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Author Topic: Here's your Mask Protocol  (Read 71407 times)

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #120 on: April 18, 2021, 11:11:50 PM »
Yo face diaper wearing retards!

Peer reviewed STANFORD study says masks are useless.  Fuck you all.



The box the mask comes in literally says they don't do anything to reduce the infection of viruses, so why the fuck do I need a peer-reviewed study to confirm that?

Peak clown world!

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #121 on: April 20, 2021, 11:00:25 AM »
This "study"* was compiled by a clinical exercise physiologist. A glorified fitness trainer is hardly an authority on infectious disease. https://www.linkedin.com/in/baruch-vainshelboim-5591b532

*It was published online as a hypothesis, not a study. i.e. it contains no new information.

I'm not some rabid mask-clutching type, but dumb shit is still dumb shit.


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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #122 on: April 20, 2021, 11:43:03 AM »
This "study"* was compiled by a clinical exercise physiologist. A glorified fitness trainer is hardly an authority on infectious disease. https://www.linkedin.com/in/baruch-vainshelboim-5591b532

*It was published online as a hypothesis, not a study. i.e. it contains no new information.

I'm not some rabid mask-clutching type, but dumb shit is still dumb shit.

Yeah, that's what I see. Here's the paper:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/

Here's how Med Hypotheses describes itself:

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Medical Hypotheses was therefore launched, and still exists today, to give novel, radical new ideas and speculations in medicine open-minded consideration, opening the field to radical hypotheses which would be rejected by most conventional journals. Papers in Medical Hypotheses take a standard scientific form in terms of style, structure and referencing. The journal therefore constitutes a bridge between cutting-edge theory and the mainstream of medical and scientific communication, which ideas must eventually enter if they are to be critiqued and tested against observations.
Source: https://www.journals.elsevier.com/medical-hypotheses

That is how the journal describes itself. It is *not* a standard peer-reviewed journal, and it itself claims that ideas published in it must go to mainstream peer-reviewed journals to be tested against observations.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #123 on: April 20, 2021, 12:02:45 PM »
This "study"* was compiled by a clinical exercise physiologist. A glorified fitness trainer is hardly an authority on infectious disease. https://www.linkedin.com/in/baruch-vainshelboim-5591b532

*It was published online as a hypothesis, not a study. i.e. it contains no new information.

I'm not some rabid mask-clutching type, but dumb shit is still dumb shit.

I'd trust a fucking clinical exercise physiologist over any of these "doctors" running around with absolutely zero pragmatic experience. All those "experts" rarely, if ever, have practiced medicine, and most have never been outside of a fucking lab. But you know that, don't you? Once again, attack the messenger, don't address the actual information contained within because you don't like the conclusion. Modern day science!

EDIT: Did you even bother to read this dude's publications?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=Vainshelboim%20B%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=33303303

Seems like a fucking expert on the topic of pulmonary health if I've ever seen one.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #124 on: April 20, 2021, 12:08:23 PM »
Only the authority that agrees with me is good, all the other authority is bad. Clown world! Sad.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #125 on: April 20, 2021, 12:45:29 PM »
This "study"* was compiled by a clinical exercise physiologist. A glorified fitness trainer is hardly an authority on infectious disease. https://www.linkedin.com/in/baruch-vainshelboim-5591b532

*It was published online as a hypothesis, not a study. i.e. it contains no new information.

I'm not some rabid mask-clutching type, but dumb shit is still dumb shit.
He's got a Ph.D. from Stanford and is an active researcher. He's not a medical doctor, but he has advanced knowledge in a relevant field. This is more about statistics and physiology than clinical judgments, anyway.

The "hypothesis" seems to a convention of the journal. It's not some magical thing that's different from a study. Though you're correct it doesn't contain much in the way of new information. It's effectively a meta-study, a survey and summary of the relevant literature, and doesn't really transform the information in new ways. As a result, it's mostly useful as a summary and a source of references.

It's also worth noting that it's hosted on the National Institute of Health's website, but that's not an endorsement by the government. The National Library of Medicine is just a public service, providing access to medical resources. JHKim is correct that the journal appears to be a publication aimed at ideas a bit outside the mainstream, but while being hosted by the NIH isn't an endorsement, it does suggest it's a legitimate journal. It's for emerging or less popular ideas, not nutty conspiracy theories.


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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #126 on: April 20, 2021, 02:19:56 PM »
He's got a Ph.D. from Stanford and is an active researcher. He's not a medical doctor, but he has advanced knowledge in a relevant field. This is more about statistics and physiology than clinical judgments, anyway.

The "hypothesis" seems to a convention of the journal. It's not some magical thing that's different from a study. Though you're correct it doesn't contain much in the way of new information. It's effectively a meta-study, a survey and summary of the relevant literature, and doesn't really transform the information in new ways. As a result, it's mostly useful as a summary and a source of references.

It's also worth noting that it's hosted on the National Institute of Health's website, but that's not an endorsement by the government. The National Library of Medicine is just a public service, providing access to medical resources. JHKim is correct that the journal appears to be a publication aimed at ideas a bit outside the mainstream, but while being hosted by the NIH isn't an endorsement, it does suggest it's a legitimate journal. It's for emerging or less popular ideas, not nutty conspiracy theories.

I agree it's not a nutty conspiracy theory. Still, it's a single author non-peer-reviewed paper with no new data. The author has a PhD and works at Stanford, but he doesn't seem to have any experience or done research in infectious disease.

I don't see any reason to take this one author over any other expert, especially people with specific experience and research in respiratory diseases. There are differences of opinion among those, but most of them do recommend masks based on the studies. They don't make as much difference as many laypeople believe, but it's not crazy to believe there is some benefit - though there is also room for doubt.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #127 on: April 20, 2021, 02:29:25 PM »
He's got a Ph.D. from Stanford and is an active researcher. He's not a medical doctor, but he has advanced knowledge in a relevant field. This is more about statistics and physiology than clinical judgments, anyway.

The "hypothesis" seems to a convention of the journal. It's not some magical thing that's different from a study. Though you're correct it doesn't contain much in the way of new information. It's effectively a meta-study, a survey and summary of the relevant literature, and doesn't really transform the information in new ways. As a result, it's mostly useful as a summary and a source of references.

It's also worth noting that it's hosted on the National Institute of Health's website, but that's not an endorsement by the government. The National Library of Medicine is just a public service, providing access to medical resources. JHKim is correct that the journal appears to be a publication aimed at ideas a bit outside the mainstream, but while being hosted by the NIH isn't an endorsement, it does suggest it's a legitimate journal. It's for emerging or less popular ideas, not nutty conspiracy theories.

I agree it's not a nutty conspiracy theory. Still, it's a single author non-peer-reviewed paper with no new data. The author has a PhD and works at Stanford, but he doesn't seem to have any experience or done research in infectious disease.

I don't see any reason to take this one author over any other expert, especially people with specific experience and research in respiratory diseases. There are differences of opinion among those, but most of them do recommend masks based on the studies. They don't make as much difference as many laypeople believe, but it's not crazy to believe there is some benefit - though there is also room for doubt.
I don't see any significant difference in what I said, although the bulk of the evidence outside this particular article doesn't support masks.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #128 on: April 20, 2021, 03:58:37 PM »
Will the upcoming riots in Minneapolis feature masks?

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #129 on: April 20, 2021, 04:08:52 PM »
Will the upcoming riots in Minneapolis feature masks?

Rioters are immune from kung-flu, and also spreading it.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #130 on: April 20, 2021, 04:10:00 PM »
Will the upcoming riots in Minneapolis feature masks?

Seem popular among the cops.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #131 on: April 20, 2021, 05:57:38 PM »
Will the upcoming riots in Minneapolis feature masks?

Seem popular among the cops.
Bandits, Antifa and now cops have figured out the best way to not get in trouble -- wear a mask!

Shame those wacky insurrectionists never figured that out.

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« Reply #132 on: April 20, 2021, 06:21:20 PM »
Will the upcoming riots in Minneapolis feature masks?

Seem popular among the cops.
Bandits, Antifa and now cops have figured out the best way to not get in trouble -- wear a mask!

Shame those wacky insurrectionists never figured that out.

Did they never watch any goddamn westerns
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #133 on: April 21, 2021, 09:52:33 AM »
This "study"* was compiled by a clinical exercise physiologist. A glorified fitness trainer is hardly an authority on infectious disease. https://www.linkedin.com/in/baruch-vainshelboim-5591b532

*It was published online as a hypothesis, not a study. i.e. it contains no new information.

I'm not some rabid mask-clutching type, but dumb shit is still dumb shit.

I'd trust a fucking clinical exercise physiologist over any of these "doctors" running around with absolutely zero pragmatic experience. All those "experts" rarely, if ever, have practiced medicine, and most have never been outside of a fucking lab. But you know that, don't you? Once again, attack the messenger, don't address the actual information contained within because you don't like the conclusion. Modern day science!

EDIT: Did you even bother to read this dude's publications?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=Vainshelboim%20B%5BAuthor%5D&cauthor=true&cauthor_uid=33303303

Seems like a fucking expert on the topic of pulmonary health if I've ever seen one.

I'm fine with the conclusion! I laugh at those who act as though masks are a holy garment. I also don't like inaccurate or false claims though, and I was disappointed when this "peer-reviewed Stanford study" turned out to be a typo-ridden piece authored by a guy whose other papers are all about pulmonary functions and health. It is not peer-reviewed, and does not come from Stanford.

I mean we can't just accept things that we agree with without looking past the headline.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #134 on: April 21, 2021, 10:10:50 AM »
I'm fine with the conclusion! I laugh at those who act as though masks are a holy garment. I also don't like inaccurate or false claims though, and I was disappointed when this "peer-reviewed Stanford study" turned out to be a typo-ridden piece authored by a guy whose other papers are all about pulmonary functions and health. It is not peer-reviewed, and does not come from Stanford.

I mean we can't just accept things that we agree with without looking past the headline.

Fair enough. What about this study from last year then?

https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2020/06/10/ppe-burden/

Notice how they had to add the caveat of RESPIRATORS, even though "N95 FFR" are literally just facemasks. The level of doublespeak and propaganda is astounding.

https://www.homedepot.com/b/Safety-Equipment-Respirator-Masks/N95/N-5yc1vZc25kZ1z195hh?storeSelection=

So basically, N95 masks, which might actually help with the transmission of infection diseases, are detrimental to your health when worn for long periods of time, but the cheap facemasks they tell you to wear when you go to Walmart might be "okay" for respiratory health but don't actually help cut down on the spread of disease. Makes 100% sense to me!
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