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Author Topic: Federal white employee brainwashing (this is NOT hyperbole)  (Read 1065 times)

Trond

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Federal white employee brainwashing (this is NOT hyperbole)
« on: August 12, 2020, 10:43:07 AM »
A federal agency held a re-education camp for white male employees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn9ORyc6sgg&t=9s

What is it like to complete anti-racist training at work?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjbQ8aSYkPg

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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2020, 03:20:20 PM »
WTF?  Totally unacceptable that our tax dollars are paying for this crap, but not surprising.  Segregating people based on gender and skin color for special training?  If only there was a term for that...

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2020, 04:08:58 PM »
I agree that the training looks dumb and shouldn't have been done.

That said, calling this literal brainwashing is still gross hyperbole. Even Rufo doesn't claim that. What he says is, "I think if you looked at interrogation techniques and brainwashing techniques, there might be some good parallels." Adult executives taking a class at a luxury hotel is not in any way the same as prisoners-of-war being interrogated with torture like sleep deprivation. Sitting through a class you disagree with may be annoying, but it isn't mind control or torture -- especially for functioning adults.

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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2020, 05:47:39 PM »
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I agree that the training looks dumb and shouldn't have been done.

That said,

Maybe you should have quit while you were ahead.

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calling this literal brainwashing is still gross hyperbole. Even Rufo doesn't claim that. What he says is, "I think if you looked at interrogation techniques and brainwashing techniques, there might be some good parallels." Adult executives taking a class at a luxury hotel is not in any way the same as prisoners-of-war being interrogated with torture like sleep deprivation. Sitting through a class you disagree with may be annoying, but it isn't mind control or torture -- especially for functioning adults.

This is exactly like the kind of cult brainwashing used by, notorious example, Scientology. This is literal brainwashing of the social justice flavor of kafkatrapping people into confessing their "white fragility". Trying assert that brainwashing is defined by wartime torture is misleading deflection.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2020, 05:51:45 PM by Ratman_tf »
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2020, 06:06:45 PM »
Lemme put it this way.

If my company tried to put me through that, the EEOC complaint would hit them so hard their grandkids would feel it.

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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2020, 07:03:00 PM »
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I agree that the training looks dumb and shouldn't have been done.

That said, calling this literal brainwashing is still gross hyperbole. Even Rufo doesn't claim that. What he says is, "I think if you looked at interrogation techniques and brainwashing techniques, there might be some good parallels." Adult executives taking a class at a luxury hotel is not in any way the same as prisoners-of-war being interrogated with torture like sleep deprivation. Sitting through a class you disagree with may be annoying, but it isn't mind control or torture -- especially for functioning adults.

You don't need literal torture to get brainwashed.

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2020, 07:32:54 PM »
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You don't need literal torture to get brainwashed.

I wonder if the stress and fear of loosing your job/having your life ruined if you refuse to attend or resist the indoctrination don't count as mental torture...
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2020, 07:43:48 PM »
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I wonder if the stress and fear of loosing your job/having your life ruined if you refuse to attend or resist the indoctrination don't count as mental torture...

Those things absolutely do count as mental torture.

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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2020, 08:24:28 PM »
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I wonder if the stress and fear of loosing your job/having your life ruined if you refuse to attend or resist the indoctrination don't count as mental torture...
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Those things absolutely do count as mental torture.
By this logic, *any* mandatory training counts as torture and brainwashing. Hell, any required job behavior is brainwashing, because you're being forced against your will to do things you otherwise wouldn't. Bankers are brainwashed into wearing suits.

If I got paid the same daily salary as those executives and put up in a luxury hotel like they were, I'd gladly go through an equivalent class in social conservatism. It's nonsensical to think fear that I'd come out brainwashed. The only question is whether it was worth the annoyance factor.

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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2020, 09:04:48 PM »
People put up with stupid shit to get/keep a job. This isn't new even if the flavor of stupidity has changed.

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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2020, 09:21:34 PM »
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By this logic, *any* mandatory training counts as torture and brainwashing. Hell, any required job behavior is brainwashing, because you're being forced against your will to do things you otherwise wouldn't. Bankers are brainwashed into wearing suits.

If I got paid the same daily salary as those executives and put up in a luxury hotel like they were, I'd gladly go through an equivalent class in social conservatism. It's nonsensical to think fear that I'd come out brainwashed. The only question is whether it was worth the annoyance factor.

How about if the training was on how to discriminate against black people? Would you be A-OK with sitting through the training you didn't agree with?
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2020, 10:14:20 PM »
Quote from: jhkim;1145579
By this logic, *any* mandatory training counts as torture and brainwashing. Hell, any required job behavior is brainwashing, because you're being forced against your will to do things you otherwise wouldn't. Bankers are brainwashed into wearing suits.

If I got paid the same daily salary as those executives and put up in a luxury hotel like they were, I'd gladly go through an equivalent class in social conservatism. It's nonsensical to think fear that I'd come out brainwashed. The only question is whether it was worth the annoyance factor.


Mandatory training doesn't usually include teaching you what a bad person you are because of your sex/sexuality or skin color does it?

Calling this cult indoctrination mandatory training is disingenuous.
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2020, 10:16:05 PM »
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How about if the training was on how to discriminate against black people? Would you be A-OK with sitting through the training you didn't agree with?

Or how {insert "oppressed" group here} are bad because of their {insert immutable characteristic here}?
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2020, 10:40:06 PM »
If I was being paid to attend, at no cost to me?  I'd show up, eat the food, and drink the coffee.

If they asked me any silly questions, I'd give them some silly answers.
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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2020, 12:51:10 AM »
I'd attend...record everything...send it to my lawyer.

Then, browse for my new beach house on Zillow.