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Author Topic: Here's your Mask Protocol  (Read 4465 times)

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #75 on: January 11, 2021, 12:51:39 pm »
Question, how many here have had COVID or know someone that has had it?

I think I might have had it just before March of last year. I was out sick a whole week, and it was the strangest thing. My tongue turned purpleish and I had trouble swallowing, while having mild cold/flu symptoms. I got better and when I made it back to work, the lockdowns started and we went to work from home. So I figured since I felt better, and was self-isolating, getting a test would be pointless. My brother/roommate did not get sick from me so that wasn't an issue.

But since I never got tested, I can't verify that it was Covid-19.

Other than that, I do not know anyone in person or any friend or family member that has gotten Covid.
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« Reply #76 on: January 11, 2021, 02:48:31 pm »
My understanding is actually that 99.8% is the absolute worst survival rate, exhibited only in the 80-and-over age category (with an average of 2.5 co-morbidities). Everyone else's survival rate is significantly higher.

I'm curious what your sources are for that. That would be a 0.2% fatality rate in the worst age category. However, all sources I'm pulling up at random show much worse fatalities - and in national averages, not just the most endagered category. Are you sure not repeating this old canard?
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« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2021, 08:25:59 pm »
Over a fucking virus with a 99.8% survival rate for most of the population.
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My understanding is actually that 99.8% is the absolute worst survival rate, exhibited only in the 80-and-over age category (with an average of 2.5 co-morbidities). Everyone else's survival rate is significantly higher.
No, it's considerably higher than that among the high risk populations. The overall infection fatality rate seems to be about 0.3%, give or take, across the entire population. But that skyrockets after age 60/65. Though it's lower than that for school kids and the working age population -- for those under age 49, it's less lethal the seasonal flu.

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« Reply #78 on: January 12, 2021, 08:31:39 am »
No, it's considerably higher than that among the high risk populations. The overall infection fatality rate seems to be about 0.3%, give or take, across the entire population. But that skyrockets after age 60/65. Though it's lower than that for school kids and the working age population -- for those under age 49, it's less lethal the seasonal flu.
A tinfoil hat theory I've had for a while is that China did cook this bug up, but it wasn't meant to get loose -- it was to cull their aging population and clear them out.

Like I said, very tinfoil hat territory. But let's be honest, we could all easily see the CCP doing this.

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« Reply #79 on: January 12, 2021, 12:43:31 pm »
No, it's considerably higher than that among the high risk populations. The overall infection fatality rate seems to be about 0.3%, give or take, across the entire population. But that skyrockets after age 60/65. Though it's lower than that for school kids and the working age population -- for those under age 49, it's less lethal the seasonal flu.
A tinfoil hat theory I've had for a while is that China did cook this bug up, but it wasn't meant to get loose -- it was to cull their aging population and clear them out.

Like I said, very tinfoil hat territory. But let's be honest, we could all easily see the CCP doing this.

Best theory I heard back in the before times was that this was an attempt to come up with an AIDS vaccine or treatment (not a doctor) that went awry.  Hence the international funding and involvement in the facility -- the AIDS epidemic is a million times worse and something the whole world is concerned about.  It also could explain why some places were successful in treating it with said drugs.

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« Reply #80 on: January 12, 2021, 12:50:16 pm »
No, it's considerably higher than that among the high risk populations. The overall infection fatality rate seems to be about 0.3%, give or take, across the entire population. But that skyrockets after age 60/65. Though it's lower than that for school kids and the working age population -- for those under age 49, it's less lethal the seasonal flu.
A tinfoil hat theory I've had for a while is that China did cook this bug up, but it wasn't meant to get loose -- it was to cull their aging population and clear them out.

Like I said, very tinfoil hat territory. But let's be honest, we could all easily see the CCP doing this.

Best theory I heard back in the before times was that this was an attempt to come up with an AIDS vaccine or treatment (not a doctor) that went awry.  Hence the international funding and involvement in the facility -- the AIDS epidemic is a million times worse and something the whole world is concerned about.  It also could explain why some places were successful in treating it with said drugs.

I recall hearing that theory. The idea was that someone botched containment or safety procedures and several people were exposed at once, leading to the outbreak.

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« Reply #81 on: January 12, 2021, 01:10:57 pm »
No, it's considerably higher than that among the high risk populations. The overall infection fatality rate seems to be about 0.3%, give or take, across the entire population. But that skyrockets after age 60/65. Though it's lower than that for school kids and the working age population -- for those under age 49, it's less lethal the seasonal flu.
A tinfoil hat theory I've had for a while is that China did cook this bug up, but it wasn't meant to get loose -- it was to cull their aging population and clear them out.

Like I said, very tinfoil hat territory. But let's be honest, we could all easily see the CCP doing this.

Best theory I heard back in the before times was that this was an attempt to come up with an AIDS vaccine or treatment (not a doctor) that went awry.  Hence the international funding and involvement in the facility -- the AIDS epidemic is a million times worse and something the whole world is concerned about.  It also could explain why some places were successful in treating it with said drugs.

I recall hearing that theory. The idea was that someone botched containment or safety procedures and several people were exposed at once, leading to the outbreak.

Yup.  While it is fun to engage in conspiracy theories about a massive Maoist plot (especially given their own strategic literature on the topic) 999 out of 1000 times its just plain old human incompetence.  The CCP is just willing to kill millions of people to keep their economy going whereas the baizuo claim that no one should die.

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« Reply #82 on: January 12, 2021, 01:33:29 pm »
Can't argue with any of that. Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained through stupidity. And I've heard tales that ChiCom lab protocols are... um... less than robust. Lots of cargo-cult behavior based on what they observe in Western labs.


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« Reply #83 on: January 12, 2021, 02:53:26 pm »
Can't argue with any of that. Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained through stupidity. And I've heard tales that ChiCom lab protocols are... um... less than robust. Lots of cargo-cult behavior based on what they observe in Western labs.

My favourite theory is that the lab workers sold the bodies of their infected experiments so they could get a few more RMB.
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« Reply #84 on: January 13, 2021, 12:33:12 am »
Question, how many here have had COVID or know someone that has had it?

  about 12 people.  7 fairly well, and the other 5 in passing.  7 of them are over 70.  4 are in their 20's and one is a 40+ with some pre existing health issues.  No fatalities, one hospitalization (pre existing conditions, over 70, and though the research is not solid yet, a susceptible blood type).   

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« Reply #85 on: January 13, 2021, 05:33:57 am »
Can't argue with any of that. Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained through stupidity. And I've heard tales that ChiCom lab protocols are... um... less than robust. Lots of cargo-cult behavior based on what they observe in Western labs.

A friend of mine visited a nuclear facility there (he has an interesting story about the journey there involving swapping taxis in the middle of a field). He said that it was possible to see in to the core of the reactor. (For those who don't know, this is a very bad thing). He didn't do it himself and he reckoned that either the whole thing was a sort of Potempkin Village or that none of the radiation alarms were switched on and the workers there would die very painful deaths.

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« Reply #86 on: January 13, 2021, 06:08:40 am »
Question, how many here have had COVID or know someone that has had it?

  about 12 people.  7 fairly well, and the other 5 in passing.  7 of them are over 70.  4 are in their 20's and one is a 40+ with some pre existing health issues.  No fatalities, one hospitalization (pre existing conditions, over 70, and though the research is not solid yet, a susceptible blood type).

Yeesh, this sort of thing makes me very happy I'm living in Korea. I'm in contact with all kinds of people through my work and ZERO of them have even come into contact with anyone with the virus, at least as far as Korea's very active contact tracing can tell. Like I said upthread the closest I've got to a link to the virus is a worker at my secretary's daughter's daycare who was working with a different batch of kids.
 

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« Reply #87 on: January 13, 2021, 06:35:18 am »
Ignoring the crazy tinfoil hat theorizing, there's a decent case to be made that COVID-19 is the same disease that infected some miners in 2012, samples were transported to Wuhan for study, and later released in a lab accident.

https://www.independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/a-proposed-origin-for-sars-cov-2-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/

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« Reply #88 on: January 13, 2021, 11:17:55 am »
Other than that, I do not know anyone in person or any friend or family member that has gotten Covid.

I personally know two people who tested positive. One didn't even have any symptoms, the other one got the sniffles for a few days. First person is 35, healthy male, second one is a 70 year old woman.

So whatever.

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« Reply #89 on: January 13, 2021, 11:23:31 am »
A friend's family member was positive and passed away recently after being intubated.