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Author Topic: Here's your Mask Protocol  (Read 71505 times)

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #105 on: January 15, 2021, 06:41:47 PM »
While everyone is sword-fighting with statistics, I wonder why the SCIENCE crowd is so quiet about the latest political decisions and just-released lockdown studies?

The lag between linking to favorable science is usually measured in nanoseconds, so the absence is noted

The scientists are waiting to get orders from the government on how to spin it.
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #106 on: January 15, 2021, 08:34:57 PM »
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html (scenario 5 is the best guess)

Thanks. The two CDC pages certainly don't make it easy to compare. They break it down into  different age cohorts for flu than for Covid. Plus one is reported as an infection fatality ratio and the other as numbers per 100,000, so you have to do some math to get comparable figures. But near as I can tell, the Covid mortality rate for 20-49 year olds is ten times higher than the flu mortality rate for 18-49 year olds (0.0002 vs. 0.000019 respectively).

EDITED TO ADD: that said, even if my math is right, I am not super confident in the flu-Covid comparisons except maybe in a broad-brush way. Flu is not reportable, so really hard to get a handle on its prevalence. Just look at the uncertainty intervals in the flu tables, they are huge!
I get that number as well, but I'm not terribly confident without looking over the data a lot more closely. As you noted, the pages aren't terribly friendly or easy to compare.

But that conflicts with other sources, which suggests the flu has an IFR of 0.1% (the CDC's 38 million infected/22K deaths for the last season is 0.57%, i.e. within in a factor of two but not the same) and that COVID-19's is only a few times larger.

22k deaths out of 38 million is 0.057%, not 0.57%. But that is the rate for the flu among all ages - including the very elderly. The rate for those under 50 is much lower.

The 22K deaths from the 2019-2020 flu season is parallel to the 390K total deaths from covid-19.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #107 on: January 15, 2021, 11:26:00 PM »
The 22K deaths from the 2019-2020 flu season is parallel to the 390K total deaths from covid-19.

2017-2018 Flu season caused an estimated 80k deaths so it looks like 2019-2020 was a very good year for preventing deaths.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017--2018-cdc-bn/index.html
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #108 on: January 15, 2021, 11:39:13 PM »
EDITED TO ADD: that said, even if my math is right, I am not super confident in the flu-Covid comparisons except maybe in a broad-brush way. Flu is not reportable, so really hard to get a handle on its prevalence. Just look at the uncertainty intervals in the flu tables, they are huge!

Influenza reportedly killed 675,000 Americans in 1918. We're in a similar situation now with 383,000+ dead of Covid-19.

This almost certainly misses indirect deaths, where people can't get hospital care for an unrelated serious health issue because hospitals are too full, or people who hesitate to seek medical care where capacity exists that would save them because they're afraid of being exposed. White room comparison the two diseases is false comfort, even for people who don't care about anyone older than 50.
  US population was 103.2 million in 1918.  That is a massive proportional difference.  Add in the average life span in 1918 was a bit over 50 (far fewer elderly and sick people to die from the flu) and tossing numbers like that around sort of makes it look like you are attempting to manipulate facts. 

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #109 on: January 15, 2021, 11:43:15 PM »
The 22K deaths from the 2019-2020 flu season is parallel to the 390K total deaths from covid-19.

2017-2018 Flu season caused an estimated 80k deaths so it looks like 2019-2020 was a very good year for preventing deaths.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/26/health/flu-deaths-2017--2018-cdc-bn/index.html

Fair enough. I think the average is somewhere in the middle. 2019-2020 was unusually low, but 2017-2018 was unusually high. Your own link says Overall, the United States experienced one of the most severe flu seasons in recent decades. Severity is based on flu activity, hospitalizations, and deaths from pneumonia or influenza, explained Nordlund. She added, "across the board, last year was definitely bad."

Here's a graph I found. (It shows the 2017-2018 deaths as 61,000 rather than 80,000 which is also what I see on the CDC website.)



Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/10/07/how-many-americans-die-from-the-flu-each-year-infographic/?sh=5b36aee713ea
cf. also https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden-averted/2017-2018.htm

So, let's call it 40,000 average.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #110 on: January 15, 2021, 11:48:58 PM »
Question, how many here have had COVID or know someone that has had it?

  about 12 people.  7 fairly well, and the other 5 in passing.  7 of them are over 70.  4 are in their 20's and one is a 40+ with some pre existing health issues.  No fatalities, one hospitalization (pre existing conditions, over 70, and though the research is not solid yet, a susceptible blood type).

Yeesh, this sort of thing makes me very happy I'm living in Korea. I'm in contact with all kinds of people through my work and ZERO of them have even come into contact with anyone with the virus, at least as far as Korea's very active contact tracing can tell. Like I said upthread the closest I've got to a link to the virus is a worker at my secretary's daughter's daycare who was working with a different batch of kids.

  In fairness I have a pretty broad net of people I know or who have crossed paths with, all across the USA.  I did leave a fellow out, who I think also got hospitalized, but is out now and headed to full recovery.  He was also 70+ and had a list of health issues.  So 13 total (and in fairness, he is still having breathing issues, so no way to be certain of how his story ends).

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #111 on: January 16, 2021, 07:22:27 AM »
Did any of you miss what the Dems are saying? Don't worry about the COV! I mean, it's 2021 ~ Orange-man Gone ~ Time to RE-OPEN! FUCK THE SCIENCE! ITS RAY-CIS'd ANYWAY!
https://twitter.com/cbschicago/status/1349778522240389124

I didn't. I'm so used to horseshit about Covid I'm not surprised.

I wonder if masks are next? Who knows what tomorrow's right-think about Covid will be...
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #112 on: January 16, 2021, 07:36:07 AM »
Greetings!

Golly, isn't it so wonderful that we have Biden and Kamala leading the way for America in the Covid era? Just bow down and suck Kamala's ass, and give thanks to the ever-wise and benevolent Democrats.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #113 on: January 16, 2021, 06:22:28 PM »
Greetings!

Golly, isn't it so wonderful that we have Biden and Kamala leading the way for America in the Covid era? Just bow down and suck Kamala's ass, and give thanks to the ever-wise and benevolent Democrats.

Semper Fidelis,

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To be fair it's got to be better than the last shower of glaikit shite.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #114 on: January 16, 2021, 09:55:16 PM »
Greetings!

Golly, isn't it so wonderful that we have Biden and Kamala leading the way for America in the Covid era? Just bow down and suck Kamala's ass, and give thanks to the ever-wise and benevolent Democrats.

Semper Fidelis,

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To be fair it's got to be better than the last shower of glaikit shite.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #115 on: January 16, 2021, 11:35:20 PM »
Greetings!

Golly, isn't it so wonderful that we have Biden and Kamala leading the way for America in the Covid era? Just bow down and suck Kamala's ass, and give thanks to the ever-wise and benevolent Democrats.

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #116 on: April 17, 2021, 04:58:23 PM »
Yo face diaper wearing retards!

Peer reviewed STANFORD study says masks are useless.  Fuck you all.


https://americanconservativemovement.com/2021/04/17/stanford-study-quietly-published-at-nih-gov-proves-face-masks-are-absolutely-worthless-against-covid/

The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression. Long-term consequences of wearing facemask can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death. Governments, policy makers and health organizations should utilize prosper and scientific evidence-based approach with respect to wearing facemasks, when the latter is considered as preventive intervention for public health.

You FUCKING BASTARDS pushed masks on children to consume them with fear. Death by fire isn't enough for you.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #117 on: April 17, 2021, 05:23:38 PM »
Shut the fuck up you worthless commie. Those children had it coming and so will you.
I don't want to play with you.

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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #118 on: April 18, 2021, 07:19:22 PM »
Yo face diaper wearing retards!

Peer reviewed STANFORD study says masks are useless.  Fuck you all.



The box the mask comes in literally says they don't do anything to reduce the infection of viruses, so why the fuck do I need a peer-reviewed study to confirm that?

Peak clown world!
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Re: Here's your Mask Protocol
« Reply #119 on: April 18, 2021, 07:57:25 PM »
Yo face diaper wearing retards!

Peer reviewed STANFORD study says masks are useless.  Fuck you all.



The box the mask comes in literally says they don't do anything to reduce the infection of viruses, so why the fuck do I need a peer-reviewed study to confirm that?

Peak clown world!

Greetings!

But, Brad! We have geniuses right here on this forum that insist that THEY KNOW BETTER! EVERYONE SHOULD BE WEARING THE FUCKING MASK!

*laughing* ;D

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