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Gen Con to Possibly Leave Indiana [politics]

Started by Just Another Snake Cult, March 25, 2015, 07:33:56 AM

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Spinachcat

#705
August 13, 2018, 12:08:14 AM
Early feminism, such as women voting and having equal rights under the law, benefited all women. It's important to separate the bizarro world of current internet feminism from its noble and worthwhile roots.

I agree the feminism preached on college campuses (microaggressions, identity politics, male gaze, etc) does nothing for poor and working class women. It's feminism for and by the latte sippers.

Omega

#706
August 13, 2018, 05:44:13 AM
Quote from: jeff37923;1052609Anita Sarkeesian was a scourge of only computer gaming. I know that I didn't think that she would mutate and jump species to infect tabletop gaming with her disease or that Gen Con would consider her for a GoH position.

She and her cronies moved from PC gaming to other venues sich as internet in general and was at the freaking United Nations and actually talked them into repealing certain internet rights before saner heads stepped in and said "Like hell". Shes gone after movies, and you can see her influence all over, and now shes gone after board and RPG gaming.

I was just recently watching a show and at the start was this advertisement about how "men are bad and turning men into women will just make them bad women." I kid you not.

Omega

#707
August 13, 2018, 06:21:48 AM
Quote from: Lurtch;1052696Femenisim is about making life eaiser for upper middle class and upper class women and harder for anybody else

A friend of mine who really hates feminists for some reason once said. "Its a bunch of dykes trying to turn me into their dyke slave so they can dictate my whole life."

Still no idea what set her off.

Omega

#708
August 13, 2018, 06:27:00 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1052705Early feminism, such as women voting and having equal rights under the law, benefited all women. It's important to separate the bizarro world of current internet feminism from its noble and worthwhile roots.

I agree the feminism preached on college campuses (microaggressions, identity politics, male gaze, etc) does nothing for poor and working class women. It's feminism for and by the latte sippers.

Womens rights is not necessarily feminism and over the decades its evolved into its current man hating state as the nuts take over as oft happens with movements.

And we have seen enough of these claims in the RPG industry that women arent there when from nearly the get-go women have been there especially on the art side and eventually a woman OWNED the biggest RPG company ever. Nut no no. none of that ever happened and we must un-oppress the women! Depending on how much damage anita did at GenCon things could get worse. We'll see what she does after.

GeekEclectic

#709
August 13, 2018, 07:06:04 AM
Quote from: Omega;1052719I was just recently watching a show and at the start was this advertisement about how "men are bad and turning men into women will just make them bad women." I kid you not.
I've seen that Prager U ad. It's essentially the antithesis of Sarkeesian(and her ilk)'s message. It was actually saying that men are not bad(specifically that masculinity isn't inherently bad), and that when they are, it's not because of their masculinity.
"I despise weak men in positions of power, and that's 95% of game industry leadership." - Jessica Price
"Isnt that why RPGs companies are so woke in the first place?" - Godsmonkey
*insert Disaster Girl meme here* - Me

Mordred Pendragon

#710
August 13, 2018, 10:20:52 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1052705Early feminism, such as women voting and having equal rights under the law, benefited all women. It's important to separate the bizarro world of current internet feminism from its noble and worthwhile roots.

I agree the feminism preached on college campuses (microaggressions, identity politics, male gaze, etc) does nothing for poor and working class women. It's feminism for and by the latte sippers.

Exactly!

First and Second Wave Feminism were wonderful things, it's this new wave of internet college kid feminism that is a toxic ideology and a disgrace to the old-school feminists who did a lot of good for women of all backgrounds.
Sic Semper Tyrannis

Omega

#711
August 13, 2018, 07:31:49 PM
Quote from: GeekEclectic;1052724I've seen that Prager U ad. It's essentially the antithesis of Sarkeesian(and her ilk)'s message. It was actually saying that men are not bad(specifically that masculinity isn't inherently bad), and that when they are, it's not because of their masculinity.

Assuming its the same one then the way it was presented made it look like anything but that. There was still the strong emphasis on "Men are Bad".

Warboss Squee

#712
August 13, 2018, 08:20:23 PM
Quote from: Omega;1052789Assuming its the same one then the way it was presented made it look like anything but that. There was still the strong emphasis on "Men are Bad".

I've seen it. It takes a while to realize they're trying to make a point and not been devoured by the brain eatet.

GeekEclectic

#713
August 13, 2018, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: Omega;1052789Assuming its the same one then the way it was presented made it look like anything but that. There was still the strong emphasis on "Men are Bad".
Is this it? It has its setup, then the twist at the 22-second mark. I don't agree with everything PragerU puts out, as they're traditionally conservative whereas I am extremely libertarian, but anything that counters the "men are bad because of their masculinity" message is a breath of fresh air in my book.
"I despise weak men in positions of power, and that's 95% of game industry leadership." - Jessica Price
"Isnt that why RPGs companies are so woke in the first place?" - Godsmonkey
*insert Disaster Girl meme here* - Me

Opaopajr

#714
August 14, 2018, 11:03:01 PM
Self-righteousness is a hell of a drug. And unlike other drugs, it can run on the fumes of its own waste byproduct of dysfunction & destroyed lives. :)
Just make your fuckin\' guy and roll the dice, you pricks. Focus on what\'s interesting, not what gives you the biggest randomly generated virtual penis.  -- J Arcane
 
You know, people keep comparing non-TSR D&D to deck-building in Magic: the Gathering. But maybe it\'s more like Katamari Damacy. You keep sticking shit on your characters until they are big enough to be a star.
-- talysman

Omega

#715
August 16, 2018, 11:00:47 AM
Quote from: GeekEclectic;1052806Is this it? It has its setup, then the twist at the 22-second mark. I don't agree with everything PragerU puts out, as they're traditionally conservative whereas I am extremely libertarian, but anything that counters the "men are bad because of their masculinity" message is a breath of fresh air in my book.

No. Different woman but starts off much the same. But darker in shading. Less effects. Shorter too I think? If it pops up again I'll try to pin who made it.
Thanks for pointing this one out though.

Delete_me

#716
August 21, 2018, 02:09:36 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1052705Early feminism, such as women voting and having equal rights under the law, benefited all women. It's important to separate the bizarro world of current internet feminism from its noble and worthwhile roots.

I agree the feminism preached on college campuses (microaggressions, identity politics, male gaze, etc) does nothing for poor and working class women. It's feminism for and by the latte sippers.

Mona Charen makes almost that exact same argument. (Link goes to a Q&A with her that's mostly about her criticism of modern feminism.)

tenbones

#717
August 23, 2018, 11:41:49 AM
Once a movement achieves its ends, it's often become an institution at that point. Then the institution needs to perpetuate itself... by any means necessary, including becoming worse than the things you originally opposed.

S'mon

#718
August 23, 2018, 11:54:33 AM
I'm not sure what first-wave Feminism did that was supported by all or nearly all women of the era. Female suffrage certainly wasn't as far as I can tell. I would think Feminism has always benefited only a minority of women; its main beneficiaries were the corporations, who benefit from a larger labour pool, and the expanding state bureaucracies, who have more to do and more people to do it.

Spinachcat

#719
August 24, 2018, 02:51:56 AM
Classic Feminism's goals - equal voting rights, equal pay for equal work, equal rights under the law, ability to run for office, real rape victims not blamed for being attacked, etc - were very valuable to all women.

However, its true the corporations benefited from the larger labor pool to drive down wages and state bureaucracies were significantly expanded in response.

The Law of Unintended Consequences is a law for a reason!
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