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HappyDaze:

--- Quote from: VisionStorm on December 25, 2020, 09:47:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mistwell on December 25, 2020, 02:12:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: EOTB on December 24, 2020, 11:46:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mistwell on December 24, 2020, 08:34:09 PM ---Masks block 99.9% of large Covid-linked droplets: study

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They could block 110% of every disease ever known to man; that's still not a reason to mandate them.

--- End quote ---

Your freedom to swing your arm ends when you make contact with my face. The mask mandate isn't to protect you from others. It's to protect others from you. You don't have the freedom to risk the lives of those around you just because you don't like to wear masks any more than you have the freedom to just randomly fire off your gun when other people are down range just because you like to fire your gun which you otherwise have a right to have. Or, for that matter, to swing your arm in such a way that it is likely to connect with my face just because you like to swing your arms. Or to not smoke cancer-causing cigarettes indoors in a business.

So yeah, the reason to mandate masks is to protect other people from you, and the Government can mandate that without impinging on your freedom to enjoy a mask-free life, other than when you're not in public. Because you do not have the right to risk the lives of others around you like that.

--- End quote ---

We're not talking about people swinging their arms wildly, blowing cigarette smoke straight onto someone's face or randomly shooting a gun into a crowd. We're talking about people breathing--BREATHING! This is the "freedom" that you're framing as "irresponsible behavior", you fucking lunatic.

BREATHING!!!

Over a fucking virus with a 99.8% survival rate for most of the population. When we get to the point where we're curtailing people's right to BREATHE over virus that they probably don't even have and it's not likely to kill anyone around them even if they did, we're no longer talking reasonable precautions. We're talking people irrationally OBSESSED with the illusion of "safety". And if our species is so fucking WEAK it requires everyone around them to stop breathing in order to withstand a fucking bug, maybe it deserves to die out.

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A mask does not inhibit breathing (nor speaking). In a similar way, while we don't stop you from shitting yourself in public, we do have laws that require you to wear pants while doing so.

VisionStorm:

--- Quote from: HappyDaze on December 25, 2020, 09:54:06 AM ---
--- Quote from: VisionStorm on December 25, 2020, 09:47:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mistwell on December 25, 2020, 02:12:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: EOTB on December 24, 2020, 11:46:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mistwell on December 24, 2020, 08:34:09 PM ---Masks block 99.9% of large Covid-linked droplets: study

--- End quote ---

They could block 110% of every disease ever known to man; that's still not a reason to mandate them.

--- End quote ---

Your freedom to swing your arm ends when you make contact with my face. The mask mandate isn't to protect you from others. It's to protect others from you. You don't have the freedom to risk the lives of those around you just because you don't like to wear masks any more than you have the freedom to just randomly fire off your gun when other people are down range just because you like to fire your gun which you otherwise have a right to have. Or, for that matter, to swing your arm in such a way that it is likely to connect with my face just because you like to swing your arms. Or to not smoke cancer-causing cigarettes indoors in a business.

So yeah, the reason to mandate masks is to protect other people from you, and the Government can mandate that without impinging on your freedom to enjoy a mask-free life, other than when you're not in public. Because you do not have the right to risk the lives of others around you like that.

--- End quote ---

We're not talking about people swinging their arms wildly, blowing cigarette smoke straight onto someone's face or randomly shooting a gun into a crowd. We're talking about people breathing--BREATHING! This is the "freedom" that you're framing as "irresponsible behavior", you fucking lunatic.

BREATHING!!!

Over a fucking virus with a 99.8% survival rate for most of the population. When we get to the point where we're curtailing people's right to BREATHE over virus that they probably don't even have and it's not likely to kill anyone around them even if they did, we're no longer talking reasonable precautions. We're talking people irrationally OBSESSED with the illusion of "safety". And if our species is so fucking WEAK it requires everyone around them to stop breathing in order to withstand a fucking bug, maybe it deserves to die out.

--- End quote ---
A mask does not inhibit breathing (nor speaking). In a similar way, while we don't stop you from shitting yourself in public, we do have laws that require you to wear pants while doing so.

--- End quote ---

Exhaling is not the same fucking thing as shitting, you fucking mongoloid! Do you fucking subhumans speak in anything other than false equivalencies?

Mistwell:

--- Quote from: moonsweeper on December 25, 2020, 03:49:43 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mistwell on December 24, 2020, 08:34:09 PM ---Masks block 99.9% of large Covid-linked droplets: study

--- End quote ---

Thanks for that article.

Its nice to know that since I cover my nose and mouth when I cough or sneeze, like any human being over the age of five with a reasonable upbringing, I won't be spreading droplets that way.

...and since I am antisocial and don't talk to people, I won't be spitting on them, and the only virus I'll be spreading is from normal exhalation.  Since masks don't stop that transmission, I will continue to go mask-free in good conscience.

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That's not what it says. It says you spread it by exhaling and talking as well.

HappyDaze:

--- Quote from: VisionStorm on December 25, 2020, 10:28:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: HappyDaze on December 25, 2020, 09:54:06 AM ---
--- Quote from: VisionStorm on December 25, 2020, 09:47:52 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mistwell on December 25, 2020, 02:12:03 AM ---
--- Quote from: EOTB on December 24, 2020, 11:46:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: Mistwell on December 24, 2020, 08:34:09 PM ---Masks block 99.9% of large Covid-linked droplets: study

--- End quote ---

They could block 110% of every disease ever known to man; that's still not a reason to mandate them.

--- End quote ---

Your freedom to swing your arm ends when you make contact with my face. The mask mandate isn't to protect you from others. It's to protect others from you. You don't have the freedom to risk the lives of those around you just because you don't like to wear masks any more than you have the freedom to just randomly fire off your gun when other people are down range just because you like to fire your gun which you otherwise have a right to have. Or, for that matter, to swing your arm in such a way that it is likely to connect with my face just because you like to swing your arms. Or to not smoke cancer-causing cigarettes indoors in a business.

So yeah, the reason to mandate masks is to protect other people from you, and the Government can mandate that without impinging on your freedom to enjoy a mask-free life, other than when you're not in public. Because you do not have the right to risk the lives of others around you like that.

--- End quote ---

We're not talking about people swinging their arms wildly, blowing cigarette smoke straight onto someone's face or randomly shooting a gun into a crowd. We're talking about people breathing--BREATHING! This is the "freedom" that you're framing as "irresponsible behavior", you fucking lunatic.

BREATHING!!!

Over a fucking virus with a 99.8% survival rate for most of the population. When we get to the point where we're curtailing people's right to BREATHE over virus that they probably don't even have and it's not likely to kill anyone around them even if they did, we're no longer talking reasonable precautions. We're talking people irrationally OBSESSED with the illusion of "safety". And if our species is so fucking WEAK it requires everyone around them to stop breathing in order to withstand a fucking bug, maybe it deserves to die out.

--- End quote ---
A mask does not inhibit breathing (nor speaking). In a similar way, while we don't stop you from shitting yourself in public, we do have laws that require you to wear pants while doing so.

--- End quote ---

Exhaling is not the same fucking thing as shitting, you fucking mongoloid! Do you fucking subhumans speak in anything other than false equivalencies?

--- End quote ---
Subhuman? Please tell us all about your master race theory and how you're planning to win the impending genocide.

Mistwell:

--- Quote from: Pat on December 25, 2020, 09:33:15 AM ---
--- Quote from: Mistwell on December 25, 2020, 02:12:03 AM ---Your freedom to swing your arm ends when you make contact with my face. The mask mandate isn't to protect you from others. It's to protect others from you. You don't have the freedom to risk the lives of those around you just because you don't like to wear masks any more than you have the freedom to just randomly fire off your gun when other people are down range just because you like to fire your gun which you otherwise have a right to have. Or, for that matter, to swing your arm in such a way that it is likely to connect with my face just because you like to swing your arms. Or to not smoke cancer-causing cigarettes indoors in a business.

So yeah, the reason to mandate masks is to protect other people from you, and the Government can mandate that without impinging on your freedom to enjoy a mask-free life, other than when you're not in public. Because you do not have the right to risk the lives of others around you like that.

--- End quote ---
By that rationale, you could argue that the government can do literally anything, as long as it can be argued that it in some way contributes to public health. It requires no action on the part of the so-called aggressor, no direct evidence of harm, no clear standard of evidence, and no measure of the harm caused by the restrictions. That's far beyond the scope of even the most totalitarian regimes in history.

The traditional standard during epidemics is that the government can quarantine people or otherwise impose behavioral restrictions on people who are showing symptoms, in order to protect the wider public. Flipping that, and imposing great harm on the entire public in order to protect against something that affects only a tiny percentage of the public at any time, and which is less dangerous than the seasonal flu to the vast majority of the school and working age public (everyone under the age of 49), is cartoonish, mustache-twirling villainy, even if we ignore the science and assume that masks work.

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What I outlined is from John Locke and the basis of the Founders thinking in drafting the Constitution. It's the source of almost all our laws.

There is no standard regarding symptoms only. The Government quarantined entire cities back when the Founders were around, regardless of symptoms.

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