds carbon dioxide in... Yet both of these molecules are vastly smaller than the COVID-19 virus that these same morons insist pass through the mask with ease. It takes some real Tucker Carlson-level dumb to not see the contradictions in these stances.

Oh, and here is a source if you like. https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths

Nice strawman you've got there (unless you can point to someone here that has that position?), you sure you can beat it to death by yourself?
Remember the guy that claimed to have a Stanford study? Read his piece on the harmfulness of masks and you'll see an example of the hypoxia nonsense.

Totally, I'm gonna go luck for it instead of you providing evidence of your claims.
You really are a lazy piece of shit with a short memory aren't you? It's not like we haven't been talking about the study in question for the last two pages of this thread, starting with post #116, but you need to be spoon-fed, don't ya?

When have I spoken about that? Also he who makes the claim has the burden of proof. But it's too much to ask of a leftie to stick to logic.

yeah what's your goalposts so we know when you move em
I don't want to play with you.