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Author Topic: Gen Con to Possibly Leave Indiana [politics]  (Read 26491 times)

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« Reply #315 on: April 01, 2015, 11:02:16 AM »
Quote from: Brad;823253
Angie's List is currently under a major class-action lawsuit for fraud. They jumped on the "Fuck Indiana!" bandwagon for what appears to be a diversion.

So, yeah, believe what you want, this is just hyped up bullshit.


How about Big Pharma company Elli Lilly? Or any if the other major corporations doing business in the state? Let me guess, that's just a diversion too.

Lots of diversions.

But this has been a good exchange because now I know you're a fundie extremist for your particular -ism and thus there is no having a reasonable discussion with you on this subject.

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« Reply #316 on: April 01, 2015, 11:19:44 AM »
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Angie's List is currently under a major class-action lawsuit for fraud. They jumped on the "Fuck Indiana!" bandwagon for what appears to be a diversion.

So, yeah, believe what you want, this is just hyped up bullshit.


Then how do you spin Walmart's pressure to veto the Arkansas version of the bill?

Hang on and I'll get more popcorn; I'm running low.

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« Reply #317 on: April 01, 2015, 11:22:06 AM »
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How about Big Pharma company Elli Lilly? Or any if the other major corporations doing business in the state? Let me guess, that's just a diversion too.

Lots of diversions.

But this has been a good exchange because now I know you're a fundie extremist for your particular -ism and thus there is no having a reasonable discussion with you on this subject.

Yes, pointing out that a bunch of corporations jumping on the sensationalist journalist bandwagon is some how "fundie extremist". Really? This is what passes for a counter-argument? It might be easier to just call me a Neo-Nazi or something. Or what about racist bigot?

And, yeah, lots of PR. That's all it is. In a couple months, I bet you hear zero about this at all. Big corporations give fuck-all about anything unless it makes them money.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2015, 11:25:04 AM by Brad »

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« Reply #318 on: April 01, 2015, 03:21:21 PM »
Here is a really good inforgraphic on how this law (and other laws work)

It isn't what some are making it out to be:


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« Reply #319 on: April 01, 2015, 04:02:10 PM »
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Here is a really good inforgraphic on how this law (and other laws work)

It isn't what some are making it out to be:



Be careful! Yeah, I used an infographic from the same group earlier and was told that it was just Religious Conservative Republican propaganda because it didn't agree with the popular narrative be pushed.

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« Reply #320 on: April 01, 2015, 04:05:04 PM »
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Anti-gay, "marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman" lobbyists combined with Republican politicians in Indiana who want to appease their fundamentalist religious base for creation and passing of the new law. Politicians whose base favors gay marriage or opposes discrimination against GLBT folks for pposing or boycotting the law. Pretty much what one would expect of the various political factions.


None of which are Gen Con. What are Gen Con's motivations in all this?

You seem to not want to consider that question, but really want to obfuscate it while adding your own spin.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2015, 04:27:13 PM by jeff37923 »

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« Reply #321 on: April 01, 2015, 06:10:24 PM »
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How about Big Pharma company Elli Lilly? Or any if the other major corporations doing business in the state? Let me guess, that's just a diversion too.

To be fair ANGI has been bending Indianapolis over for months over this expansion, demanding the city pay for a $9 million parking garage and spend another $6 million to relocate some school system tenants from the building the company wanted to occupy. I get the sense they were on the fence anyway and were never really committed to the city unless it coughed up the millions.

LLY is almost infinitely more serious. They've been there since 1876 and make more in a week than ANGI brings down in a year. The dot-pebbles can vote all they like, here comes the avalanche.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2015, 06:13:20 PM by econobus »

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« Reply #322 on: April 01, 2015, 06:44:30 PM »
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Yes, pointing out that a bunch of corporations jumping on the sensationalist journalist bandwagon is some how "fundie extremist". Really? This is what passes for a counter-argument? It might be easier to just call me a Neo-Nazi or something. Or what about racist bigot?

And, yeah, lots of PR. That's all it is. In a couple months, I bet you hear zero about this at all. Big corporations give fuck-all about anything unless it makes them money.


Sorry, been actually out of the office on meetings.

Brad, Buddy, this is one you will lose.  This isn't small companies and small amounts of money.  

The sound you are hearing is the Religious Right side of the conservative segment running headlong into the Sugar Daddy/Lobbyist side of the same group.
Hard.  

Three years ago, Walmart wouldn't care.  They learned differently.  
Being seen as non-inclusive is bad business now.
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« Reply #323 on: April 01, 2015, 06:45:54 PM »
Quote from: Brad;823263
Yes, pointing out that a bunch of corporations jumping on the sensationalist journalist bandwagon is some how "fundie extremist". Really? This is what passes for a counter-argument? It might be easier to just call me a Neo-Nazi or something. Or what about racist bigot?

And, yeah, lots of PR. That's all it is. In a couple months, I bet you hear zero about this at all. Big corporations give fuck-all about anything unless it makes them money.

It's almost like it's magical invisible hand of free market at work!
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don't Like You thread should be closed

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« Reply #324 on: April 01, 2015, 06:49:15 PM »
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None of which are Gen Con. What are Gen Con's motivations in all this?

You seem to not want to consider that question, but really want to obfuscate it while adding your own spin.


http://files.gencon.com/Gen_Con_Anti-Discrimination.30_Mar_2015.pdf

Howzat for simple?

They recognize the law for what it is.
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« Reply #325 on: April 01, 2015, 07:08:13 PM »
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...The sound you are hearing is the Religious Right side of the conservative segment running headlong into the Sugar Daddy/Lobbyist side of the same group.
Hard.  

Three years ago, Walmart wouldn't care.  They learned differently.  
Being seen as non-inclusive is bad business now.

Yep.  It was swaggering overreach, and it played badly in Peoria.  That wouldn't have mattered, but now CEOs are feeling inconvenienced, so Pence is hung out to dry looking like the asshole that he is.

In the big GOP retreat, we're not going to see the wingnuts undo all the harm they cause.  Watching their apologists squirm, though, is some grim satisfaction.  

7/10  Would schadenfreude again.

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« Reply #326 on: April 01, 2015, 08:56:43 PM »
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None of which are Gen Con. What are Gen Con's motivations in all this?
I don't know how Gen Con is structured. That makes it difficult to say with any certainty.

I'd guess whoever makes decisions for Gen Con (a) wanted to register their opposition to the law to encourage Indiana politicians, especially the governor, not to pass the law or (b) thought registering their opposition to the potential law would enhance the Con's image with a significant segment of potential attendees regardless of whether or not it changed the minds of Indiana politicians. It's likely that both reasons were factors. It is possible that the decision makers decided to make a statement based solely on their own principles without regard to its effect on attendees - that would be (c). I tend to discount (c) since I usually assume business decisions aren't made solely on that basis, but it's possible I suppose.

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You seem to not want to consider that question, but really want to obfuscate it while adding your own spin.
I don't think the question deserves much consideration as it seemed as obvious as the reasons that the politicians are doing their little appease the base dance.

EDIT: I see from the link LordVreeg provided that Gen Con answered the question themselves.
So a, b, and possibly in alignment with their own principles.

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Be careful! Yeah, I used an infographic from the same group earlier and was told that it was just Religious Conservative Republican propaganda because it didn't agree with the popular narrative be pushed.
This graphic seems aimed at conveying factual information rather than selling the concept. I note that the Indiana law changes step 1 so that the person, church, organization doesn't need to show an existing burden or substantial burden only the likelihood that their might be a burden at some point.
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« Reply #327 on: April 01, 2015, 09:32:28 PM »
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It's almost like it's magical invisible hand of free market at work!


Isn't it though?

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« Reply #328 on: April 02, 2015, 12:41:14 AM »
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It's almost like it's magical invisible hand of free market at work!


Right now, this is the part of the movie where the GOP's Corporate Backers argue with the Tea Party over the pile of money they collected, and the Tea Party guys set the money on fire, saying, "Don't worry- we're only burning OUR half."

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« Reply #329 on: April 02, 2015, 01:08:26 AM »
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http://files.gencon.com/Gen_Con_Anti-Discrimination.30_Mar_2015.pdf

Howzat for simple?

They recognize the law for what it is.


That is just a press release, which may or may not be their actual intentions. It does make an interesting comparison to their Letter to Attendees posted up thread.