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Author Topic: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!  (Read 6239 times)

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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2021, 11:04:24 AM »
Daily Mail UK and others are starting to pick the story up.

The more it is spread, the harder it will be for other news outlets to not comment on it in some way, that may have a different readership demographic.  It's an interesting litmus test of how pervasive selective journalism has taken hold, even in the main venues.

It will be very interesting to see if Hasbro stays mute on this and for how long.  I'm imagining they are in some serious damage control mode, figuring out what to do.  A lot of potential purchasing power at stake here.

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« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2021, 11:24:55 AM »
Still a whole bunch of the so called progressives can’t really lash out too much because again even if they do they look bad. If your saying that POC must always be believed one can’t them also say they are lying. The. They expose themselves as hypocrites.

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« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2021, 11:34:04 AM »
Perhaps more people will realise that these large corporations only care about their financials and shareholders, first and foremost.  Anyone who thinks that they represent their social issues for any other reason than social trends and carefully examined demographic expectations for profit is a fool.

Best case scenario, it helps get rid of the juggernaut of RPG's that to most, represents popular opinion in the hobby.
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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2021, 12:57:40 PM »
I know this is straying outside the RPG topic, but topics like this being discussed is one of the main reasons I come here.  Not a freakin' peep from what I can see at other 'places'.

Some might argue the point, but how is this any different from TSR (part deux) as a company, getting lambasted over far less, and that seemed an a-ok topic to liberally throw around without the ban hammers coming out.  What a double standard.

So glad this forum exists, at the least, to provide a differing viewpoint on the pushed narrative.

One would think Rpg.net and Enworld would be all over this, except it does not follow those sites narrative on anything and everything. Otherwise the other forums silence is neither surprising or coincidental.

After looking at the link the other so called more progressive forums are silent imo because the whistleblower is not a white person. So by their own rules if they say anything negative they would be racist and needing to check their privilege lol.

The way they get around that is to say that the person has "Internalized X". Racism or misogyny or whatever.

It won't be long before this guy gets called an Uncle Tom. Seen it happen to all the black people who don't follow the woke agenda.

He indicated he had already been called an "Uncle Tom" by people he interacted with about the training film, and that he would likely be labeled a "black, white supremacist".   The whole thing is FUBAR.

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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2021, 01:53:41 PM »
Conscious Kid is a very fucked up and unethical group. I've seen them push lies in the past, back when they were arguing publicly that Cat in the Hat is blackface. I'm disheartened to learn just how many companies are now using them for consultations, given how nutso some of their views and actions in the past are.

Of course I am also no fan of Project Veritas as I've seen them lie in the past too. But this is a direct interview, and then others do direct interviews, and nothing looks false or misleading in the guy actually doing the whistleblowing so far.
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« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2021, 02:58:48 PM »
One thing I almost never fail to notice is how the "propaganda" is full of holes.

Take this video: "Studies show... studies say..." Which studies? Done by whom? Links? Books? Peer reviewed papers?

One would imagine that a peep talk done to a mega corporation would include serious references, maybe the appearance of recognised experts. Here we have two random dudes who clearly were filming themselves with an iPhone 4 while spewing "truths" without any evidence and support.

The amazing thing is that, were I actually interested in inserting CRT in my products, I would still have ditched these two as crocks. "Unprofessional CRT cult leaders" is really a new low. 😶
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« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2021, 03:28:56 PM »
And about an hour after I sent the video of the whistleblower to Breitbart, they have an article up about it.  Hope that helps get the word out a little bit more.

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« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2021, 05:03:28 PM »
One thing I almost never fail to notice is how the "propaganda" is full of holes.

Take this video: "Studies show... studies say..." Which studies? Done by whom? Links? Books? Peer reviewed papers?

One would imagine that a peep talk done to a mega corporation would include serious references, maybe the appearance of recognised experts. Here we have two random dudes who clearly were filming themselves with an iPhone 4 while spewing "truths" without any evidence and support.

The amazing thing is that, were I actually interested in inserting CRT in my products, I would still have ditched these two as crocks. "Unprofessional CRT cult leaders" is really a new low. 😶

Exactly. When Wikipedia has stronger citation requirements than your corporate training vendor, it is time to pause and think about what the universe is trying to tell you.

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« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2021, 05:54:27 PM »
The studies do support a lot of the claims made in the video within the first half of the Project Veritas video. Studies of babies reacting to skin color and other social cues goes back decades, it's not really controversial, and it's not Critical Race Theory. Tribalism and defining in and out groups is fundamental to human social organizations, and that's literally among the first things kids pick up.

That's why I think the PV video is very weak, because it starts by presenting correct information as outrageous. Babies and young children pick up cues about in and out groups. That's not the problem. The problem is it doesn't look at the full scope of how people think. It's similar to the implicit bias tests, which are used to claim people are bigots by flashing images of different people on the screen, and then measuring how the subject reacts to people of different races. While it's true that most people show some degree of favoritism, it's literally just measuring how people react in the first instant. It doesn't account for all the other processes that occur in our brain. There are layers of responses that occur after that first instant, where different parts of the brain jump in, and react to that first reaction, often completely overriding it. A lot of what the pre-frontal cortex does, for instance, is overriding the quicker response of the amygdala. This doesn't happen at the conscious level, but phrased in conscious terms, it's basically the equivalent of reacting negatively to someone, and then realizing your reaction was unfair, and trying to compensate. Now the initial reaction does matter -- if you're deciding whether to shoot someone, the higher parts of your brain may not have time to react -- but in most social situations, it's almost completely irrelevant, because that initial reaction will be overridden. It's not amoral to correct an initial response. In fact, you can make a strong moral argument that someone who does that is more moral than someone who didn't have the negative response in the first place.

So unless you look at the full picture, you're just cherry picking details to support a narrative. The different parts of the brain develop at different developmental stages in babies, children, and young adults; and they need to all be considered before you can draw conclusions about bias.

If anyone's interested in how the human mind works, including moral development, I'd recommend Behave by Robert Sapolsky. It's a massive, magisterial tome that covers everything from neurology, to genetics, all the way through psychology and culture.

The second half of the PV video is more to the point, because it's highlighting a lot of the loaded jargon being used, the improper conclusions being drawn, and the questionable recommendations of the trainers. I would have liked a deeper dive, because it mostly just comes across as gibberish with bad intent.


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« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2021, 06:38:05 PM »
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So unless you look at the full picture, you're just cherry picking details to support a narrative. ...

Dialectic does not win arguments with normies; Rhetoric does.

PV going into the nuance of 'the studies' would just weaken their argument with the average person and make it easier for people to dismiss the whistleblowers complaints about CRT as much ado about nothing.

Hammering CR theory with the biggest Rhetorical hammers that you can get is the only way to win.

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It is a knife fight in the gutter.
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« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2021, 06:58:48 PM »
Dialectic does not win arguments with normies; Rhetoric does.
Fortunately, this is an obscure halal game board. There's no chance a key battle in the cultural war will be waged among these bits, so there's nothing to win, and therefore absolutely no reason to engage in win-at-any-cost tactics. We might as well have civil and rational discussions, instead.

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« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2021, 07:10:14 PM »
Dialectic does not win arguments with normies; Rhetoric does.
Fortunately, this is an obscure halal game board. There's no chance a key battle in the cultural war will be waged among these bits, so there's nothing to win, and therefore absolutely no reason to engage in win-at-any-cost tactics. We might as well have civil and rational discussions, instead.

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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2021, 07:10:51 PM »
Things will get worse before they get better.

This assumes things will get better.

I have no such confidence.
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Re: Hasbro CRT Whistleblower and WoTC Wokism Exposed!
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2021, 07:45:12 PM »
The studies do support a lot of the claims made in the video within the first half of the Project Veritas video. Studies of babies reacting to skin color and other social cues goes back decades, it's not really controversial, and it's not Critical Race Theory. Tribalism and defining in and out groups is fundamental to human social organizations, and that's literally among the first things kids pick up.

How the CRT Race Grifters present it is totally disingenuous. As I stated in my video.

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That's why I think the PV video is very weak, because it starts by presenting correct information as outrageous.

Their conclusions, that "sixth month old white babies are racists" (and that non-white toddlers are not and cannot be racist) are absolutely outrageous.

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« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2021, 07:48:42 PM »
Dialectic does not win arguments with normies; Rhetoric does.
Fortunately, this is an obscure halal game board. There's no chance a key battle in the cultural war will be waged among these bits, so there's nothing to win, and therefore absolutely no reason to engage in win-at-any-cost tactics. We might as well have civil and rational discussions, instead.

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