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« on: February 03, 2019, 04:24:31 pm »
There have been a couple threads about campaigns against various figures in gaming. One that caught my eye recently was from Excalibre Games. They posted on their Facebook channel about what they call a smear campaign against one of their contributors, Robert Mosimann. The controversy is over his posts about the IQ difference between blacks and whites.

cf. https://www.facebook.com/ExcalibreGames/posts/1816479985148049

(I apologize in advance for the all-caps. It hurts my eyes, but it's how Excalibre Games writes.)

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RECENTLY A SMEAR CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN ORCHESTRATED AGAINST ONE OF OUR CONTRIBUTORS AND INDIRECTLY AGAINST EXCALIBRE GAMES ITSELF.

THIS SMEAR CAMPAIGN WAS LAUNCHED SIMPLY FOR CITING EVIDENCE AND CONCLUSIONS FROM MAINSTREAM SCIENCE SUCH AS THE AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION.

EXCALIBRE GAMES WILL NOW RESPOND TO THIS SITUATION.

EXCALIBRE GAMES AND ALL PEOPLE WITH US HAVE THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF QUALITY, FAIRNESS AND ETHICAL CONDUCT.

WE HAVE PRODUCED SOME OF THE FINEST GAMES EVER MADE INCLUDING 2 GAMA BEST GAMES OF THE YEAR, ONE GAMES MAGAZINE TOP 100, A FIRE+MOVEMENT 5 STAR GAME, ETC ETC ETC.

OUR COMPANY STANDS FOR QUALITY, FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY AND SCIENCE.

THUS WE SUPPORT ANY INDIVIDUAL'S FREEDOM TO CITE VALID MAINSTREAM SCIENCE IN THEIR PERSONAL LIFE WITHOUT SUPPRESSION OR SMEAR CAMPAIGNS.

WE SUPPORT DEMOCRACY IN WANTING A WELL EDUCATED POPULACE RATHER THAN ONE WHICH REDUCES ANY ISSUE TO MERE PETTY POLITICS, INSULT AND INCITING OTHERS TO INSULT.

WE SUPPORT SCIENCE AND EVIDENCE ADDRESSING ACTUAL ISSUES INSTEAD OF MERE SMEARING POLITICS SUPPRESSING THESE.

WE THUS LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONTINUED SUPPORT OF OUR SUPERB PRODUCTS WHERE AUTHENTICITY, QUALITY AND INTEGRITY ARE FOREMOST.


And in that post, they included a comment clarifying his views.

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TO AVOID ANY MISUNDERSTANDING HERE IS AN ACTUAL SUMMARY OF ROBERT MOSIMANN'S ACTUAL VIEWS CONTRARY TO SMEARS AND IGNORANT HYPE.
THE FOLLOWING IS AN ACTUAL CURRENT POST OF HIS PERSONAL PROFILE
SMEAR CAMPAIGNS, RACE AND IQ.
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RECENTLY AFTER DISCUSSING THE SCIENTIST JAMES WATSON BEING SMEARED DUE TO HIS VIEWS ON RACE AND IQ, I MYSELF BECAME THE TARGET FOR SUCH SMEARS.
THUS I PRESENT HERE MY VIEWS WHICH ARE RELATIVELY ORTHODOX ON THIS SUBJECT MATTER TO COUNTER THESE RABID ATTACKS.
I cite the 2005 work:
30 YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE DIFFERENCES AND COGNITIVE ABILITY
by Rushton and Jensen
This work was chosen as it is readily available for free download on the internet.
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TO SUMMARIZE MY OWN VIEWS :
1
IQ TESTING - WHILE NOT PRECISE DOES GIVE A GENERALLY VALID MEASURE APPLICABLE TO ALL GROUPS WITHIN THE UNITED STATES
(I cite the comments on page 241 concerning the consistency and validity of test results)
2
THERE IS A CONSISTENT RACIAL GAP IN THE UNITED STATES WHERE WHITES SCORE ROUGHLY 15 IQ POINTS HIGHER THAN BLACKS AND ALMOST 200 SAT POINTS HIGHER.
THESE RACIAL DISCREPANCIES ARE NOT CONTROVERSIAL AND ARE GENERALLY RECOGNIZED BY STANDARD SCIENCE
(I cite page 236 where it is explicitly stated that these differences are not a matter of empirical dispute.)
3 CONCERNING INTERPRETING THESE RESULTS, MOST SCIENTISTS AGREE THAT BOTH GENETIC AND SOCIAL FACTORS EXIST IN ACCOUNTING FOR IQ DIFFERENCES.
I CONSIDER THE SOCIAL FACTORS OF NURTURE AND EDUCATION TO ACCOUNT FOR 70-80% OF THIS RACIAL GAP WHILE GENETICS IS ONLY A MINOR FACTOR.
(I cite page 250 where it was found that combined Genetic and Environmental models work best in explaining US racial IQ gaps rather than strictly genetic or strictly environmental models)
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THIS COMPLETELY ORTHODOX SCIENTIFIC POSITION OF STANDARD MAINSTREAM SCIENCE IS MY VIEW ON RACE AND IQ IN THE UNITED STATES.
THUS ALL OF THE RABID SMEARS NOW GOING ON ARE POLITICAL FABRICATION BASED UPON MERE HYPE AND IGNORANCE OF STANDARD SCIENCE AND A WILFUL DISREGARD OF THE ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC ISSUES.


How do people feel about this issue?

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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2019, 06:34:47 pm »
I have no idea who any of these people, or that company, are.
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2019, 06:40:38 pm »
Quote from: jhkim;1073245
I apologize in advance for the all-caps. It hurts my eyes, but it's how Excalibre Games writes.

In the future use this.

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How do people feel about this issue?

The Left denies genetics in the same way The Right denies climate change, and for the same reasons. And any ideology which must deny science in order to survive is inherently broken and likely dangerous because reason was not used to get there.

So Tuesday.

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2019, 07:11:22 pm »
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The Left denies genetics in the same way The Right denies climate change, and for the same reasons. And any ideology which must deny science in order to survive is inherently broken and likely dangerous because reason was not used to get there.
In this case, I think Mosimann is the one abusing the science. He asserts that genetics accounts for 20-30% of the black/white race gap, but there's no scientific basis for that. Just because there is some genetic component to IQ measurements - as found in twin studies - this doesn't say anything about how much of the black/white IQ measurement gap is genetic compared to environmental. In general, it is really difficult to tell the difference between what is hereditary versus what is environmental - because humans are never raised in controlled scientific conditions. Twin studies are essentially the only good data on this. However, they only tell about genetic variation within a family. It doesn't tell about the variation between different populations.

It is entirely possible for there to be 20% variation due to genetics overall, but a particular difference between population A and B is 0% genetic, and the difference between populations B and C is 100% genetic. For that matter, there is no reason to think that environmental and genetic differences go in the same direction between two populations. In other words, maybe Asian genetics are predisposed towards *lower* IQ scores - but environmental factors are greater than those genetics, making score higher.

I think it's a common assumption that genetics will exactly mirror environment - so any population difference is caused by a mix of matching genetic and environmental factors. So, if blacks are good at dancing, then maybe it's 30% because of good dancing genes, and 70% due to culture. But in all likelihood, genetic effects are going to be completely independent of cultural effects.

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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2019, 07:20:50 pm »
I don't care. There are dumb white people, and smart black people. What matters to me is, to repeat MLK, the content of their character.

PS Ashkenazi jews and asians beat both white and black people on IQ scores. What the fuck conclusions are we supposed to draw? "systemic oppression"? Racial superiority? Feh.
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2019, 09:10:39 pm »
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How do people feel about this issue?


This is bait for people to support this unheard of game company guy getting smeared, which support will then be used in a game of "gotcha" by SJWs to "prove" that posters on TheRPGSite are racists.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2019, 09:52:34 pm »
Greetings!

Like King Edward "Longshanks" in the film Braveheart said, *cough, cough* "They're Sheep!"

50% or more, probably, of humanity are essentially humanoid cattle, with the intellectual capacity just slightly above baboons. Give them a home, clothes, food, sex, and a few shiny toys to chew on and play with like a fucking dog, and they could give a fuck about anyone or anything else in life. For many, that is all life really amounts to, from the moment they fall out of momma, to the day they are buried. 50% of everyone are low-IQ, gibbering baboons. :) LOL

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2019, 01:14:09 am »
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This is bait for people to support this unheard of game company guy getting smeared, which support will then be used in a game of "gotcha" by SJWs to "prove" that posters on TheRPGSite are racists.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2019, 01:30:01 am »
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This is bait for people to support this unheard of game company guy getting smeared, which support will then be used in a game of "gotcha" by SJWs to "prove" that posters on TheRPGSite are racists.
Well, at least it's a game company. We've had recent threads on Internet reaction to an unheard-of young adult fantasy novel and the rebooted She-Ra cartoon. Games are at least more topical for the site.

It sounds to me like you only want to talk selectively about SJW campaigns - cherry-picking only certain cases to paint them in as negative a light as possible. I'm willing to talk about those cases - but in turn, I think it's valid to talk about other ones as well.

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2019, 02:01:59 am »
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Well, at least it's a game company. We've had recent threads on Internet reaction to an unheard-of young adult fantasy novel and the rebooted She-Ra cartoon. Games are at least more topical for the site.

It sounds to me like you only want to talk selectively about SJW campaigns - cherry-picking only certain cases to paint them in as negative a light as possible. I'm willing to talk about those cases - but in turn, I think it's valid to talk about other ones as well.

Sure! Go ahead! Bait as much as you want, you disingenuous fuckstick!

(Are you here just to score martyr points for the socjus cause or what? You say that you are "fighting the good fight" since you hate the posters here, but aren't you just sucking up to those who will stab you in the back when it is most convenient in a vain hope that you won't get ostracized by the SJWs for not being pure enough?)

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2019, 02:15:56 am »
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How do people feel about this issue?

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2019, 02:19:24 am »
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(Are you here just to score martyr points for the socjus cause or what? You say that you are "fighting the good fight" since you hate the posters here, but aren't you just sucking up to those who will stab you in the back when it is most convenient in a vain hope that you won't get ostracized by the SJWs for not being pure enough?)
I don't hate all posters here, jeff37923. I just hate you. :p

I've been stabbed in the front and in the back a number of times - I just don't give a shit, since that "stabbing" consists mainly of people calling me names on the Internet.

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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2019, 03:20:54 am »
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It sounds to me like you only want to talk selectively about SJW campaigns - cherry-picking only certain cases to paint them in as negative a light as possible. I'm willing to talk about those cases - but in turn, I think it's valid to talk about other ones as well.


It's not our fault social justice nitwits are a cornucopia of terrible behavior.
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2019, 03:22:37 am »
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I don't hate all posters here, jeff37923. I just hate you.

Well, at least you are honest about it. :rolleyes:

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I've been stabbed in the front and in the back a number of times - I just don't give a shit, since that "stabbing" consists mainly of people calling me names on the Internet.

Then you need to be stabbed some more until you quit being the mendacious sycophantic disingenuous little toady to SocJus which you are being.

Goddamnit, you claim to be a physicist! Your search for truth stops outside of the realm of subatomic particles. Or does it? Are leptons racist to you? Are quarks problematic and need to be adjusted in your field of research?

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2019, 09:53:26 am »
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But in all likelihood, genetic effects are going to be completely independent of cultural effects.


Where do you get this from? As far as I know there's not much supporting this, since genetics and culture have been known to evolve in tandem in several cases.