A federal agency held a re-education camp for white male employees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn9ORyc6sgg&t=9s
What is it like to complete anti-racist training at work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjbQ8aSYkPg
WTF? Totally unacceptable that our tax dollars are paying for this crap, but not surprising. Segregating people based on gender and skin color for special training? If only there was a term for that...
I agree that the training looks dumb and shouldn't have been done.
That said, calling this literal brainwashing is still gross hyperbole. Even Rufo doesn't claim that. What he says is, "I think if you looked at interrogation techniques and brainwashing techniques, there might be some good parallels." Adult executives taking a class at a luxury hotel is not in any way the same as prisoners-of-war being interrogated with torture like sleep deprivation. Sitting through a class you disagree with may be annoying, but it isn't mind control or torture -- especially for functioning adults.
Quote from: jhkim;1145419I agree that the training looks dumb and shouldn't have been done.
That said,
Maybe you should have quit while you were ahead.
Quotecalling this literal brainwashing is still gross hyperbole. Even Rufo doesn't claim that. What he says is, "I think if you looked at interrogation techniques and brainwashing techniques, there might be some good parallels." Adult executives taking a class at a luxury hotel is not in any way the same as prisoners-of-war being interrogated with torture like sleep deprivation. Sitting through a class you disagree with may be annoying, but it isn't mind control or torture -- especially for functioning adults.
This is exactly like the kind of cult brainwashing used by, notorious example, Scientology. This is literal brainwashing of the social justice flavor of kafkatrapping people into confessing their "white fragility". Trying assert that brainwashing is defined by wartime torture is misleading deflection.
Lemme put it this way.
If my company tried to put me through that, the EEOC complaint would hit them so hard their grandkids would feel it.
Quote from: jhkim;1145419I agree that the training looks dumb and shouldn't have been done.
That said, calling this literal brainwashing is still gross hyperbole. Even Rufo doesn't claim that. What he says is, "I think if you looked at interrogation techniques and brainwashing techniques, there might be some good parallels." Adult executives taking a class at a luxury hotel is not in any way the same as prisoners-of-war being interrogated with torture like sleep deprivation. Sitting through a class you disagree with may be annoying, but it isn't mind control or torture -- especially for functioning adults.
You don't need literal torture to get brainwashed.
Quote from: Trond;1145564You don't need literal torture to get brainwashed.
I wonder if the stress and fear of loosing your job/having your life ruined if you refuse to attend or resist the indoctrination don't count as mental torture...
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1145567I wonder if the stress and fear of loosing your job/having your life ruined if you refuse to attend or resist the indoctrination don't count as mental torture...
Those things absolutely do count as mental torture.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1145567I wonder if the stress and fear of loosing your job/having your life ruined if you refuse to attend or resist the indoctrination don't count as mental torture...
Quote from: RandyB;1145568Those things absolutely do count as mental torture.
By this logic, *any* mandatory training counts as torture and brainwashing. Hell, any required job behavior is brainwashing, because you're being forced against your will to do things you otherwise wouldn't. Bankers are brainwashed into wearing suits.
If I got paid the same daily salary as those executives and put up in a luxury hotel like they were, I'd gladly go through an equivalent class in social conservatism. It's nonsensical to think fear that I'd come out brainwashed. The only question is whether it was worth the annoyance factor.
People put up with stupid shit to get/keep a job. This isn't new even if the flavor of stupidity has changed.
Quote from: jhkim;1145579By this logic, *any* mandatory training counts as torture and brainwashing. Hell, any required job behavior is brainwashing, because you're being forced against your will to do things you otherwise wouldn't. Bankers are brainwashed into wearing suits.
If I got paid the same daily salary as those executives and put up in a luxury hotel like they were, I'd gladly go through an equivalent class in social conservatism. It's nonsensical to think fear that I'd come out brainwashed. The only question is whether it was worth the annoyance factor.
How about if the training was on how to discriminate against black people? Would you be A-OK with sitting through the training you didn't agree with?
Quote from: jhkim;1145579By this logic, *any* mandatory training counts as torture and brainwashing. Hell, any required job behavior is brainwashing, because you're being forced against your will to do things you otherwise wouldn't. Bankers are brainwashed into wearing suits.
If I got paid the same daily salary as those executives and put up in a luxury hotel like they were, I'd gladly go through an equivalent class in social conservatism. It's nonsensical to think fear that I'd come out brainwashed. The only question is whether it was worth the annoyance factor.
Mandatory training doesn't usually include teaching you what a bad person you are because of your sex/sexuality or skin color does it?
Calling this cult indoctrination mandatory training is disingenuous.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1145592How about if the training was on how to discriminate against black people? Would you be A-OK with sitting through the training you didn't agree with?
Or how {insert "oppressed" group here} are bad because of their {insert immutable characteristic here}?
If I was being paid to attend, at no cost to me? I'd show up, eat the food, and drink the coffee.
If they asked me any silly questions, I'd give them some silly answers.
I'd attend...record everything...send it to my lawyer.
Then, browse for my new beach house on Zillow.
I have some close and trusted contacts in a federal agency. They've had annual trainings of the worst sort since the late 90s. Here are three of my favorite nuggets:
- dolls of white men in suits handed around in circle groups so that when you feel a need, you can punch them
- shouting matches because during the Native American sensitivity training, Black employees would keep trying to divert every item to the Black American experience, causing the Native American employees to finally flip out
- "words as violence", because you might say something that sets someone off and well, if you are a white male you instigated it
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1145610Or how {insert "oppressed" group here} are bad because of their {insert immutable characteristic here}?
Way to put a fine point on it! :D
But yeah, this round of "anti-racism" training is about how white people are inherently racist. Being led by a self-proclaimed racist who earns thousands of dollars to tell white people they're racist and if they deny it it proves they're racist.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/15/magazine/white-fragility-robin-diangelo.html
https://www.ratburger.org/index.php/2020/07/09/karlyn-read-white-fragility-so-you-dont-have-to/
This shit is a kafkatrap and we're all in the midst of a social panic like the satanic panic of the 80's.
So, the first open Rightthink trainings have started. Yeah, this is gonna be interesting. This is testing the waters in how far they can take it. Seeing it as stupid work related idiocy would be fine if it wasnt in todays social western climate that is skewing in a very bad direction. Small steps first and later bigger steps follow.
Quote from: Razor 007;1145616If I was being paid to attend, at no cost to me? I'd show up, eat the food, and drink the coffee.
If they asked me any silly questions, I'd give them some silly answers.
These are the words of someone that knows how to keep a job.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1145646These are the words of someone that knows how to keep a job.
If I have to denigrate myself due to an immutable characteristic in order to keep my job, then is it really worth keeping?
Quote from: jeff37923;1145657If I have to denigrate myself due to an immutable characteristic in order to keep my job, then is it really worth keeping?
Master: get to the training camp boy
White dude: oh yessa massa I gon be a gud cracka
Roughly translating from the Spanish saying my father taught me: It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Quote from: Razor 007;1145616If I was being paid to attend, at no cost to me? I'd show up, eat the food, and drink the coffee.
If they asked me any silly questions, I'd give them some silly answers.
I'd probably feel forced to do the same, particularly since I am on renewable contracts. But I'm not sure if that is the right thing to do. This shit has gone far enough. I also would not want my peers to think that I actually support it, because that could further spread the idea that others who are skeptical are completely alone.
In case you haven't noticed; a lot of people now take the "white man evil" thing seriously.
It's come through lots of media as well. I guess it started way back with some writers and filmmakers and others presenting views like the effects of the depradations of our own culture or "the indians weren't all bad" (something most people already knew) or "foreign cultures can be fascinating". But that has grown to a constant drone of white=bad and being unable to ever say something mildly critical of other cultures.
Quote from: Trond;1145689I'd probably feel forced to do the same, particularly since I am on renewable contracts. But I'm not sure if that is the right thing to do. This shit has gone far enough. I also would not want my peers to think that I actually support it, because that could further spread the idea that others who are skeptical are completely alone.
In case you haven't noticed; a lot of people now take the "white man evil" thing seriously.
It's come through lots of media as well. I guess it started way back with some writers and filmmakers and others presenting views like the effects of the depradations of our own culture or "the indians weren't all bad" (something most people already knew) or "foreign cultures can be fascinating". But that has grown to a constant drone of white=bad and being unable to ever say something mildly critical of other cultures.
If you don't stand up now because of fear or "it's not that big of a deal", just imagine what it will be like in 5-10 years from now.
Why do you think they want to ban from the internet any critical voice of their cult?
Mob mentality and critical mass. But in a virtuous way:
At first there's silence and nobody speaks against it.
Then one voice says "The emperor has no clothes!"
Most people try to ignore it
Then other voices join in the chorus "The emperor has no clothes!"
Now they need to do something, since they can't debate they try and silence the more prominent voices, the Streissand effect isn't their friend.
More and more voices speak, until it becomes okay to say "The emperor has no clothes!"
This already happened once in my life time with criticism of religion.
Why can't we criticize this new religion?
Quote from: jeff37923;1145657If I have to denigrate myself due to an immutable characteristic in order to keep my job, then is it really worth keeping?
If anyone here won't (or can't) submit, here's some things to consider:
1) Federal law exempts businesses with less than 14 employees from all the shenanigans.
2) There are lots of ups & downs to owning a small business. But at a certain point, being a wage slave comes with too high of a price tag (such as harm to your peace of mind and quality of life). Upon that day, the downs of self-employment become neutral by comparison.
3) Owning your own business is the most realistic path to the American Dream.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1145685It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
I prefer General Patton's solution. Let's make the other guy die.
If I must bend my knee, it will be to stabilize my firing position.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1145768I prefer General Patton's solution. Let's make the other guy die.
If I must bend my knee, it will be to stabilize my firing position.
Yes, let's be a dumb fuck and make fighting slogans about workplace HR shit. Everything is all about dying and fighting for your rights. Good lord, just shut the fuck up and do the job you useless piece of shit, or are you too much of a snowflake that you can't hold your fucking tongue for 40 hours/week? Or do you just have to raise your fist and shake it in protest like all those you claim to hate?
Quote from: HappyDaze;1145794Yes, let's be a dumb fuck and make fighting slogans about workplace HR shit.
This isn't just "workplace HR shit", you racist goon. If you're going to let racism slide, but berate people for hyperbole on a message board, I think your priorites are out of whack.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1145868This isn't just "workplace HR shit", you racist goon. If you're going to let racism slide, but berate people for hyperbole on a message board, I think your priorites are out of whack.
Greetings!
Fucking ON POINT, Ratman! Outstanding commentary. Racism against people--including fucking racist policies and "trainings" against white people is absolutely worth getting angry and fired up about!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK;1145892Greetings!
Fucking ON POINT, Ratman! Outstanding commentary. Racism against people--including fucking racist policies and "trainings" against white people is absolutely worth getting angry and fired up about!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
But is it worth getting angry and fired about?
Regardless, you're a dumbass if this kind of thing takes you to violence, but...you are a dumbass, so...
Quote from: HappyDaze;1145900But is it worth getting angry and fired about?
Regardless, you're a dumbass if this kind of thing takes you to violence, but...you are a dumbass, so...
Greetings!
Really, HappyDaze? You know, before the last few weeks of your transition, I thought you were pretty intelligent, cool, and nice.
Since then, you have become an obnoxious, hostile fuckstick and an abrasive, rude asshole.
Get fucked, jackass.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK;1145904Greetings!
Really, HappyDaze? You know, before the last few weeks of your transition, I thought you were pretty intelligent, cool, and nice.
Since then, you have become an obnoxious, hostile fuckstick and an abrasive, rude asshole.
Get fucked, jackass.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Oh Sharkypuss, you say such kind things. You calling someone else abrasive, obnoxious, and hostile is hilarious. Self-reflect much, asshole? You spout your hateful shit and try to thump your chest like some kind of a hero, but you're a pathetic little man-child that only spouts that shit here where it's accepted. In the real world, not so much, I think. So go whaah whaah to your momma, cuz your tough guy routine is horseshit.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1145908Oh Sharkypuss, you say such kind things. You calling someone else abrasive, obnoxious, and hostile is hilarious. Self-reflect much, asshole? You spout your hateful shit and try to thump your chest like some kind of a hero, but you're a pathetic little man-child that only spouts that shit here where it's accepted. In the real world, not so much, I think. So go whaah whaah to your momma, cuz your tough guy routine is horseshit.
Greetings!
*Laughing* Yeah, jackass, I freely express myself in public as well as here. I've noticed that many people in the real world agree with me entirely! Lots of veterans, law enforcement officers, and patriots in general agree with me on everything I believe in.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK;1145911Greetings!
*Laughing* Yeah, jackass, I freely express myself in public as well as here. I've noticed that many people in the real world agree with me entirely! Lots of veterans, law enforcement officers, and patriots in general agree with me on everything I believe in.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Like I said elsewhere, put the butthurt bitch on ignore hermano, it is thirsty for attention don't give it to it.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1145916Like I said elsewhere, put the butthurt bitch on ignore hermano, it is thirsty for attention don't give it to it.
Greetings!
Indeed. Thank you Hermano! I know you want to help me have fun and preserve my sanity!:D I have never used the ignore feature, in all the years I have been a member here.
You have encouraged me and I have seen the wisdom, my friend. HappyDaze is a fucking moron and a waste of time. Fuck him. He's fucking done.
MOAB falls from the sky....
BOOM!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK;1145918Greetings!
Indeed. Thank you Hermano! I know you want to help me have fun and preserve my sanity!:D I have never used the ignore feature, in all the years I have been a member here.
You have encouraged me and I have seen the wisdom, my friend. HappyDaze is a fucking moron and a waste of time. Fuck him. He's fucking done.
MOAB falls from the sky....
BOOM!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
And (if I would read his tripe) he will now claim you're threatening his life by threatening to drop a MOAB on him... :D
Quote from: HappyDaze;1145900But is it worth getting angry and fired about?
Yes, a company promoting racism is worth getting angry about.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1145920And (if I would read his tripe) he will now claim you're threatening his life by threatening to drop a MOAB on him... :D
Greetings!
Yeah, HappyDaze somehow thinks that I am a traitor--because I stand against BLM and Antifa, both of which are Marxist organizations. And Domestic Terrorists, as well, by any reasonable definition.
I know there are many Americans--and people around the world, like you my Hermano, in Mexico!--that believe that BLM and Antifa should be crushed. People everywhere need to stand up against them, resist them, and oppose them in every way possible.
Police need to curb-stomp the fuck out of them, and arrest them, and put them all in prison for treason, sedition, rioting, arson, murder, assault, vandalism, and many other crimes.
At patriotic rallies, when such terrorists become violent and threatening, well, good people have the right and sacred duty to defend themselves, crush these fucking bastards, and shoot them as well, like several patriots across the country have already done, like in Austin, Texas, and the beat down Antifa got in Ft. Collins, Colorado, and like the BLM fuckers nearly got torn to pieces by American bikers at the Sturgis rally in Sturgis, SD. These scum want violence? They think they are tough? They can step the fuck up and find out! FIND OUT!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK;1145927by any reasonable definition
Remember folks, these words are meaningless when they come from SHARK unless you buy into his delusions.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1145926Yes, a company promoting racism is worth getting angry about.
The Goodyear one was pretty good: No political badges except the ones that we support.
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1145926Yes, a company promoting racism is worth getting angry about.
If your liberty and dignity aren't worth getting fired for then what is?
Does anyone still think criticism will work as it once did? Not really talking about this thread. (Although I think it illustrates the point)
Once positions have diverged sufficiently that the other sides opinion isn't valued, criticism is just fuel.
When the Venn diagram doesn't mostly overlap, what is the meeting point?
For those who advocate peaceful words, what does the final bargain look like? The difference between advocating peace and advocating capitulation is a bargain. So what, exactly, does the future look in the minds of those advocating less confrontational rhetoric? How is the status quo changed from today?
Or is it just that any result is ok so long as conflict is avoided?
Quote from: EOTB;1145952Does anyone still think criticism will work as it once did? Not really talking about this thread. (Although I think it illustrates the point)
Once positions have diverged sufficiently that the other sides opinion isn't valued, criticism is just fuel.
When the Venn diagram doesn't mostly overlap, what is the meeting point?
For those who advocate peaceful words, what does the final bargain look like? The difference between advocating peace and advocating capitulation is a bargain. So what, exactly, does the future look in the minds of those advocating less confrontational rhetoric? How is the status quo changed from today?
Or is it just that any result is ok so long as conflict is avoided?
I don't know what is next. Anthropology and history would indicate that wars and conflicts, as horrific as they are, help reset civilizations. But the next great war may very well be our last and this planet may not survive it.
People today have lost perspective. For at least 20 years our colleges have become bastions of socialism and hate for this country. They always eat their own. We just have to hope it happens fast enough.
Btw, I start my mandatory training on Monday. Should be fucking fantastic. I scored a near perfect on my unconscious bias evaluation, so I guess I have that going for me as I likely made my company's modern-day Schindler's list.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1145794Good lord, just shut the fuck up and do the job you useless piece of shit, or are you too much of a snowflake that you can't hold your fucking tongue for 40 hours/week? Or do you just have to raise your fist and shake it in protest like all those you claim to hate?
You are 100,000% right that I can't hold my fucking tongue for 40 hours/week!!
I've burnt several high paying jobs because I won't tolerate bullshit, but I can do that because of my hard earned skills are always in demand. My father took lots of shit at work mostly because he didn't realize the true market value of his talents.
But I don't shake fists or protest. I just tell bad bosses to fuck off and walk out. When I got tired of the churn of finding new jobs and bonfiring the bridges, I went into business for myself where I happily fire clients.
To me, its FAR better to tighten my belt than hold my tongue.
And here's the joke. The LESS I hold my tongue, I've enjoyed LESS stress and MORE success.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1145794Yes, let's be a dumb fuck
I've noticed you like to refer to me and "fuck" in the same sentence A LOT.
Smootchies! I like you too chew toy!!
Quote from: HappyDaze;1145794and make fighting slogans about workplace HR shit.
It's because I know how LUCKY I am.
Most people don't have skills in high demand and will trade security for freedom.
Most people have to (or feel they have to) bite their tongue and work their job.
It utterly sickens me to see companies take advantage of that.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1145943If your liberty and dignity aren't worth getting fired for then what is?
Most people will sacrifice liberty and dignity for the illusion of safety.
Quote from: FingerRod;1145955I scored a near perfect on my unconscious bias evaluation, so I guess I have that going for me as I likely made my company's modern-day Schindler's list.
Mazel tov!!
Quote from: HappyDaze;1145900But is it worth getting angry and fired about?
Regardless, you're a dumbass if this kind of thing takes you to violence, but...you are a dumbass, so...
son its worth prison time to make these retards sniff their own ass.
Quote from: Slipshot762;1146971son its worth prison time to make these retards sniff their own ass.
Well then, in this case, I hope you get some of that.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1146980Well then, in this case, I hope you get some of that.
why are you so salty? are you gonna make it bro? you are not getting fidgety about being vanned for being a commie are you?
Casey Petersen, engineer (ex?) at Sandia Labs, stands up to "diversity training":
Well, it's been an interesting couple of days.
"White House memo calls for ban on federal agencies conducting training on "critical race theory," "white privilege" with taxpayer dollars"
https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1302224963961786369 (https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1302224963961786369)
Good news. People already on the woke side will defend the CRT training, but those on the fence or not in the know will get a look at how racist and terrible this "diversity training" really is.
Yes. The best thing that can happen is to shine a light on this stuff. It's gone under the radar for too long.
Quote from: jhkim on August 18, 2020, 04:08:58 PM
I agree that the training looks dumb and shouldn't have been done.
That said, calling this literal brainwashing is still gross hyperbole. Even Rufo doesn't claim that. What he says is, "I think if you looked at interrogation techniques and brainwashing techniques, there might be some good parallels." Adult executives taking a class at a luxury hotel is not in any way the same as prisoners-of-war being interrogated with torture like sleep deprivation. Sitting through a class you disagree with may be annoying, but it isn't mind control or torture -- especially for functioning adults.
"Literal brainwashing": No. Maoist struggle session: Not that big of a stretch.
Quote from: jhkim on August 19, 2020, 08:24:28 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1145567I wonder if the stress and fear of loosing your job/having your life ruined if you refuse to attend or resist the indoctrination don't count as mental torture...
Quote from: RandyB;1145568Those things absolutely do count as mental torture.
By this logic, *any* mandatory training counts as torture and brainwashing. Hell, any required job behavior is brainwashing, because you're being forced against your will to do things you otherwise wouldn't. Bankers are brainwashed into wearing suits.
If I got paid the same daily salary as those executives and put up in a luxury hotel like they were, I'd gladly go through an equivalent class in social conservatism. It's nonsensical to think fear that I'd come out brainwashed. The only question is whether it was worth the annoyance factor.
It's not a fear of brainwashing. It is that after you have been "trained", you are expected to then mouth the party line.
Quote from: TJS on September 05, 2020, 11:14:50 PM
Yes. The best thing that can happen is to shine a light on this stuff. It's gone under the radar for too long.
This has been going on at SNL for over a decade:
https://www.abqjournal.com/news/metro/299349metro04-09-08.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRXNaUz5LGY