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Author Topic: Here's your Mask Protocol  (Read 71507 times)

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #135 on: April 21, 2021, 10:20:51 AM »
I imagine that caveat was added after the study was linked to so often.

Yeah I get what it's saying: much of the same stuff from that guy's paper about the adverse affects of prolonged mask-wearing. That was the part of the paper that I agreed with. Of course people aren't meant to wear masks over their mouths and noses. The ill-affects are still not as bad for the elderly and middle-aged obese as Covid is, so that's a trade-off that people make.

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« Reply #137 on: April 21, 2021, 11:20:42 AM »
If Texas and Florida have proven anything it's that going outside and getting some sun is far more effective than vaccines or masks.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

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« Reply #138 on: April 21, 2021, 05:15:00 PM »
If Texas and Florida have proven anything it's that going outside and getting some sun is far more effective than vaccines or masks.
I'm not going to speak for Texas, but Florida has mask use and vaccines alongside getting sun.

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« Reply #139 on: April 22, 2021, 12:57:25 PM »
The anti-maskers posting here are mostly driven by two intellectual mistakes:

1) confirmation bias, where they lean heavily on studies that were too small to resolve population-wide effects on the order of 10's of %, or were so uncontrolled that it is hard to know whether or what masks were really being worn. Confirmation bias has become a way of life in our politically fractured country, but it is still the mark of a dip shit whose brain doesn't work.

2) failure to recognize that population-scale mitigation of infectious disease is not a one-solution thing; it is more like engineering commercial air travel to be less dangerous - effective solutions come from layering of multiple approaches, each of which only reduces overall negative outcomes by some marginal amount. That doesn't mean each of them is pointless. It means the opposite of that: the only rational approach is to do all of the marginally helpful things you can.

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« Reply #140 on: April 22, 2021, 02:42:38 PM »

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« Reply #141 on: April 22, 2021, 04:24:59 PM »
Another issue worth mentioning is that, while the usefulness of most cheap masks for preventing the wearer from contracting airborne viral illnesses is probably modest to nil, the evidence is clear that they are more useful at preventing the wearer from spreading disease to others. So, if you are a complete sociopath you might question whether or not you need to wear one, but otherwise it is obvious you should. It's a little like imagining that you could only wear a car seatbelt if someone else puts it on you (kinky...?).

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« Reply #142 on: April 22, 2021, 04:50:11 PM »
The anti-maskers posting here are mostly driven by two intellectual mistakes:

1) confirmation bias, where they lean heavily on studies that were too small to resolve population-wide effects on the order of 10's of %, or were so uncontrolled that it is hard to know whether or what masks were really being worn. Confirmation bias has become a way of life in our politically fractured country, but it is still the mark of a dip shit whose brain doesn't work.

2) failure to recognize that population-scale mitigation of infectious disease is not a one-solution thing; it is more like engineering commercial air travel to be less dangerous - effective solutions come from layering of multiple approaches, each of which only reduces overall negative outcomes by some marginal amount. That doesn't mean each of them is pointless. It means the opposite of that: the only rational approach is to do all of the marginally helpful things you can.

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« Reply #143 on: April 22, 2021, 05:34:20 PM »
The anti-maskers posting here are mostly driven by two intellectual mistakes:

1) confirmation bias, where they lean heavily on studies that were too small to resolve population-wide effects on the order of 10's of %, or were so uncontrolled that it is hard to know whether or what masks were really being worn. Confirmation bias has become a way of life in our politically fractured country, but it is still the mark of a dip shit whose brain doesn't work.

2) failure to recognize that population-scale mitigation of infectious disease is not a one-solution thing; it is more like engineering commercial air travel to be less dangerous - effective solutions come from layering of multiple approaches, each of which only reduces overall negative outcomes by some marginal amount. That doesn't mean each of them is pointless. It means the opposite of that: the only rational approach is to do all of the marginally helpful things you can.

The evidence shows it's contracted mostly in closed spaces, your risk in the open air nears zero.

Speaking of Commercial Flight, have the airplanes been retrofitted with EPA filters capable of filtering out viruses?

The issue you have is with people speking against stuff being mandatory and confusing that with science denial.

Maybe due to your own confirmation bias that claims all those who speak against things your support must be science deniers?
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« Reply #144 on: April 22, 2021, 05:39:33 PM »
Speaking of Commercial Flight, have the airplanes been retrofitted with EPA filters capable of filtering out viruses?
Doesn't seem necessary, the fairly thorough air filtration they use seems to work. Airlines spread covid, but only the sense that sick people get on, get off, and then spread it to people at their destination. There don't seem to have been any mass infections on an airplane since almost the start of the pandemic.

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« Reply #145 on: April 22, 2021, 05:43:54 PM »
Speaking of Commercial Flight, have the airplanes been retrofitted with EPA filters capable of filtering out viruses?
Doesn't seem necessary, the fairly thorough air filtration they use seems to work. Airlines spread covid, but only the sense that sick people get on, get off, and then spread it to people at their destination. There don't seem to have been any mass infections on an airplane since almost the start of the pandemic.

Mainly because the flights were near zero, and because you can't know if a bunch of people comming from the same place got it before or during flight.

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« Reply #146 on: April 22, 2021, 05:47:35 PM »
Speaking of Commercial Flight, have the airplanes been retrofitted with EPA filters capable of filtering out viruses?
Doesn't seem necessary, the fairly thorough air filtration they use seems to work. Airlines spread covid, but only the sense that sick people get on, get off, and then spread it to people at their destination. There don't seem to have been any mass infections on an airplane since almost the start of the pandemic.

Mainly because the flights were near zero, and because you can't know if a bunch of people comming from the same place got it before or during flight.
Nah, airlines actually make contact tracing very easy. You know exactly who, when, where, and who they were in contact with. It would be very easy to figure out if it happened, but airlines simply don't seem to be a place where the disease spreads. If someone sick flies somewhere, they might spread it there, but not to anyone else on the plane.

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« Reply #147 on: April 22, 2021, 06:28:00 PM »
Speaking of Commercial Flight, have the airplanes been retrofitted with EPA filters capable of filtering out viruses?
Doesn't seem necessary, the fairly thorough air filtration they use seems to work. Airlines spread covid, but only the sense that sick people get on, get off, and then spread it to people at their destination. There don't seem to have been any mass infections on an airplane since almost the start of the pandemic.

Mainly because the flights were near zero, and because you can't know if a bunch of people comming from the same place got it before or during flight.
Nah, airlines actually make contact tracing very easy. You know exactly who, when, where, and who they were in contact with. It would be very easy to figure out if it happened, but airlines simply don't seem to be a place where the disease spreads. If someone sick flies somewhere, they might spread it there, but not to anyone else on the plane.

Weird you can spend hours in a closed space, breathing the same recirculated air with not optimal face masks and have zero transmission...
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« Reply #148 on: April 22, 2021, 06:37:23 PM »
Speaking of Commercial Flight, have the airplanes been retrofitted with EPA filters capable of filtering out viruses?
Doesn't seem necessary, the fairly thorough air filtration they use seems to work. Airlines spread covid, but only the sense that sick people get on, get off, and then spread it to people at their destination. There don't seem to have been any mass infections on an airplane since almost the start of the pandemic.

Mainly because the flights were near zero, and because you can't know if a bunch of people comming from the same place got it before or during flight.
Nah, airlines actually make contact tracing very easy. You know exactly who, when, where, and who they were in contact with. It would be very easy to figure out if it happened, but airlines simply don't seem to be a place where the disease spreads. If someone sick flies somewhere, they might spread it there, but not to anyone else on the plane.

Weird you can spend hours in a closed space, breathing the same recirculated air with not optimal face masks and have zero transmission...

Air flows into the cabin vertically — it enters from overhead vents and is sent downward in a circular motion, exiting at floor level. Once air leaves the cabin, about half is dumped outside, and the rest is sent through HEPA (high-efficiency particulate air) filters, similar to those used in hospitals, before being mixed with fresh outside air and entering the cabin again.

Studies before Covid showed air at an airplane seat is incredible pure, relative to almost any other place you will find yourself around other people. It's one of the only places you can go where your seat's air is constantly on and continually filtered for you. You are not in an "enclosed space" in terms of the air, nor are you "breathing the same recirculated air" as it's continually refreshed.

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« Reply #149 on: April 22, 2021, 07:58:31 PM »

Air flows into the cabin vertically — it enters from overhead vents and is sent downward in a circular motion, exiting at floor level. Once air leaves the cabin, about half is dumped outside, and the rest is sent through HEPA (high-efficiency particulate air) filters, similar to those used in hospitals, before being mixed with fresh outside air and entering the cabin again.

Studies before Covid showed air at an airplane seat is incredible pure, relative to almost any other place you will find yourself around other people. It's one of the only places you can go where your seat's air is constantly on and continually filtered for you. You are not in an "enclosed space" in terms of the air, nor are you "breathing the same recirculated air" as it's continually refreshed.
And each person effectively gets their own ventilation system, because each seat has its own airflow directed at them. That's why it really stands out to me -- like GeekyBugle, my initial reaction was that airlines would be hotbeds of disease. But the evidence was really clear, and once you think about it a little further, it does make sense.