Gen Con to Possibly Leave Indiana [politics]

[Teazia]

I don't think they are worried about vendors at Gen Con itself so much as people who are coming to attend Gen Con encountering discrimination (for example hotels refusing to give same sex couples shared rooms or something).

I think this is highly unlikely.  But I suppose it could happen?!?

[Koltar]

As an unrelated aside, I was never fond of Kentucky, but because I have relatives in Tennessee and my grandfather was born there, I have to remain neutral on that state.

Nothing really 'wrong' with Kentucky or the people that live there.

 Over 14 years ago I went to a Lesbian Wedding in Northern Kentucky.

 Yes, you read that correctly - a lesbian wedding at least a decade before all the recent talk about such events.  Very nice church and pastor were involved, very nice reception with over 150 people there.

Its the politicians in a state that are the problem - NOT the citizens or residents of a state.

Also, did any of you see what the mayor of Indianapolis said? He opposes the new bill and will do an executive order for the city of Indy that forbids discrimination....

- Ed C.

[Teazia]

This has been a very enjoyable thread (only up to page 20 so and need to go take care of other things).  It has been mostly civil as well which is rather surprising.  

Is it GLBT or LGBT?

[crkrueger]

Nothing really 'wrong' with Kentucky or the people that live there.

 Over 14 years ago I went to a Lesbian Wedding in Northern Kentucky.

 Yes, you read that correctly - a lesbian wedding at least a decade before all the recent talk about such events.  Very nice church and pastor were involved, very nice reception with over 150 people there.

Its the politicians in a state that are the problem - NOT the citizens or residents of a state.

Also, did any of you see what the mayor of Indianapolis said? He opposes the new bill and will do an executive order for the city of Indy that forbids discrimination....

- Ed C.

Gotta hand it to him, he stepped up and squared off publicly against Spence.

[Doctor Jest]

(and if NASCAR is looking down it's nose at you....where they hell are you?)

Seriously. When NASCAR and the NFL start thinking you need to dial it down a notch, that tells you something right there.

[Doctor Jest]

So, if Gen Con knew they were locked in a contract until 2020 and were not going to leave, then why make the empty threat? What else was motivating them?

The vain hope that people might care about the long term?

[Doctor Jest]

Connecticut jurisprudence follows federal on the question, both allowing a corporate person to bring RFRA claims.

The biggest difference in the law is that the CT version only requires a burden, not a substantial burden.

Please, try a little harder.

Connecticut has a long tradition of being at the forefront of protecting civil rights, as well as religious freedom; state law explicitly prohibits governmental entities from burdening the exercise of religion, while also protecting against discrimination, such as discrimination on the basis of sex, sexual orientation and gender identity or expression.
--Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy

[Doctor Jest]

You seriously think that's what's going to happen? This is all a dog and pony show. After Mike Pence's conference this morning, it was pretty obvious the press was just bored and looking for a sensationalist axe to grind. Arkansas passed something far harsher, to the sound of absolutely fucking nothing.

Nothing to see, folks.

It's already happening. Bans and boycotts are growing rapidly by both other states and many US corporations. So yes I believe its going to happen because I am not in denial of what is happening right now.

Heck, Angie's List canceled a 40 million dollar contract to build offices in Indiana already and that's almost the value of GenCon itself.

So why wouldn't I believe this will cost the state many millions of dollars? It already has. The question is, why don't you believe it in light of the facts?

[jeff37923]

It's conceivably possible that they just Cared So Much that they didn't really think about the costs of breaking the contract until later.

The vain hope that people might care about the long term?

I really really want to believe this.

But it's probably politics.

What I think as well. Just whose politics and to achieve what end, though?

[Bren]

No.  They did enact considerably wordier legislation for a reason.

We agree that they rewrote the legislation for a reason, which makes your continued insistence that the document is somehow exactly the same as the law in Connecticut...perplexing.

Its the politicians in a state that are the problem - NOT the citizens or residents of a state.

Somebody must be voting for those problem politicians else they would be unemployed politicians i.e. no longer much of a problem.

What I think as well. Just whose politics and to achieve what end, though?

Anti-gay, "marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman" lobbyists combined with Republican politicians in Indiana who want to appease their fundamentalist religious base for creation and passing of the new law. Politicians whose base favors gay marriage or opposes discrimination against GLBT folks for pposing or boycotting the law. Pretty much what one would expect of the various political factions.

[Doctor Jest]

Indiana business supports the law, says they will discriminate against gays, internet explodes
https://www.google.com/#safe=active&q=memories+pizza

[Rincewind1]

I am shocked, I tell you, shocked.

[Bren]

Indiana business supports the law, says they will discriminate against gays, internet explodes
https://www.google.com/#safe=active&q=memories+pizza

"That lifestyle is something they choose. I choose to be heterosexual. They choose to be homosexual. Why should I be beat over the head to go along with something they choose?" says Kevin O'Connor.

Presumably he tried both lifestyles on before choosing one. :rolleyes:

[Doctor Jest]

Presumably he tried both lifestyles on before choosing one. :rolleyes:

It's the only way to be sure.

But seriously I suspect an April fool. This is just too textbook. But watching the response either way is interesting.

[Brad]

It's already happening. Bans and boycotts are growing rapidly by both other states and many US corporations. So yes I believe its going to happen because I am not in denial of what is happening right now.

Heck, Angie's List canceled a 40 million dollar contract to build offices in Indiana already and that's almost the value of GenCon itself.

So why wouldn't I believe this will cost the state many millions of dollars? It already has. The question is, why don't you believe it in light of the facts?

Angie's List is currently under a major class-action lawsuit for fraud. They jumped on the "Fuck Indiana!" bandwagon for what appears to be a diversion.

So, yeah, believe what you want, this is just hyped up bullshit.