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Author Topic: Harry Potter and how Millennial Leftists Don't Even Speak Western Anymore  (Read 4862 times)

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« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2018, 04:07:06 PM »
Well said, the West has already fallen.
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« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2018, 05:38:19 PM »
As a Millennial who hates other Millennials and has more in common with his Gen X parents than he does his classmates, I can safely say that Harry Potter sucks (and so do Marvel and DC) and my generation is doomed.

I'm hoping against hope that the Homelanders/Gen Z can retake the cultural paradigm from Millennials and save Western Civilization from the most spoiled and pathetic generation in American history.
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« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2018, 06:35:58 PM »
The pendulum always swings, whether or not we want it to or like the results.

...and the farther the pendulum rises in one direction, foretells how far it swings in the other...

But hey, few people in power are willing to learn from history, whether or not they know the dates.

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« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2018, 06:51:44 PM »
As compared to previous generations, Millennials do have too many alternatives to actual study and acting as responsible adults, and many have the notion that they can screw up and everything is still going to be okay because they can continue to live in mom's basement after the age of 30. But that said, I have raised a Millennial, and most of her friends are as successful as she is, and also well educated in regards to Western civilization. As for the ones in college, we aren't seeing everyone on campus displaying the worst behaviors - a disturbing number, but not all.

There are a lot of cultural (and intellectual) Millennial dummies because they had crap parents. The ones that can sit down and have an educated conversation with adults over the age of 50 are fewer, but I haven't lost faith that the entire generation is a bust because I have seen too many good examples.
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« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2018, 08:38:17 PM »
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- a disturbing number, but not all.

Exactly. They aren't a hive mind...as much as many try.

And I agree that crappy parents are the #1 source of crappy kids.

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« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2018, 10:18:57 PM »
Also, the previous generations didn't ditch Shakespeare.  They are definitely getting worse.

So many colleges refuse to allow conflicting points of view.  They want automatons, and they are getting them.

We're in trouble.

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« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2018, 05:57:08 AM »
When I went to school it was the best. The previous and the following was shit. Also, when I was in my twenties, we were intelligent and cool as fuck. The people in their twenties these days are utter idiots. Older generations are also idiots, though. Heck, they even suggested similar things but they were obviously wrong. It's kinda cool that I am the pinnacle of humanity but so it goes. All downhill from here.

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« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2018, 08:01:59 AM »
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I know K-12 science education pretty well in the U.S., from a teaching credential and master's in education. I know less about history and English teaching, and definitely not much about schooling in England.

To some degree, I think that memorizing dates and facts is often overrated. I felt my son's schooling was pretty traditional, despite being in the center of hippy-dippy northern California. Yeah, he learned stuff about local history - the Ohlone - and he even learned a bit of Indonesian dance in one of his middle school elective classes. But he still had to memorize all the state capitals and went through history timelines and so forth. He still read Mark Twain and Shakespeare along with some Toni Morrison. I think his K-12 was pretty similar to mine rather than some huge sea change. I have a lot of issues with the educational system today, but I didn't think much of teaching in my time either.


I think you need both analysis and memorization. I can understand concern about reducing subjects like history to memorizing names and dates, but it is such an important learning tool and so necessary for helping provide context. I don't think kids need to come out of high school with an astounding recollection of the timeline of events. But they should at least know the basics and develop the habit so they do it on their own if they go to college or develop an interest in a period. Knowing key dates and people also helps analysis. And it honestly only takes about ten minutes of time a day to do. It isn't the real work of history. It is still important. The way I look at it, whether it is for school, person growth, professional research, or hobby interest, when you start looking at a particular period, the amount of effort you invest in this step, affects how easy the rest of it is for you. Microhistory is great. I enjoy more focused examinations of a topic. But it really does help to know the context and how that contexts might be impacting the topic you are focused on.

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« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2018, 11:45:41 AM »
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I think you need both analysis and memorization. I can understand concern about reducing subjects like history to memorizing names and dates, but it is such an important learning tool and so necessary for helping provide context. I don't think kids need to come out of high school with an astounding recollection of the timeline of events. But they should at least know the basics and develop the habit so they do it on their own if they go to college or develop an interest in a period. Knowing key dates and people also helps analysis. And it honestly only takes about ten minutes of time a day to do. It isn't the real work of history. It is still important. The way I look at it, whether it is for school, person growth, professional research, or hobby interest, when you start looking at a particular period, the amount of effort you invest in this step, affects how easy the rest of it is for you. Microhistory is great. I enjoy more focused examinations of a topic. But it really does help to know the context and how that contexts might be impacting the topic you are focused on.

I liked the way my history teachers handled the senior years of high school.  You were expected to know the dates and major players but the critical thinking aspect of analyzing the historical situations and outcomes was more important.  Marks were broken down between being able to correctly provide names and dates and for the ability to develop a thesis and support it.  Of course this is the British Columbia school system in the late 90's and not the modern US school system.

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« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2018, 12:07:12 PM »
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Marks were broken down between being able to correctly provide names and dates and for the ability to develop a thesis and support it.  


That's fantastic. Seriously, I can't even get half or more of my fellow UK University lecturers to accept this! I recently suggested something like this for a first year undergraduate module, and got back a dismissive reply from the (very senior) module leader, along the lines that facts were for secondary school, what he cared about was in-depth critical analysis (from 18 year olds a few weeks into their first year of study). Which is utter rubbish - (a) The schools don't teach facts any more, and (b) The subject was one almost none of the students will have studied in school! :mad:

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« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2018, 01:17:00 PM »
I'll preface this by saying around age 15, I was forced to choose between History and Another, and I firmly regret not going down the History route. That course would have involved lots of recent-past English history, and my interests were and remain almost any other part of human history, but learning the techniques and disciplines required would have been invaluable.

But I'm rather sceptical of the value of learning names and dates by rote, especially in these days of cellphones and Google, where that information (not subject to interpretation or analysis) can be instantly accessed. I still suffer "PTSD" from having to learn the names and dates of all the English Kings and Queens. It was a hassle and - IMO - totally not useful.

I do remember when a History teacher asked us why a particular bygone Cabinet (French, IIRC) was so small, just a few names....none of us got it. The answer was that the country was at war, and thus the cabinet was a necessarily-tiny War Cabinet. That example made things really click for me, how everything is interconnected.

So it's not that I don't value knowing about names, dates, places, in order to examine and understand their interconnectedness, it's just that I am unsold on the need to spend time learning the former by rote, instead of spending more time on the latter, with a tablet PC alongside to call data up.

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a) I suspect you might be arguing something different
b) requirements change as you get further into academia
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« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2018, 03:31:36 PM »
The thing about dates is if you don't know them, then you're going to miss how things are connected or what order they happened in.

It important to have that mental timeline.  If you know dates then you know that the crusades were largely over by the time of the Black Death, which happened during the time of the Hundred Years war, and well before the War of the Roses which came at the end of the middle ages - between the fall of Constantinople and Columbus' voyage.

If you don't have the timeline - then you don't have the mental framework to go any deeper.

(Of course I never learnt any of the above in school)

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« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2018, 03:46:18 PM »
I would say that Western civilization is well into a decline, but we don't yet know the depth of the ravine into which we are falling.  It is bad enough that already there is forming islands of sanity--the 21st century equivalent of monasteries, if you will--to preserve Western civilization through such a decline.  I visited such a place this weekend with one of my kids, a high school senior.  The decline has been evident for anyone with eyes to see since the 60's.  What has changed for this generation of teens is that now the decline is evident to even some that don't want to see.  For all that it's a bad thing otherwise, barbarians at the gate does tend to concentrate the mind.

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« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2018, 03:55:25 PM »
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If you don't have the timeline - then you don't have the mental framework to go any deeper.

I agree with this.  The timeline doesn't even need to be entirely accurate.  I'm not terribly bothered, for example, if a young American student can't get the dates of the American Civil War exactly correct.  Or even a range of decades, in some cases.  If they are unsure between choices of occurs sometime in:  1850's or 1860's or 1870's, I'm not all that impressed but I can live with it.  If the multiple choice answers are 1770's or 1860's or 1940's, and they have no clue, you've got problems.  Because to be unable to get that latter answer correct betrays no mental concept of American history, related to reality, in any shape, form, or fashion.  Not knowing the dates, in and of itself, is only ignorance.  It is, however, a symptom of a far deeper problem.

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« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2018, 04:02:30 PM »
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, because they were being given feminist diversity training instead of learning the history of their civilization.  They certainly don't know what "the least of these" refers to or where it comes from.


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