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Author Topic: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"  (Read 1279 times)

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https://www.newsweek.com/macron-france-reject-american-woke-culture-thats-racializing-their-country-1634706

Does this mean "Freedom fries" will return to be called "French fries"?

One thing I find interesting is that the french thinks that the woke makes the problems worse by racializing disparities, creating a divide instead of working together to solve the issues.

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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2021, 02:09:21 PM »
Hypocritical considering that Wokeness started with Postmodernism, with FRENCH assholes like Foucault and Derrida, working from a tradition of absolute Shit-for-brains French Social Philosophy dating all the way back to Jean-Jacques "Claimed Man is Inherently Good But Abandoned His Own Children To Die As Starving Orphans" Rousseau.

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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2021, 02:37:45 PM »
Hypocritical considering that Wokeness started with Postmodernism, with FRENCH assholes like Foucault and Derrida, working from a tradition of absolute Shit-for-brains French Social Philosophy dating all the way back to Jean-Jacques "Claimed Man is Inherently Good But Abandoned His Own Children To Die As Starving Orphans" Rousseau.
I was gonna say just that.
But its pretty common for the woke older generation to be terrified of the radicalized younger generation, so it fits.  ;D

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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2021, 02:43:56 PM »
But does it really? What steps has France taken to reject Woke violence & intimidation? None? Okay then.

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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2021, 03:48:30 PM »
Hypocritical considering that Wokeness started with Postmodernism, with FRENCH assholes like Foucault and Derrida, working from a tradition of absolute Shit-for-brains French Social Philosophy dating all the way back to Jean-Jacques "Claimed Man is Inherently Good But Abandoned His Own Children To Die As Starving Orphans" Rousseau.

Maybe having tried it before is the very reason why now they are saying "Just no, thanks."

I lived and worked a lot in France, in Paris, from 2011 to COVID (I hope to resume next year). For a few years I even had a French girlfriend - actually from Russia, so we joked that our relationship reminded a bit of a LeCarre novel (she loved reading) :D. I can't remember to have encountered serious episodes of Wokeness - not with the kind of rage and stupidity typical of the English speaking World. Dunno from 2020 onward.

Regarding this article, there is nothing in it that Haidt himself (and others) didn't write on their books or said in their conferences (*). Actually, the French intellectuals mentioned here are bordering plagiarism of the general criticism of Wokeness coming from disparate sectors as disparate as atheists, Christians, Socialists and this very site. It is, at the very least, nice to see that there is awareness of the dangers of going too far.

BTW,

A few miles from where U.S. soldiers landed on the beaches of Normandy, a conference of leading politicians, journalists and intellectuals devoted a panel to "America's woke ideology."

...can also be written as:

"A few miles from where soldiers from the country France helped to gain its independence landed on the beaches of Normandy..."

I can understand the theet-gnashing by the US MSM, but sinking into ridicule won't help.

(*) For an example where Haidt and a Rabbi scholar nuked two very confused, mantra sprouting youngsters without even trying, don't go further that this panel: it is illuminating.

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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2021, 06:02:27 PM »

BTW,

A few miles from where U.S. soldiers landed on the beaches of Normandy, a conference of leading politicians, journalists and intellectuals devoted a panel to "America's woke ideology."

...can also be written as:

"A few miles from where soldiers from the country France helped to gain its independence landed on the beaches of Normandy..."

I can understand the theet-gnashing by the US MSM, but sinking into ridicule won't help.

It could only be written that way by someone who knows no history.  The French military forces were inconsequential in the Normandy invasion (and in the liberation of France, really).  I believe the relevant quote by Patton is "I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." 

Of course, the paragraph could have been written as, "A few miles from where soldiers landed on the beaches of Normandy to drive off the occupying forces of the Axis Powers, devotees of an evil ideology called fascism that first took root in Italy and then spread to Germany..."   That would be at least as accurate as your revision, if not more so...

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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2021, 06:16:43 PM »

BTW,

A few miles from where U.S. soldiers landed on the beaches of Normandy, a conference of leading politicians, journalists and intellectuals devoted a panel to "America's woke ideology."

...can also be written as:

"A few miles from where soldiers from the country France helped to gain its independence landed on the beaches of Normandy..."

I can understand the theet-gnashing by the US MSM, but sinking into ridicule won't help.

It could only be written that way by someone who knows no history.

Either that, or someone else hasn't a clue about 1775 and what the French were doing at that time.
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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2021, 06:45:54 PM »

BTW,

A few miles from where U.S. soldiers landed on the beaches of Normandy, a conference of leading politicians, journalists and intellectuals devoted a panel to "America's woke ideology."

...can also be written as:

"A few miles from where soldiers from the country France helped to gain its independence landed on the beaches of Normandy..."

I can understand the theet-gnashing by the US MSM, but sinking into ridicule won't help.

It could only be written that way by someone who knows no history.

Either that, or someone else hasn't a clue about 1775 and what the French were doing at that time.
False.  What the French were doing in 1775 has very little to do with he relationships between these countries today.  Sadly, WWII has just as little to do with it as well...

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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2021, 06:51:30 PM »

BTW,

A few miles from where U.S. soldiers landed on the beaches of Normandy, a conference of leading politicians, journalists and intellectuals devoted a panel to "America's woke ideology."

...can also be written as:

"A few miles from where soldiers from the country France helped to gain its independence landed on the beaches of Normandy..."

I can understand the theet-gnashing by the US MSM, but sinking into ridicule won't help.

It could only be written that way by someone who knows no history.

Either that, or someone else hasn't a clue about 1775 and what the French were doing at that time.
False.  What the French were doing in 1775 has very little to do with he relationships between these countries today.  Sadly, WWII has just as little to do with it as well...

I'm happy to see that you grasped why Newsweek ridiculed itself on the first attempt.
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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2021, 12:44:05 PM »
Hypocritical considering that Wokeness started with Postmodernism, with FRENCH assholes like Foucault and Derrida, working from a tradition of absolute Shit-for-brains French Social Philosophy dating all the way back to Jean-Jacques "Claimed Man is Inherently Good But Abandoned His Own Children To Die As Starving Orphans" Rousseau.
So what? Nobody should be locked into the opinions of their countrymen, especially when it concerns movements from the past. Hypocrisy is different from growth and change.

The French have long had a strong national identity. The woke want to fracture common identities into 1000s of tribes. I side with the French here.

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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2021, 12:45:11 PM »
Guess not all common sense is lost.
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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2021, 12:51:51 PM »
Guess not all common sense is lost.

Not to mention how the linked article about what the French think about wokeness is basically a litany of what you can read here daily.

If that magazine has an online version, I think I'll buy this issue.
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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2021, 03:04:09 AM »
(*) For an example where Haidt and a Rabbi scholar nuked two very confused, mantra sprouting youngsters without even trying, don't go further that this panel: it is illuminating.

Do you think that they got the youngsters on purpose as an example of the problems with Gen-Z?

Also I particularly like how the argument for bringing back safe spaces where minorities can gather means that gentlemans clubs are now back.
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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2021, 01:44:18 PM »
(*) For an example where Haidt and a Rabbi scholar nuked two very confused, mantra sprouting youngsters without even trying, don't go further that this panel: it is illuminating.

Do you think that they got the youngsters on purpose as an example of the problems with Gen-Z?

I think that those two youngsters were eager to "engage in debate and defend their ideology" - which is all they needed to inspire ridicule.

Also, if you follow closely the debate, you see how there is no debate at all. Both Haidt and the Rabbi are actually trying to be helpful via some basic data and common sense. It is the youngsters who automatically feel "threatened", thus ending up digging their own grave.
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Re: France rejects "woke" culture. Claiming it is Americas worst "export"
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2021, 09:43:50 PM »
I feel (not) bad for these businesses when wokeness goes outta style. Hopefully they’re denied chapter 11 and just disappear. Ah, one can only dream…
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