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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #225 on: May 01, 2021, 09:28:38 PM »
I don't know where you are that you're seeing people tased over mask wearing, but obviously that's unacceptable.
Uhhh, the USA?  There was a woman tased at a high school football game about 6-8 months ago, sitting in the stands, outside, ten feet from everyone.  When she asked the school resource officer (somewhat brusquely) why she needed to put on a mask in those conditions... zap!

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« Reply #226 on: May 01, 2021, 11:34:04 PM »
I don't know where you are that you're seeing people tased over mask wearing, but obviously that's unacceptable.
Uhhh, the USA?  There was a woman tased at a high school football game about 6-8 months ago, sitting in the stands, outside, ten feet from everyone.  When she asked the school resource officer (somewhat brusquely) why she needed to put on a mask in those conditions... zap!

There's countless examples of both police and civilians becoming belligerent. It's really concerning because it demonstrates that people aren't thinking rationally about this. We're supposed to be trying to prevent people from getting hurt, aren't we? Yet fear porn and media stoking antagonism leads us down a path where cracking someone's skull with a baton is acceptable against a person walking around outside without a clothing accessory.

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« Reply #227 on: May 02, 2021, 09:02:07 AM »

I'm sorry you were told you are an idiot, Ghostmaker. I think there's a huge problem in having dialog between the two sides. I feel like I've been called a lot of names here on this forum for my positions, but I also know that plenty liberals often disparage conservatives on this - often from a place of ignorance.

If you want to see a good microcosm of the problems we face, check this out:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/29/teargas-protest-menstrual-cycles-health-impact

(Yes, I know it's the Guardian, one step up from fish wrap; bear with me)

They are talking about 'science' and a 'study' that utilized an anonymous online poll. Because as one fellow put it, 'online polling is so fucking accurate'.

Congratulations, wokeists. You're relying on the same methodology that 4chan has discredited, repeatedly.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #228 on: May 02, 2021, 05:28:08 PM »
I don't know where you are that you're seeing people tased over mask wearing, but obviously that's unacceptable.

Uhhh, the USA?  There was a woman tased at a high school football game about 6-8 months ago, sitting in the stands, outside, ten feet from everyone.  When she asked the school resource officer (somewhat brusquely) why she needed to put on a mask in those conditions... zap!

We have a lot of people from different countries, so I thought I'd ask. I think you're talking about the incident in Logan, Ohio - is that your area? I just watched the video for that now - she was asked to put a mask on, then when she refused she was asked to leave, and she still refused, so she was cited for trespassing. The officer tried to handcuff her and she resisted, after which he tased her. I don't think the mask requirement was necessary, and the tasing was certainly not - but at the same time, if she refused to follow the state and school policies and is asked to leave, she should have left peacefully.

There are cases of alleged violence the other way, though - like the Oklahoma City woman who shot McDonald's employees who told her that the dining area was closed for covid (ref), or the Hutchinson Minnesota man who caught a police officer on his truck after he allegedly assaulted a store employee over a mask requirement (ref).

I think the problem over incidents like this is similar to the discussion over police shootings of black people. Liberals and conservatives will argue over the specifics of given incidents, and about how much any given incident reflects the general trend. Often because of these differences, it's hard to even get to the point of discussing policy.

There will be disagreements over many covid measures, and I don't think that we should turn to violence over them, and at least here on this forum can discuss based on the issues.

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« Reply #229 on: May 02, 2021, 05:32:22 PM »

I'm sorry you were told you are an idiot, Ghostmaker. I think there's a huge problem in having dialog between the two sides. I feel like I've been called a lot of names here on this forum for my positions, but I also know that plenty liberals often disparage conservatives on this - often from a place of ignorance.

If you want to see a good microcosm of the problems we face, check this out:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/29/teargas-protest-menstrual-cycles-health-impact

(Yes, I know it's the Guardian, one step up from fish wrap; bear with me)

They are talking about 'science' and a 'study' that utilized an anonymous online poll. Because as one fellow put it, 'online polling is so fucking accurate'.

Congratulations, wokeists. You're relying on the same methodology that 4chan has discredited, repeatedly.

So...my pussy hurts?

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« Reply #230 on: May 04, 2021, 02:01:43 PM »
I don't know where you are that you're seeing people tased over mask wearing, but obviously that's unacceptable.

Uhhh, the USA?  There was a woman tased at a high school football game about 6-8 months ago, sitting in the stands, outside, ten feet from everyone.  When she asked the school resource officer (somewhat brusquely) why she needed to put on a mask in those conditions... zap!

We have a lot of people from different countries, so I thought I'd ask. I think you're talking about the incident in Logan, Ohio - is that your area? I just watched the video for that now - she was asked to put a mask on, then when she refused she was asked to leave, and she still refused, so she was cited for trespassing. The officer tried to handcuff her and she resisted, after which he tased her. I don't think the mask requirement was necessary, and the tasing was certainly not - but at the same time, if she refused to follow the state and school policies and is asked to leave, she should have left peacefully.

There are cases of alleged violence the other way, though - like the Oklahoma City woman who shot McDonald's employees who told her that the dining area was closed for covid (ref), or the Hutchinson Minnesota man who caught a police officer on his truck after he allegedly assaulted a store employee over a mask requirement (ref).

I think the problem over incidents like this is similar to the discussion over police shootings of black people. Liberals and conservatives will argue over the specifics of given incidents, and about how much any given incident reflects the general trend. Often because of these differences, it's hard to even get to the point of discussing policy.

There will be disagreements over many covid measures, and I don't think that we should turn to violence over them, and at least here on this forum can discuss based on the issues.

So, because the state says so she has to comply or get tased? What about her right to peacefully assemble? What about her fucking rights?

And the excuse that the administrator and police were "just following state orders" sounds eerilly familiar.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #231 on: May 04, 2021, 02:05:23 PM »
I don't know where you are that you're seeing people tased over mask wearing, but obviously that's unacceptable.
Uhhh, the USA?  There was a woman tased at a high school football game about 6-8 months ago, sitting in the stands, outside, ten feet from everyone.  When she asked the school resource officer (somewhat brusquely) why she needed to put on a mask in those conditions... zap!

There's countless examples of both police and civilians becoming belligerent. It's really concerning because it demonstrates that people aren't thinking rationally about this. We're supposed to be trying to prevent people from getting hurt, aren't we? Yet fear porn and media stoking antagonism leads us down a path where cracking someone's skull with a baton is acceptable against a person walking around outside without a clothing accessory.

Welcome to the morality police, when they tell you they want to abolish the police they are lying, what they want is THEIR brand of Sharia Police, enforcing THEIR morality on you.

How dare you missgender X? Go to jail, do not pass go do not collect $200

How dare you criticize Buy Large Mansions? Go to jail, do not pass go do not collect $200

How dare you speak against the intersectional cult?  Go to jail, do not pass go do not collect $200

How dare you!?
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« Reply #232 on: May 04, 2021, 02:06:49 PM »
Well it's not like you're gonna do anything about it, so we know you don't dare much at all.
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« Reply #233 on: Today at 08:30:33 AM »
I don't know where you are that you're seeing people tased over mask wearing, but obviously that's unacceptable.
Uhhh, the USA?  There was a woman tased at a high school football game about 6-8 months ago, sitting in the stands, outside, ten feet from everyone.  When she asked the school resource officer (somewhat brusquely) why she needed to put on a mask in those conditions... zap!

There's countless examples of both police and civilians becoming belligerent. It's really concerning because it demonstrates that people aren't thinking rationally about this. We're supposed to be trying to prevent people from getting hurt, aren't we? Yet fear porn and media stoking antagonism leads us down a path where cracking someone's skull with a baton is acceptable against a person walking around outside without a clothing accessory.

Welcome to the morality police, when they tell you they want to abolish the police they are lying, what they want is THEIR brand of Sharia Police, enforcing THEIR morality on you.

How dare you missgender X? Go to jail, do not pass go do not collect $200

How dare you criticize Buy Large Mansions? Go to jail, do not pass go do not collect $200

How dare you speak against the intersectional cult?  Go to jail, do not pass go do not collect $200

How dare you!?
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« Reply #234 on: Today at 01:50:09 PM »
I don't know where you are that you're seeing people tased over mask wearing, but obviously that's unacceptable.

Uhhh, the USA?  There was a woman tased at a high school football game about 6-8 months ago, sitting in the stands, outside, ten feet from everyone.  When she asked the school resource officer (somewhat brusquely) why she needed to put on a mask in those conditions... zap!

We have a lot of people from different countries, so I thought I'd ask. I think you're talking about the incident in Logan, Ohio - is that your area? I just watched the video for that now - she was asked to put a mask on, then when she refused she was asked to leave, and she still refused, so she was cited for trespassing. The officer tried to handcuff her and she resisted, after which he tased her. I don't think the mask requirement was necessary, and the tasing was certainly not - but at the same time, if she refused to follow the state and school policies and is asked to leave, she should have left peacefully.

There are cases of alleged violence the other way, though - like the Oklahoma City woman who shot McDonald's employees who told her that the dining area was closed for covid (ref), or the Hutchinson Minnesota man who caught a police officer on his truck after he allegedly assaulted a store employee over a mask requirement (ref).

I think the problem over incidents like this is similar to the discussion over police shootings of black people. Liberals and conservatives will argue over the specifics of given incidents, and about how much any given incident reflects the general trend. Often because of these differences, it's hard to even get to the point of discussing policy.

There will be disagreements over many covid measures, and I don't think that we should turn to violence over them, and at least here on this forum can discuss based on the issues.

So, because the state says so she has to comply or get tased? What about her right to peacefully assemble? What about her fucking rights?

And the excuse that the administrator and police were "just following state orders" sounds eerilly familiar.

It was not peaceable assemble, it was non-violent protest. And yeah, sometimes non-violent protestors get tased. You seem content with that, when it's BLM protestors doing it.
The "just following orders" was a science based health and safety order, not a murder all Jews type order. In general, you're cool with things like "pulling people over for reckless driving" type things, but because you don't like this one or agree with this one you're going to compare it to the Nuremberg Trials? Pussy move.
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« Reply #235 on: Today at 01:52:20 PM »
And yeah, sometimes non-violent protestors get tased.
So you're saying that last summer should have been the Summer of the Taser?

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« Reply #236 on: Today at 02:09:35 PM »
And yeah, sometimes non-violent protestors get tased.
So you're saying that last summer should have been the Summer of the Taser?

No, no, no Pat...

Last summer was ok because it supported the correct overall political objective. 
It is only a problem when it opposes your political objective.
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« Reply #237 on: Today at 02:17:25 PM »
And yeah, sometimes non-violent protestors get tased.
So you're saying that last summer should have been the Summer of the Taser?

No, no, no Pat...

Last summer was ok because it supported the correct overall political objective. 
It is only a problem when it opposes your political objective.

i get why people have fun pointing out supposed hypocrisy but consider: we are now an openly politically tribal sociey, so yes it is indeed okay when it hurts them and not us, because it's them and not us.

if nobody's fuckin shooting each other over it yet, that's only a yet
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« Reply #238 on: Today at 02:30:25 PM »
i get why people have fun pointing out supposed hypocrisy but consider: we are now an openly politically tribal sociey, so yes it is indeed okay when it hurts them and not us, because it's them and not us.
I throw bricks at both sides. And if the second amendment allowed, I'd be throwing nukes. I'm mostly peaceful like that.

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« Reply #239 on: Today at 02:35:45 PM »
i get why people have fun pointing out supposed hypocrisy but consider: we are now an openly politically tribal sociey, so yes it is indeed okay when it hurts them and not us, because it's them and not us.
I throw bricks at both sides. And if the second amendment allowed, I'd be throwing nukes. I'm mostly peaceful like that.

it does allow they're just real heavy and hard to throw and it doesn't have any language about planes or launch silos.

that's how Big Nuke gets ya, you buy the warhead and learn you can't get a silo
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