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Author Topic: Here's your Mask Protocol  (Read 11119 times)

consolcwby

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2020, 09:11:09 PM »
Greetings!

I think it is interesting that all of the people here--as well as in society--that are Leftists almost exclusively and stridently support mask wearing and strict lockdown policies for society in regards to the China virus, while more right-wing and Conservative people support freedom, for both individuals and individual communities making independent choices.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
That's because leftists are NOT liberals. They get wet thinking of child-murder, death camps, burkas or any covering over faces, and rape. And those like Mistwell, the self-hating CAPOS - well, the founders and the Torah DID warn about zionist scum like him. I tried to reach him, but I guess when you're fap-fap-fapping to your own bloodlust and lies.... Well, at least he'll die along with people like me! That should be a relief for his idiocy!
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2020, 10:16:45 PM »
Yes, by aerosolized particles. Which bypass masks.

Again, not what it says. This would go so much easier if you read the thing you're responding to.
I didn't say the article said that. I was pointing out why the article is based on faulty science.

This would go much easier if you read the rest of what I said, where I explained that in detail.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2020, 02:21:01 AM »
Yes, by aerosolized particles. Which bypass masks.

Again, not what it says. This would go so much easier if you read the thing you're responding to.
I didn't say the article said that. I was pointing out why the article is based on faulty science.

This would go much easier if you read the rest of what I said, where I explained that in detail.

It would help if you would provide a link to support your assertion that aerosolized particles are the more significant mode of transmission. The World Health Organization seems to consider both; if masks reduce the one significantly, that should still have a useful effect. Nobody is suggesting that masks alone are sufficient steps.

While experimentation in laboratories is certainly important, I am more encouraged by observed results in the real world, such as the differing experience of Kansas counties with mask mandates versus those without.
https://apnews.com/article/health-kansas-virus-outbreak-f218e1a38cce6b2af63c1cd23f1d234e
This could be for other reasons, of course; a mask mandate might include or at least encourage other steps to reduce transmission, or people in counties who resist mask mandates may also resist other steps to discourage transmission.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2020, 03:00:22 AM »
Yes, by aerosolized particles. Which bypass masks.

Again, not what it says. This would go so much easier if you read the thing you're responding to.
I didn't say the article said that. I was pointing out why the article is based on faulty science.

This would go much easier if you read the rest of what I said, where I explained that in detail.

It would help if you would provide a link to support your assertion that aerosolized particles are the more significant mode of transmission. The World Health Organization seems to consider both; if masks reduce the one significantly, that should still have a useful effect. Nobody is suggesting that masks alone are sufficient steps.

While experimentation in laboratories is certainly important, I am more encouraged by observed results in the real world, such as the differing experience of Kansas counties with mask mandates versus those without.
https://apnews.com/article/health-kansas-virus-outbreak-f218e1a38cce6b2af63c1cd23f1d234e
This could be for other reasons, of course; a mask mandate might include or at least encourage other steps to reduce transmission, or people in counties who resist mask mandates may also resist other steps to discourage transmission.
I've provided many links in the coronavirus thread. I agree that real world examples matter more than theory. So here are few focused more on pragmatics. The first is the most significant recent study on masks. It's a large, randomized study, so unlike many of the sloppy, limited, and biased studies at the start of the pandemic, it meets very high standards of evidence.
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
Slightly older, but surveys of the evidence on masks, from the CDC and Oxford:
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/

I can also link to dozens of other analyses of areas with and without mask mandates, and before and after mandates, around the world. Some do better, some do worse. When you have that many areas, you can always find one that supports your theory. Not to mention, it's really hard to control for all other factors. But when looked at in toto, there doesn't seem to be much if any effect, overall. Here are some charts that suggest masks don't work, though remember I'm arguing they don't really tell us anything:
https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/

Aerosolization:
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/71/9/2311/5867798
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2020, 12:43:03 PM »
Can we just ignore HappyDaze and Mistwell already?  They don't want a discussion, or add anything to these discussions.  They just want to give us the same bullshit which was proven to not be true in prior threads.  They want us to shut up.

TBH, from what I've seen from the times I've been active in this section of this forum, jhkim is the ONLY ONE from the "other side" of these discussions that makes any type of meaningful contribution or attempt to properly substantiate what they say. Everyone else is just a disingenuous POS or some rando (like Bren) that just pops in to throw a few pointless jabs and blanket assertions about everyone on the "right" (which includes EVERYONE who's not a SJW or supports the corporatist warmongering "Democratic" party) and not address anything.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #35 on: December 26, 2020, 12:46:57 PM »
Greetings!

I think it is interesting that all of the people here--as well as in society--that are Leftists almost exclusively and stridently support mask wearing and strict lockdown policies for society in regards to the China virus, while more right-wing and Conservative people support freedom, for both individuals and individual communities making independent choices.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
That's because leftists are NOT liberals. They get wet thinking of child-murder, death camps, burkas or any covering over faces, and rape. And those like Mistwell, the self-hating CAPOS - well, the founders and the Torah DID warn about zionist scum like him. I tried to reach him, but I guess when you're fap-fap-fapping to your own bloodlust and lies.... Well, at least he'll die along with people like me! That should be a relief for his idiocy!

Wait, you're calling me "zionist scum" and claiming I have "bloodlust" because I disagree with you about the election and masks?

OK. You're officially creepy now.

Have I ever even mentioned Israel? I can only assume "Zionist scum" is some issue with Jews, given I don't think I have ever mentioned Israel.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2020, 01:44:53 PM »
Greetings!

I think it is interesting that all of the people here--as well as in society--that are Leftists almost exclusively and stridently support mask wearing and strict lockdown policies for society in regards to the China virus, while more right-wing and Conservative people support freedom, for both individuals and individual communities making independent choices.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
That's because leftists are NOT liberals. They get wet thinking of child-murder, death camps, burkas or any covering over faces, and rape. And those like Mistwell, the self-hating CAPOS - well, the founders and the Torah DID warn about zionist scum like him. I tried to reach him, but I guess when you're fap-fap-fapping to your own bloodlust and lies.... Well, at least he'll die along with people like me! That should be a relief for his idiocy!

Wait, you're calling me "zionist scum" and claiming I have "bloodlust" because I disagree with you about the election and masks?

OK. You're officially creepy now.

Have I ever even mentioned Israel? I can only assume "Zionist scum" is some issue with Jews, given I don't think I have ever mentioned Israel.
Give him a little more time and I'm sure he'll surprise you with even more explicitly anti-Semitic rantings. To be fair though, I don't think he's going to limit himself to just that...

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2020, 06:13:01 PM »
Greetings!

I think it is interesting that all of the people here--as well as in society--that are Leftists almost exclusively and stridently support mask wearing and strict lockdown policies for society in regards to the China virus, while more right-wing and Conservative people support freedom, for both individuals and individual communities making independent choices.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
That's because leftists are NOT liberals. They get wet thinking of child-murder, death camps, burkas or any covering over faces, and rape. And those like Mistwell, the self-hating CAPOS - well, the founders and the Torah DID warn about zionist scum like him. I tried to reach him, but I guess when you're fap-fap-fapping to your own bloodlust and lies.... Well, at least he'll die along with people like me! That should be a relief for his idiocy!

Wait, you're calling me "zionist scum" and claiming I have "bloodlust" because I disagree with you about the election and masks?

OK. You're officially creepy now.

Have I ever even mentioned Israel? I can only assume "Zionist scum" is some issue with Jews, given I don't think I have ever mentioned Israel.
Give him a little more time and I'm sure he'll surprise you with even more explicitly anti-Semitic rantings. To be fair though, I don't think he's going to limit himself to just that...
Why? Because he's an obvious capo who delights in the suffering of others?
...
I makes me truly wonder what is making me anti-Semitic other than SCREAMING about the plan of kill Jewish people in concentration camps, here in America? Is it because I vehemently disagree with those who FORGET HISTORY? Or are you attempting to label me a NAZI because we disagree?
Hm.
Makes me wonder...
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2020, 06:32:27 PM »
Greetings!

I think it is interesting that all of the people here--as well as in society--that are Leftists almost exclusively and stridently support mask wearing and strict lockdown policies for society in regards to the China virus, while more right-wing and Conservative people support freedom, for both individuals and individual communities making independent choices.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
That's because leftists are NOT liberals. They get wet thinking of child-murder, death camps, burkas or any covering over faces, and rape. And those like Mistwell, the self-hating CAPOS - well, the founders and the Torah DID warn about zionist scum like him. I tried to reach him, but I guess when you're fap-fap-fapping to your own bloodlust and lies.... Well, at least he'll die along with people like me! That should be a relief for his idiocy!

Wait, you're calling me "zionist scum" and claiming I have "bloodlust" because I disagree with you about the election and masks?

OK. You're officially creepy now.

Have I ever even mentioned Israel? I can only assume "Zionist scum" is some issue with Jews, given I don't think I have ever mentioned Israel.
Give him a little more time and I'm sure he'll surprise you with even more explicitly anti-Semitic rantings. To be fair though, I don't think he's going to limit himself to just that...
Why? Because he's an obvious capo who delights in the suffering of others?
...
I makes me truly wonder what is making me anti-Semitic other than SCREAMING about the plan of kill Jewish people in concentration camps, here in America? Is it because I vehemently disagree with those who FORGET HISTORY? Or are you attempting to label me a NAZI because we disagree?
Hm.
Makes me wonder...
Yes, keep on deflecting. Others won't have to wonder much longer, and no one has to label you when we can just point at the labels you've put on yourself.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #39 on: December 26, 2020, 07:07:34 PM »
Greetings!

I think it is interesting that all of the people here--as well as in society--that are Leftists almost exclusively and stridently support mask wearing and strict lockdown policies for society in regards to the China virus, while more right-wing and Conservative people support freedom, for both individuals and individual communities making independent choices.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
That's because leftists are NOT liberals. They get wet thinking of child-murder, death camps, burkas or any covering over faces, and rape. And those like Mistwell, the self-hating CAPOS - well, the founders and the Torah DID warn about zionist scum like him. I tried to reach him, but I guess when you're fap-fap-fapping to your own bloodlust and lies.... Well, at least he'll die along with people like me! That should be a relief for his idiocy!

Wait, you're calling me "zionist scum" and claiming I have "bloodlust" because I disagree with you about the election and masks?

OK. You're officially creepy now.

Have I ever even mentioned Israel? I can only assume "Zionist scum" is some issue with Jews, given I don't think I have ever mentioned Israel.
Give him a little more time and I'm sure he'll surprise you with even more explicitly anti-Semitic rantings. To be fair though, I don't think he's going to limit himself to just that...
Why? Because he's an obvious capo who delights in the suffering of others?
...
I makes me truly wonder what is making me anti-Semitic other than SCREAMING about the plan of kill Jewish people in concentration camps, here in America? Is it because I vehemently disagree with those who FORGET HISTORY? Or are you attempting to label me a NAZI because we disagree?
Hm.
Makes me wonder...

What does the phrase "zionist scum" mean to you, and why do you think it applies specifically to me?

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #40 on: December 26, 2020, 09:01:46 PM »
Greetings!

I think it is interesting that all of the people here--as well as in society--that are Leftists almost exclusively and stridently support mask wearing and strict lockdown policies for society in regards to the China virus, while more right-wing and Conservative people support freedom, for both individuals and individual communities making independent choices.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
That's because leftists are NOT liberals. They get wet thinking of child-murder, death camps, burkas or any covering over faces, and rape. And those like Mistwell, the self-hating CAPOS - well, the founders and the Torah DID warn about zionist scum like him. I tried to reach him, but I guess when you're fap-fap-fapping to your own bloodlust and lies.... Well, at least he'll die along with people like me! That should be a relief for his idiocy!

Wait, you're calling me "zionist scum" and claiming I have "bloodlust" because I disagree with you about the election and masks?

OK. You're officially creepy now.

Have I ever even mentioned Israel? I can only assume "Zionist scum" is some issue with Jews, given I don't think I have ever mentioned Israel.
Give him a little more time and I'm sure he'll surprise you with even more explicitly anti-Semitic rantings. To be fair though, I don't think he's going to limit himself to just that...
Why? Because he's an obvious capo who delights in the suffering of others?
...
I makes me truly wonder what is making me anti-Semitic other than SCREAMING about the plan of kill Jewish people in concentration camps, here in America? Is it because I vehemently disagree with those who FORGET HISTORY? Or are you attempting to label me a NAZI because we disagree?
Hm.
Makes me wonder...

What does the phrase "zionist scum" mean to you, and why do you think it applies specifically to me?
A "ZIONIST" SCUMBAG:
There are those who claim to be true zionists but are NOT. They despise Israel, observant Jews, and Christians who support them. They HATE GOD, and they believe MEN can be AS GODS. They are ashamed of themselves, their heritage. They want to be just like "EVERYONE ELSE". They support U.N.  Resolution 3379 ( See https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/24893 ), for example. I place the Rothschildes and others in this EXACT category. They worship the mountain, not the God who created the mountain. They supported the German Nazis, and were the harshest torturers during that time of those who are true to themselves. They are the followers of evil, NOT of the laws. They hate all laws and consider themselves superior to them. They say they love, but they only hate. They have broken their oaths and care not for their kin. They think they are superior, when they are the worst upon this earth.  They call themselves ZIONISTS to confuse others.
That is what I believe you to be.
Prove me wrong.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #41 on: December 26, 2020, 09:18:58 PM »
That is what I believe you to be.
Prove me wrong.
Isn't that special. Nobody is going to prove anything to you because you'll never admit you're wrong, so you just go on thinking what you want about others, and I'll keep thinking your real name appears on the sex offender registry. Oh, and...prove me wrong, bitch.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2020, 10:29:58 PM »
Greetings!

Consolcwby has mentioned that he is Jewish--and he has championed the security and rights of Israel, and Christians alike. That is not the attitude of people that hate Jews or Christians, or who are anti-Semitic. Trying to paint him as anti-Semitic or anti-Christian is being disingenuous and wrong.

Mistwell is Jewish as well. So, he can't be anti-Semitic either, and I don't think Mistwell is anti-Christian, either.

Zionists? I may be out of the loop here in this particular, but I was under the understanding that Zionists were elements of Jewish partisans, politicians, and lobbyists, amongst other advocates, for the official establishment and recognition of a Jewish State--the historical land of Israel--before World War II, when they were arguing with the British Empire, which at the time occupied Israel as a protectorate and had not at that time yet, recognized Israel as a state, or had given them independence. Their work eventually led to the British Empire organizing the nation of Israel, and recognizing them as an independent nation state, and relinquishing any political or military claims to the land, as agreed upon and set out by the UN in 1948 or so, when Israel became an independent nation state again. Zionists were also supported and encouraged by American Christians as well--and have been supported financially, morally, and politically by American Christians ever since--as well as of course by American Jews.

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2020, 12:16:35 AM »
Greetings!

I think it is interesting that all of the people here--as well as in society--that are Leftists almost exclusively and stridently support mask wearing and strict lockdown policies for society in regards to the China virus, while more right-wing and Conservative people support freedom, for both individuals and individual communities making independent choices.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
That's because leftists are NOT liberals. They get wet thinking of child-murder, death camps, burkas or any covering over faces, and rape. And those like Mistwell, the self-hating CAPOS - well, the founders and the Torah DID warn about zionist scum like him. I tried to reach him, but I guess when you're fap-fap-fapping to your own bloodlust and lies.... Well, at least he'll die along with people like me! That should be a relief for his idiocy!

Wait, you're calling me "zionist scum" and claiming I have "bloodlust" because I disagree with you about the election and masks?

OK. You're officially creepy now.

Have I ever even mentioned Israel? I can only assume "Zionist scum" is some issue with Jews, given I don't think I have ever mentioned Israel.
Give him a little more time and I'm sure he'll surprise you with even more explicitly anti-Semitic rantings. To be fair though, I don't think he's going to limit himself to just that...
Why? Because he's an obvious capo who delights in the suffering of others?
...
I makes me truly wonder what is making me anti-Semitic other than SCREAMING about the plan of kill Jewish people in concentration camps, here in America? Is it because I vehemently disagree with those who FORGET HISTORY? Or are you attempting to label me a NAZI because we disagree?
Hm.
Makes me wonder...

What does the phrase "zionist scum" mean to you, and why do you think it applies specifically to me?
A "ZIONIST" SCUMBAG:
There are those who claim to be true zionists but are NOT. They despise Israel, observant Jews, and Christians who support them. They HATE GOD, and they believe MEN can be AS GODS. They are ashamed of themselves, their heritage. They want to be just like "EVERYONE ELSE". They support U.N.  Resolution 3379 ( See https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/24893 ), for example. I place the Rothschildes and others in this EXACT category. They worship the mountain, not the God who created the mountain. They supported the German Nazis, and were the harshest torturers during that time of those who are true to themselves. They are the followers of evil, NOT of the laws. They hate all laws and consider themselves superior to them. They say they love, but they only hate. They have broken their oaths and care not for their kin. They think they are superior, when they are the worst upon this earth.  They call themselves ZIONISTS to confuse others.
That is what I believe you to be.
Prove me wrong.

I don't have to prove shit to you. I have never once mentioned my views on Israel or religion to you, or to anyone here. not one time. And your assumptions about my views are quite wrong.

Which means you're lying. Poorly.

Sometimes antisemites use the cover of "I don't hate Jews, I just don't like Zionists" as their excuse for their behavior. They talk about how they don't like the policies of Israel, but view that as separate from Jews in general. You see that kind of talk on some white power message boards and such.  It's bullshit, but it's a plausible deniability tactic to escape being caught being actually antisemitic.

But, I think you fucked up. You used that old dog whistle cover, probably because you've used it before and seen it used and talked about elsewhere. But you failed to remember it had to only be used with someone who had actually said something about Israel.

I hadn't. All you knew about me was my family members had been killed in the Holocaust, and that perhaps I was Jewish. But you don't know a single thing about my views on Israel or religion. But you went to "Zionist Scumbag" as an attack anyway. Because that's your usual cover for you to express your hatred of Jews without being caught, while still sending a dog whistle message to fellow supremacists that you're one of their tribe and think Jews are scum of the earth.

Except, you were just plain too dumb to use it right. You fucked up. And now you're caught.

I'm sure you're going to scramble and bluff and bluster now. You'll pretend they were safe assumptions because I act like X and Y and so of course I must be a Zionist Scum. But it's going to be obvious flailing. Because you still have no idea, no idea at all, what my views are on Israel and religion. You never had any basis for any assumptions about those topics. And your bluster will be apparent to anyone who sees it. Because you fucked up. Because you're caught, and you know it, and now you're desperate to try and find cover for fucking up with your first attempt at cover. And everyone will see that desperation in your tone. Because when someone's back is against the wall and they're faced with the curtain being pulled down, there isn't much choice other than to react in desperation.

Prove me wrong.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2020, 09:09:27 AM »
Greetings!

I think it is interesting that all of the people here--as well as in society--that are Leftists almost exclusively and stridently support mask wearing and strict lockdown policies for society in regards to the China virus, while more right-wing and Conservative people support freedom, for both individuals and individual communities making independent choices.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Ehhh, I recall back when the pandemic was really kicking off around Feburary that it was largely a right-wing stance to push for lockdowns, closing borders, taking the virus seriously, etc. The Left by contrast were the ones talking about how it was just "the flu" and that the whole virus was being blown out of proportion by evil nazi fascist bigots as an excuse to be xenophobic towards Chy-nah.

At some point between Feburary and April some switch got flipped and both sides did a total 180.

The whole thing has looked like such a politicised/partisan farce as an outsider looking in on the US.