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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2020, 09:54:06 AM »
Masks block 99.9% of large Covid-linked droplets: study

They could block 110% of every disease ever known to man; that's still not a reason to mandate them.

Your freedom to swing your arm ends when you make contact with my face. The mask mandate isn't to protect you from others. It's to protect others from you. You don't have the freedom to risk the lives of those around you just because you don't like to wear masks any more than you have the freedom to just randomly fire off your gun when other people are down range just because you like to fire your gun which you otherwise have a right to have. Or, for that matter, to swing your arm in such a way that it is likely to connect with my face just because you like to swing your arms. Or to not smoke cancer-causing cigarettes indoors in a business.

So yeah, the reason to mandate masks is to protect other people from you, and the Government can mandate that without impinging on your freedom to enjoy a mask-free life, other than when you're not in public. Because you do not have the right to risk the lives of others around you like that.

We're not talking about people swinging their arms wildly, blowing cigarette smoke straight onto someone's face or randomly shooting a gun into a crowd. We're talking about people breathing--BREATHING! This is the "freedom" that you're framing as "irresponsible behavior", you fucking lunatic.

BREATHING!!!

Over a fucking virus with a 99.8% survival rate for most of the population. When we get to the point where we're curtailing people's right to BREATHE over virus that they probably don't even have and it's not likely to kill anyone around them even if they did, we're no longer talking reasonable precautions. We're talking people irrationally OBSESSED with the illusion of "safety". And if our species is so fucking WEAK it requires everyone around them to stop breathing in order to withstand a fucking bug, maybe it deserves to die out.
A mask does not inhibit breathing (nor speaking). In a similar way, while we don't stop you from shitting yourself in public, we do have laws that require you to wear pants while doing so.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2020, 10:28:13 AM »
Masks block 99.9% of large Covid-linked droplets: study

They could block 110% of every disease ever known to man; that's still not a reason to mandate them.

Your freedom to swing your arm ends when you make contact with my face. The mask mandate isn't to protect you from others. It's to protect others from you. You don't have the freedom to risk the lives of those around you just because you don't like to wear masks any more than you have the freedom to just randomly fire off your gun when other people are down range just because you like to fire your gun which you otherwise have a right to have. Or, for that matter, to swing your arm in such a way that it is likely to connect with my face just because you like to swing your arms. Or to not smoke cancer-causing cigarettes indoors in a business.

So yeah, the reason to mandate masks is to protect other people from you, and the Government can mandate that without impinging on your freedom to enjoy a mask-free life, other than when you're not in public. Because you do not have the right to risk the lives of others around you like that.

We're not talking about people swinging their arms wildly, blowing cigarette smoke straight onto someone's face or randomly shooting a gun into a crowd. We're talking about people breathing--BREATHING! This is the "freedom" that you're framing as "irresponsible behavior", you fucking lunatic.

BREATHING!!!

Over a fucking virus with a 99.8% survival rate for most of the population. When we get to the point where we're curtailing people's right to BREATHE over virus that they probably don't even have and it's not likely to kill anyone around them even if they did, we're no longer talking reasonable precautions. We're talking people irrationally OBSESSED with the illusion of "safety". And if our species is so fucking WEAK it requires everyone around them to stop breathing in order to withstand a fucking bug, maybe it deserves to die out.
A mask does not inhibit breathing (nor speaking). In a similar way, while we don't stop you from shitting yourself in public, we do have laws that require you to wear pants while doing so.

Exhaling is not the same fucking thing as shitting, you fucking mongoloid! Do you fucking subhumans speak in anything other than false equivalencies?

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2020, 12:13:29 PM »
Masks block 99.9% of large Covid-linked droplets: study

Thanks for that article.

Its nice to know that since I cover my nose and mouth when I cough or sneeze, like any human being over the age of five with a reasonable upbringing, I won't be spreading droplets that way.

...and since I am antisocial and don't talk to people, I won't be spitting on them, and the only virus I'll be spreading is from normal exhalation.  Since masks don't stop that transmission, I will continue to go mask-free in good conscience.

That's not what it says. It says you spread it by exhaling and talking as well.

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« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2020, 12:15:05 PM »
Masks block 99.9% of large Covid-linked droplets: study

They could block 110% of every disease ever known to man; that's still not a reason to mandate them.

Your freedom to swing your arm ends when you make contact with my face. The mask mandate isn't to protect you from others. It's to protect others from you. You don't have the freedom to risk the lives of those around you just because you don't like to wear masks any more than you have the freedom to just randomly fire off your gun when other people are down range just because you like to fire your gun which you otherwise have a right to have. Or, for that matter, to swing your arm in such a way that it is likely to connect with my face just because you like to swing your arms. Or to not smoke cancer-causing cigarettes indoors in a business.

So yeah, the reason to mandate masks is to protect other people from you, and the Government can mandate that without impinging on your freedom to enjoy a mask-free life, other than when you're not in public. Because you do not have the right to risk the lives of others around you like that.

We're not talking about people swinging their arms wildly, blowing cigarette smoke straight onto someone's face or randomly shooting a gun into a crowd. We're talking about people breathing--BREATHING! This is the "freedom" that you're framing as "irresponsible behavior", you fucking lunatic.

BREATHING!!!

Over a fucking virus with a 99.8% survival rate for most of the population. When we get to the point where we're curtailing people's right to BREATHE over virus that they probably don't even have and it's not likely to kill anyone around them even if they did, we're no longer talking reasonable precautions. We're talking people irrationally OBSESSED with the illusion of "safety". And if our species is so fucking WEAK it requires everyone around them to stop breathing in order to withstand a fucking bug, maybe it deserves to die out.
A mask does not inhibit breathing (nor speaking). In a similar way, while we don't stop you from shitting yourself in public, we do have laws that require you to wear pants while doing so.

Exhaling is not the same fucking thing as shitting, you fucking mongoloid! Do you fucking subhumans speak in anything other than false equivalencies?
Subhuman? Please tell us all about your master race theory and how you're planning to win the impending genocide.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2020, 12:16:40 PM »
Your freedom to swing your arm ends when you make contact with my face. The mask mandate isn't to protect you from others. It's to protect others from you. You don't have the freedom to risk the lives of those around you just because you don't like to wear masks any more than you have the freedom to just randomly fire off your gun when other people are down range just because you like to fire your gun which you otherwise have a right to have. Or, for that matter, to swing your arm in such a way that it is likely to connect with my face just because you like to swing your arms. Or to not smoke cancer-causing cigarettes indoors in a business.

So yeah, the reason to mandate masks is to protect other people from you, and the Government can mandate that without impinging on your freedom to enjoy a mask-free life, other than when you're not in public. Because you do not have the right to risk the lives of others around you like that.
By that rationale, you could argue that the government can do literally anything, as long as it can be argued that it in some way contributes to public health. It requires no action on the part of the so-called aggressor, no direct evidence of harm, no clear standard of evidence, and no measure of the harm caused by the restrictions. That's far beyond the scope of even the most totalitarian regimes in history.

The traditional standard during epidemics is that the government can quarantine people or otherwise impose behavioral restrictions on people who are showing symptoms, in order to protect the wider public. Flipping that, and imposing great harm on the entire public in order to protect against something that affects only a tiny percentage of the public at any time, and which is less dangerous than the seasonal flu to the vast majority of the school and working age public (everyone under the age of 49), is cartoonish, mustache-twirling villainy, even if we ignore the science and assume that masks work.

What I outlined is from John Locke and the basis of the Founders thinking in drafting the Constitution. It's the source of almost all our laws.

There is no standard regarding symptoms only. The Government quarantined entire cities back when the Founders were around, regardless of symptoms.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2020, 12:18:50 PM »
Masks block 99.9% of large Covid-linked droplets: study

They could block 110% of every disease ever known to man; that's still not a reason to mandate them.

Your freedom to swing your arm ends when you make contact with my face. The mask mandate isn't to protect you from others. It's to protect others from you. You don't have the freedom to risk the lives of those around you just because you don't like to wear masks any more than you have the freedom to just randomly fire off your gun when other people are down range just because you like to fire your gun which you otherwise have a right to have. Or, for that matter, to swing your arm in such a way that it is likely to connect with my face just because you like to swing your arms. Or to not smoke cancer-causing cigarettes indoors in a business.

So yeah, the reason to mandate masks is to protect other people from you, and the Government can mandate that without impinging on your freedom to enjoy a mask-free life, other than when you're not in public. Because you do not have the right to risk the lives of others around you like that.

We're not talking about people swinging their arms wildly, blowing cigarette smoke straight onto someone's face or randomly shooting a gun into a crowd. We're talking about people breathing--BREATHING! This is the "freedom" that you're framing as "irresponsible behavior", you fucking lunatic.

BREATHING!!!

Over a fucking virus with a 99.8% survival rate for most of the population. When we get to the point where we're curtailing people's right to BREATHE over virus that they probably don't even have and it's not likely to kill anyone around them even if they did, we're no longer talking reasonable precautions. We're talking people irrationally OBSESSED with the illusion of "safety". And if our species is so fucking WEAK it requires everyone around them to stop breathing in order to withstand a fucking bug, maybe it deserves to die out.

Smoking is just exhaling as well. And you're whining like a little fucking baby over wearing a simple mask. It's not an illusion of safety - I linked to a study proving it does drastically enhance safety. But you don't want to do that, because you're a fucking immature child throwing a fit over a little mask because you have this delusion it's linked to some core freedom when it is not.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2020, 01:46:56 PM »
People have died from contagious airborne diseases since the moment of the founding.  The logic used requires masks in perpetuity, if it is applicable here.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2020, 02:07:25 PM »
People have died from contagious airborne diseases since the moment of the founding.  The logic used requires masks in perpetuity, if it is applicable here.

Exactly. And airborne diseases have been a thing since before our species even existed. But people suddenly want to become hysterical about them after tens of THOUSANDS of years (and HUNDREDS of thousands of years of our species existing), and pretend that this is a reasonable worldview somehow. This is fucking retarded! This is a height of neuroticism!

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« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2020, 02:21:53 PM »
Masks block 99.9% of large Covid-linked droplets: study

Thanks for that article.

Its nice to know that since I cover my nose and mouth when I cough or sneeze, like any human being over the age of five with a reasonable upbringing, I won't be spreading droplets that way.

...and since I am antisocial and don't talk to people, I won't be spitting on them, and the only virus I'll be spreading is from normal exhalation.  Since masks don't stop that transmission, I will continue to go mask-free in good conscience.

That's not what it says. It says you spread it by exhaling and talking as well.
Yes, by aerosolized particles. Which bypass masks. It was originally believed that COVID-19 was spread by droplets. This was wrong. In fact, the research led them to realize the concepts of aerosolization they were using to model diseases were wrong. It's not that airborne diseases fall into two well-defined categories: Aerosolized and non-aerosolized. It's that aerosolization is a spectrum, and all airborne diseases are aerosolized to a greater or lesser degree. More than that, the novel coronavirus is far more aerosolized than they initially believed. In fact, that's the leading explanation for why masks don't work -- the disease is largely spread by tiny, airborne droplets that pass through masks as if they weren't there, and which quickly fill any room. This is why all those bus riders caught the disease, from someone who was facing the other direction and almost 10 meters away. That's why they were detecting the particle in hospital ducts. That's why ventilation is important, because you can't stop the spread with simple barriers, but you can with airflow.

That's why the study you linked is garbage. It hasn't been published or made available, so we can only rely on quotes and summaries by journalists. But if that statement about reducing 90% of the disease is correct and not a fabrication or misinterpretation by a reporter, or taken horribly out of context, the engineering students who conducted the experiment don't even know the first thing about the disease. Large droplets are not the primary transmission mechanism, and thus can't be responsible for an order of magnitude difference.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2020, 07:33:42 PM »
Yes, by aerosolized particles. Which bypass masks.

Again, not what it says. This would go so much easier if you read the thing you're responding to.

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« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2020, 07:36:07 PM »
People have died from contagious airborne diseases since the moment of the founding.  The logic used requires masks in perpetuity, if it is applicable here.

Exactly. And airborne diseases have been a thing since before our species even existed. But people suddenly want to become hysterical about them after tens of THOUSANDS of years (and HUNDREDS of thousands of years of our species existing), and pretend that this is a reasonable worldview somehow. This is fucking retarded! This is a height of neuroticism!

It's because of the number of people dying and being hospitalized by this one. Obviously. Your argument is akin to saying we shouldn't be bothered by nuclear blasts because we're being irradiated by the sun every day. Orders of degree are critical to any kind of discussion like this. Our hospitals are literally full. Zero ICU beds left. Almost zero normal hospital beds left. More people dead this year than in any year of your life. USA deaths from Covid are now at 330,034. Acknowledge orders of magnitude are relevant, and then we can discuss if this order of magnitude warrants a simple mask until the vaccine is distributed enough.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2020, 08:14:47 PM »
Can we just ignore HappyDaze and Mistwell already?  They don't want a discussion, or add anything to these discussions.  They just want to give us the same bullshit which was proven to not be true in prior threads.  They want us to shut up.

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« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2020, 08:28:42 PM »
Can we just ignore HappyDaze and Mistwell already?  They don't want a discussion, or add anything to these discussions.  They just want to give us the same bullshit which was proven to not be true in prior threads.  They want us to shut up.
Have I asked you to shut up? I'm perfectly fine with you continuing to embarass yourself through stupidity that you want to call patriotism. However, if you want to ignore me, feel free, but I'll still call out your idiocy for others

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« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2020, 08:33:43 PM »
Greetings!

I think it is interesting that all of the people here--as well as in society--that are Leftists almost exclusively and stridently support mask wearing and strict lockdown policies for society in regards to the China virus, while more right-wing and Conservative people support freedom, for both individuals and individual communities making independent choices.

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« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2020, 08:44:30 PM »
Greetings!

I think it is interesting that all of the people here--as well as in society--that are Leftists almost exclusively and stridently support mask wearing and strict lockdown policies for society in regards to the China virus, while more right-wing and Conservative people support freedom, for both individuals and individual communities making independent choices.

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That's, like, your opinion, man. I'm a conservative even if I'm not a right-wing extremist, and I support reasonable masking requirements and some limitations on business access. I find that it's the right-wing extremist assholes that see the measures as all or nothing.