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Author Topic: Here's your Mask Protocol  (Read 35104 times)

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #645 on: September 23, 2021, 07:44:43 AM »
Masks for thee but not for me -- you fucking pleb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4jhICpxtec
https://nypost.com/2021/09/17/san-francisco-mayor-london-breed-breaks-mask-mandate-to-go-clubbing/

This was on full show at the G7 in the UK earlier in the year. How anyone thinks this is anything other than theatre is beyond me.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #646 on: September 26, 2021, 12:06:37 PM »
How they handle non-compliance with mask-wearing mandates in Australia.
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1440770631671300106

I am not a "defund the police" guy by any means, but when I see shit like that, I can understand how one could get to that position.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #647 on: September 26, 2021, 09:46:59 PM »
How they handle non-compliance with mask-wearing mandates in Australia.
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1440770631671300106

I am not a "defund the police" guy by any means, but when I see shit like that, I can understand how one could get to that position.

That is extremely excessive. That could have killed the guy with the force behind that throw to the ground head-first. Certainly the odds of death from that level of force are higher than the odds of death from him not wearing a mask.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #648 on: September 26, 2021, 10:16:00 PM »
Articles like these make me take Covid serious.
25yo with no preexistente health problems had his lungs chewed up by the virus.
https://news.yahoo.com/25-old-had-double-lung-122554850.html
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #649 on: September 27, 2021, 07:11:09 AM »
Articles like these make me take Covid serious.
25yo with no preexistente health problems had his lungs chewed up by the virus.
https://news.yahoo.com/25-old-had-double-lung-122554850.html

That is, in part, because you are not seeing all of the "25yo with no pre-existing health problems got covid and recovered" articles. Also, because of other articles that claimed "no pre-existing conditions", yet it was obvious from the photos in them that the person was obese, I take that claim with a large grain of salt.

Moreover, when you compare covid deaths in that population
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
18-29yo = 3376
30-39yo = 9755

to the deaths from car accidents (2019)
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/historical-fatality-trends/deaths-by-age-group/
15-24yo = 6031
25-44yo = 12204

you should take dying in a car crash more seriously than dying from covid.

That said, I am all for everyone taking the personal actions they believe are necessary with respect to covid.







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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #650 on: September 27, 2021, 01:07:23 PM »
Articles like these make me take Covid serious.
25yo with no preexistente health problems had his lungs chewed up by the virus.
https://news.yahoo.com/25-old-had-double-lung-122554850.html

That is, in part, because you are not seeing all of the "25yo with no pre-existing health problems got covid and recovered" articles. Also, because of other articles that claimed "no pre-existing conditions", yet it was obvious from the photos in them that the person was obese, I take that claim with a large grain of salt.

Moreover, when you compare covid deaths in that population
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
18-29yo = 3376
30-39yo = 9755

to the deaths from car accidents (2019)
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/historical-fatality-trends/deaths-by-age-group/
15-24yo = 6031
25-44yo = 12204

you should take dying in a car crash more seriously than dying from covid.

That said, I am all for everyone taking the personal actions they believe are necessary with respect to covid.

But dude I read an article about a shark attack in Florida. It bit the leg clean off!

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #651 on: September 28, 2021, 06:55:53 AM »
That is, in part, because you are not seeing all of the "25yo with no pre-existing health problems got covid and recovered" articles. Also, because of other articles that claimed "no pre-existing conditions", yet it was obvious from the photos in them that the person was obese, I take that claim with a large grain of salt.

It's so utterly predictable that every time the MSM runs one of those "young, healthy anti-vaxxer dies of covid wishing they'd been jabbed" stories, you look at the pictures and they turn out to be morbidly obese.

No one that fat is "healthy", they are riddled with co-morbidities and covid likes them big.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #652 on: September 28, 2021, 07:42:45 AM »
From Kiero's link in the "Covid, the "lockdowns" etc." topic.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/22/30-facts-you-need-to-know-your-covid-cribsheet

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

"Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

We did not consider the use of respirators in the community. Respirators are tight-fitting masks that can protect the wearer from fine particles (37) and should provide better protection against influenza virus exposures when properly worn because of higher filtration efficiency. However, respirators, such as N95 and P2 masks, work best when they are fit-tested, and these masks will be in limited supply during the next pandemic. These specialist devices should be reserved for use in healthcare settings or in special subpopulations such as immunocompromised persons in the community, first responders, and those performing other critical community functions, as supplies permit."

As this is based on a statistical analysis, take it with a grain of salt. That said, it does show that there are statistical arguments that are both pro and con mask wearing. Which tells me that the focus should be on experiments that evaluate the mechanisms involved.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #653 on: September 28, 2021, 08:06:36 AM »
From Kiero's link in the "Covid, the "lockdowns" etc." topic.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/22/30-facts-you-need-to-know-your-covid-cribsheet

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

"Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

We did not consider the use of respirators in the community. Respirators are tight-fitting masks that can protect the wearer from fine particles (37) and should provide better protection against influenza virus exposures when properly worn because of higher filtration efficiency. However, respirators, such as N95 and P2 masks, work best when they are fit-tested, and these masks will be in limited supply during the next pandemic. These specialist devices should be reserved for use in healthcare settings or in special subpopulations such as immunocompromised persons in the community, first responders, and those performing other critical community functions, as supplies permit."

As this is based on a statistical analysis, take it with a grain of salt. That said, it does show that there are statistical arguments that are both pro and con mask wearing. Which tells me that the focus should be on experiments that evaluate the mechanisms involved.

OK, but that assumes preventing transmission of a virus as trivial as coronavirus is a good thing. It's not a coincidence that the papers are full of stories of people saying they've got really bad colds right now: https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1442529926800941057

The same morons crowing about how they hadn't had a cold in over a year are finding that mysteriously, their immune systems aren't up to handling this season's bugs. Following the guidance suppresses your immune system, which depends on challenge to stay healthy.

Meanwhile, I've done none of those things, been exposed to lots of people, and I'm fine.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #654 on: September 28, 2021, 08:55:50 AM »
From Kiero's link in the "Covid, the "lockdowns" etc." topic.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/22/30-facts-you-need-to-know-your-covid-cribsheet

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

"Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

We did not consider the use of respirators in the community. Respirators are tight-fitting masks that can protect the wearer from fine particles (37) and should provide better protection against influenza virus exposures when properly worn because of higher filtration efficiency. However, respirators, such as N95 and P2 masks, work best when they are fit-tested, and these masks will be in limited supply during the next pandemic. These specialist devices should be reserved for use in healthcare settings or in special subpopulations such as immunocompromised persons in the community, first responders, and those performing other critical community functions, as supplies permit."

As this is based on a statistical analysis, take it with a grain of salt. That said, it does show that there are statistical arguments that are both pro and con mask wearing. Which tells me that the focus should be on experiments that evaluate the mechanisms involved.

OK, but that assumes preventing transmission of a virus as trivial as coronavirus is a good thing. It's not a coincidence that the papers are full of stories of people saying they've got really bad colds right now: https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1442529926800941057

The same morons crowing about how they hadn't had a cold in over a year are finding that mysteriously, their immune systems aren't up to handling this season's bugs. Following the guidance suppresses your immune system, which depends on challenge to stay healthy.

Meanwhile, I've done none of those things, been exposed to lots of people, and I'm fine.
Again with your BS that the vaccine compromises the immune system. That's a total lie.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #655 on: September 28, 2021, 09:05:17 AM »
From Kiero's link in the "Covid, the "lockdowns" etc." topic.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/22/30-facts-you-need-to-know-your-covid-cribsheet

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

"Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

We did not consider the use of respirators in the community. Respirators are tight-fitting masks that can protect the wearer from fine particles (37) and should provide better protection against influenza virus exposures when properly worn because of higher filtration efficiency. However, respirators, such as N95 and P2 masks, work best when they are fit-tested, and these masks will be in limited supply during the next pandemic. These specialist devices should be reserved for use in healthcare settings or in special subpopulations such as immunocompromised persons in the community, first responders, and those performing other critical community functions, as supplies permit."

As this is based on a statistical analysis, take it with a grain of salt. That said, it does show that there are statistical arguments that are both pro and con mask wearing. Which tells me that the focus should be on experiments that evaluate the mechanisms involved.

OK, but that assumes preventing transmission of a virus as trivial as coronavirus is a good thing. It's not a coincidence that the papers are full of stories of people saying they've got really bad colds right now: https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1442529926800941057

The same morons crowing about how they hadn't had a cold in over a year are finding that mysteriously, their immune systems aren't up to handling this season's bugs. Following the guidance suppresses your immune system, which depends on challenge to stay healthy.

Meanwhile, I've done none of those things, been exposed to lots of people, and I'm fine.
Again with your BS that the vaccine compromises the immune system. That's a total lie.
Except that's not what he said, and if you had reading comprehension you'd realize that.

He was making the point that masking up continuously isn't good for the immune system.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #656 on: September 28, 2021, 09:48:54 AM »
Again with your BS that the vaccine compromises the immune system. That's a total lie.

Yes it does, it's been noted there's a "temporary" dip in immune effectiveness immediately after the jabs. Long-term effects unknown.

And in any case, you dumbass, that wasn't even what I was saying. I'm talking about the immune suppression effect of masks and avoiding contact with other people.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #657 on: September 28, 2021, 04:46:09 PM »
Again with your BS that the vaccine compromises the immune system. That's a total lie.

Yes it does, it's been noted there's a "temporary" dip in immune effectiveness immediately after the jabs. Long-term effects unknown.

And in any case, you dumbass, that wasn't even what I was saying. I'm talking about the immune suppression effect of masks and avoiding contact with other people.
So does the mask prevent virus exposure or not? If you take your argument to the logical end, the immune system "suffers" because it hasn't been exposed (i.e., the masks block exposure). Is that your argument now?

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #658 on: September 28, 2021, 04:47:56 PM »
Again with your BS that the vaccine compromises the immune system. That's a total lie.

Yes it does, it's been noted there's a "temporary" dip in immune effectiveness immediately after the jabs. Long-term effects unknown.

If you compare the immune system to ICU beds then having the vaccine takes up 87% of the beds putting you dangerously close to having your immune system being compromised.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #659 on: September 29, 2021, 07:02:57 PM »
Again with your BS that the vaccine compromises the immune system. That's a total lie.

Yes it does, it's been noted there's a "temporary" dip in immune effectiveness immediately after the jabs. Long-term effects unknown.

And in any case, you dumbass, that wasn't even what I was saying. I'm talking about the immune suppression effect of masks and avoiding contact with other people.
So does the mask prevent virus exposure or not? If you take your argument to the logical end, the immune system "suffers" because it hasn't been exposed (i.e., the masks block exposure). Is that your argument now?

Kiero lives in multiple universes, and occupies whichever one in that moment best matches his world view for that particular argument. If the topic is "masks reduce the spread of viruses" he's living in the universe where masks are entirely ineffective at preventing viruses from spreading. If however the topic is "working out your immune system with minor viruses so it's a stronger overall immune system" then he lives in the universe where masks are effective at stopping the spread of viruses and therefore suppress the immune system by preventing exposure to minor viruses.

Kiero is also a cat which is both alive and dead.