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Game developer commits suicide after Zoe Quinn accusations

Started by Trond, September 01, 2019, 01:11:44 PM

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GeekyBugle

Quote from: jhkim;1105844I'll try to clarify my point by breaking it down.

1) Tait's suggestion is to apply blacklisting to those who do blacklists. I'm going to call this strategy "counter-blacklisting".

2) An important point is to ask what the result of the counter-blacklisting will be in the future. Will people really learn their lesson?

3) To inform on point #2, we can look at the past. Have there been times in the past when people been blacklisted, and they turned around and tried to blacklist those opposed to them?

4) An example of #3 in the past is LGBT people and allies. LGBT people were often blacklisted particularly in the 1980s and earlier (as well as later to a fair degree). There was a segment among who thought "We should blacklist those who are trying to blacklist us."  This is the counter-blacklist strategy.

5) I believe the result of this counter-blacklist strategy is more blacklisting in general, not people reflecting that blacklisting was a bad idea.

Does that clarify?

Okey, now I understand your position, and you might be right or not I see no way to destroy cancel culture other than to have them live under it. It's that or to lose like a gentleman. Guess we'll get to find out who was right.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

GeekyBugle

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1105860Expanding...

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind...

If my in-group mistreats you while we're in power, it seems likely that you'll mistreat us when you're in power.  If I return to power I'll want to revenge myself upon you when you were just revenging yourself upon me.  This is especially problematic if the people now being persecuted aren't really the ones who started the whole issue.  

If I mistreat you and you later wind up in power, rather than revenge, you should look for justice.  That doesn't just mean punishing the people who did bad things, it also means tearing down the structures they built to ensure their continued rule - not just turning them against their former masters.

So everything the commies are doing right now around the world? Because not one of you is a liberal, not when you believe in intersectionality and it's logical conclusion identity politics.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Warboss Squee

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1105860Expanding...

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind...

If my in-group mistreats you while we're in power, it seems likely that you'll mistreat us when you're in power.  If I return to power I'll want to revenge myself upon you when you were just revenging yourself upon me.  This is especially problematic if the people now being persecuted aren't really the ones who started the whole issue.  

If I mistreat you and you later wind up in power, rather than revenge, you should look for justice.  That doesn't just mean punishing the people who did bad things, it also means tearing down the structures they built to ensure their continued rule - not just turning them against their former masters.

Or maybe you're a bunch of douchebags projecting your flaws and insecurities on everyone else.

Ratman_tf

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1105861Okey, now I understand your position, and you might be right or not I see no way to destroy cancel culture other than to have them live under it. It's that or to lose like a gentleman. Guess we'll get to find out who was right.

Thankfully there's a third alternative. Tell the wokescolds to fuck off, and let them devour each other.
It's a slow road, but full of little victories that add up over time.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1105866Thankfully there's a third alternative. Tell the wokescolds to fuck off, and let them devour each other.
It's a slow road, but full of little victories that add up over time.

So make them live under their own rules? The easiest way is to help them devour each other, something they seem eager to do and that will enjoy doing.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Warboss Squee

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1105866Thankfully there's a third alternative. Tell the wokescolds to fuck off, and let them devour each other.
It's a slow road, but full of little victories that add up over time.

Sure. We can watch the fires starve each other of oxygen. After burning down everything we like and care about.

Or we can start stomping out the fires when they're small. Before they become conflagrations.

Pat

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1105818For a more comprehensive analysis of religious affiliation in Congress, try this link.  

Again, for clarity, I'm not saying that it is a problem, just that some people might think it is.  I generally don't think that rich people always think about how their policies affect the poor - if you're rich enough, it's hard to even relate to the types of things poor people deal with.

There are a lot of stories of clueless rich people.
On second glance, the first link you provided is pretty, but the data is absolute garbage. I added up the all the different religious categories, including non-religious, and it comes out to 492, which is not even close to the correct number of members of Congress. The second link does up add up to the correct number, and the breakdown is significantly different. And it's not because new information came to light, because the first link was more recently updated.

I agree on the rich people problem. Pelosi talking about how "free riders" (i.e the working poor) are ruining healthcare for everyone else made me hate her forever.

Ratman_tf

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1105867So make them live under their own rules? The easiest way is to help them devour each other, something they seem eager to do and that will enjoy doing.

Rather, let them sleep in the beds they made for themselves.
The important thing is to just keep on keeping on. Provide an alternate point of view, and a place where people can voice their dissent.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1105871Sure. We can watch the fires starve each other of oxygen. After burning down everything we like and care about.

Or we can start stomping out the fires when they're small. Before they become conflagrations.

Barn doors and horses and all that.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Spinachcat

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1105871Or we can start stomping out the fires when they're small. Before they become conflagrations.

Far too late for that option, but its the right idea in hindsight.


Quote from: deadDMwalking;1105860An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind...

Exactly.

This is why we need to embrace "The Chicago Way" .

Unless those standing against the SJW bullshit gets the balls to unleash utter devastation upon the lives of their enemies, they will lose the culture war.

Gagarth

#189
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1105731It's equally true that, regardless of political spectrum, people don't like to hear people who don't agree with them.  

While some on the left may argue for 'de-platforming', the people that the right generally don't want to hear have NEVER HAD A PLATFORM historically.  The right tends to be for the 'status-quo', so keeping things as they are generally means making it hard for new voices to be heard.

Because NEVER HAD a PLATFORM is bullshit. What is really meant by NEVER HAD A PLATFORM is really WE (and our quisling allies)
 WANT TO CONTROL EVERYTHING.

[video=youtube;3vDWWy4CMhE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vDWWy4CMhE[/youtube]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octaviano_Ambrosio_Larrazolo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicano_Movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP

Some more of the platformless people

[video=youtube;CgXOCQ7pHdE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=CgXOCQ7pHdE[/youtube]
'Don't join us. Work hard, get good degrees, join the Establishment and serve our cause from within.' Harry Pollitt - Communist Party GB

"Don't worry about the election, Trump's not gonna win. I made f*cking sure of that!" Eric Coomer -  Dominion Voting Systems Officer of Strategy and Security

Ratman_tf

Quote from: Spinachcat;1105905Far too late for that option, but its the right idea in hindsight.




Exactly.

This is why we need to embrace "The Chicago Way" .

Unless those standing against the SJW bullshit gets the balls to unleash utter devastation upon the lives of their enemies, they will lose the culture war.

I empathize, but are you seriously reccomending killing SJWs? Because that's where the idea leads. They escalate, we escalate. Last one standing wins.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1105938I empathize, but are you seriously reccomending killing SJWs? Because that's where the idea leads. They escalate, we escalate. Last one standing wins.

Use their wokeness against them, make them eat each other, make them Reeeeeeeeeee over stupid shit. The first dwindles their number and distracts their energy inwards, the second helps make people realize just how fucking crazy and evil they are.

Or in short, make them live under their own rules.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Trond

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1105946Use their wokeness against them, make them eat each other, make them Reeeeeeeeeee over stupid shit. The first dwindles their number and distracts their energy inwards, the second helps make people realize just how fucking crazy and evil they are.

Or in short, make them live under their own rules.

Well, Sarah Silverman certainly got a taste of that
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/entertainment/sarah-silverman-blackface-scli-intl/index.html

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Trond;1105960Well, Sarah Silverman certainly got a taste of that
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/entertainment/sarah-silverman-blackface-scli-intl/index.html

Not the first or the last, and I'm happy to help them find the impure among their ranks.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

GeekyBugle

Why would anybody say the poundmetoo movement ruins innocent lives?


 [video=youtube;NAKKzxZkGJE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAKKzxZkGJE[/youtube]
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell