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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #510 on: August 16, 2022, 06:28:38 AM »
Zak. this is not a court of law. There is no "burden of proof" on anyone for anything at any time.

Burden of proof is about avoiding logical fallacies, thats a thing that's good inside OR outside of a courtroom.

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I'm free to dislike you because of the color of pants you wear, if I so desire.

Yeah we're talking about lying, not your taste in pants.
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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #511 on: August 16, 2022, 06:43:31 AM »
Zak. this is not a court of law. There is no "burden of proof" on anyone for anything at any time.

Burden of proof is about avoiding logical fallacies, thats a thing that's good inside OR outside of a courtroom.

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Yeah we're talking about lying, not your taste in pants.
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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #512 on: August 16, 2022, 08:32:09 AM »
You lied about "tongue shoving" fantasy, you lied and pretended that the things you were complaining about weren't recorded, you lied about me impersonating someone, you lied about me asking for some kind of "rules" in an argument and not following them.

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 You're just doing what I already described again: changing the subject from how you lied to the more nebulous territory of namecalling.

You're doing that thing again where you pretend that I'm changing the subject when my participation has always been about how you're an asshole.  Talking about whether I'm a liar or not would be a change in subject.  But, your examples of me 'lying' are not, in fact, examples of me lying.  If you were not an asshole and looked at those exchanges objectively, you'd see that you didn't participate in good faith.  Regarding the small bonus to diplomacy, the original claim is that either that bonus is 'good and helpful' so that people would want it, meaning that Diplomancers would play instruments to be good at their job, or the bonus is not 'good and helpful' so people didn't need to play instruments to be good at Diplomacy.  You spent half the thread arguing that being better at something doesn't mean people would do that thing, then the other half arguing that there are so many ways to get the bonus that instruments weren't important.  And yes, I was making fun of and parodying your position 15 pages before you 'clarified'.  Which is part of why I am still calling you an asshole.  But not as a 'drive by heckler'.  Nor as a 'dog-face-kicker'.

I like it when you try to say that I'm an unreliable witness to you being an asshole.  Because I'm not.  And the more you exhibit the behaviors that I describe as 'being an asshole' the easier it is for everyone else to see it. 

Carry on!
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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #513 on: August 16, 2022, 09:42:57 AM »
No, you asserted that the claims were wrong. Assertion =/= proof. Again, why are you lying, Zak?

If you believe that an assertion I made in response to your post on the last page is false then you haven't said which one.

For example, I asserted:

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Bullying requires the bully have more power in the situation than who they're interacting with, and everyone here has the same power here: to type.

You haven't addressed it.

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Edit: for fun, here is the comments section of the long-delayed Demon City Kickstarter. Zak challenges several people critical of him to sign affidavits..

Oh look, it's now changed from the lie that I was "insisting" it to now it's just "challenging" them.

You just got caught, changed your wording and are pretending you weren't caught.

p.s. Oh and here you are caught again:

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Mike Evans, has even told people in the comments NOT to sign any legal papers offered by Zak.

No, he doesn't say that at all--he just says he himself is not making the same offer as me, and he said it in the link you provided.

You got caught again, this time by your own link.


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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #514 on: August 16, 2022, 11:10:35 AM »
« Last Edit: August 16, 2022, 11:14:52 AM by blackstone »

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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #515 on: August 16, 2022, 01:52:06 PM »


 You're just doing what I already described again: changing the subject from how you lied to the more nebulous territory of namecalling.

You're doing that thing again where you pretend that I'm changing the subject when my participation has always been about how you're an asshole.

Regardless of what you want it to be "about" you still got caught lying.


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  But, your examples of me 'lying' are not, in fact, examples of me lying.


Here's a list of concrete claims:

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you lied about "tongue shoving" fantasy, you lied and pretended that the things you were complaining about weren't recorded, you lied about me impersonating someone, you lied about me asking for some kind of "rules" in an argument and not following them.

https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/enjoy/420/

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Regarding the small bonus to diplomacy...

I didn't in any way say anything about "tongue shoving". Your fantasy was about "shoving your tongue down someone's throat". Diplomacy rolls are beside the point.

I am 100% pointing directly to your claim and speaking in good faith. A good faith interlocutor would assume you meant the facts you asserted and that you intended to defend them and defend his own. I am doing that.

A necessary good faith observation here (that is: saying exctly what I believe makes your argument false) unrelated tangent doesn't address any of the things I gave as examples you lied about:

-You still havent addressed your "tongue shoving" fantasy
-You lied and pretended that the things you were complaining about weren't recorded
-You lied about me impersonating someone
-You lied about me asking for some kind of "rules" in an argument and not following them
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« Reply #516 on: August 16, 2022, 01:58:01 PM »
No, you asserted that the claims were wrong. Assertion =/= proof. Again, why are you lying, Zak?

If you believe that an assertion I made in response to your post on the last page is false then you haven't said which one.

For example, I asserted:

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Bullying requires the bully have more power in the situation than who they're interacting with, and everyone here has the same power here: to type.

You haven't addressed it.

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Edit: for fun, here is the comments section of the long-delayed Demon City Kickstarter. Zak challenges several people critical of him to sign affidavits..

Oh look, it's now changed from the lie that I was "insisting" it to now it's just "challenging" them.

You just got caught, changed your wording and are pretending you weren't caught.

p.s. Oh and here you are caught again:

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Mike Evans, has even told people in the comments NOT to sign any legal papers offered by Zak.

No, he doesn't say that at all--he just says he himself is not making the same offer as me, and he said it in the link you provided.

You got caught again, this time by your own link.



Yeah you just posted the proof you lied.

Your false claim was that Mike "“ told people in the comments NOT to sign any legal papers offered by Zak.”"

That isn't anywhere in that quote. Mike said he "recommended" you not sign them unless you've talked to a lawyer and understand it, etc. (The scope is also limited to affidavits and contracts not "any legal papers")

If "I don't recommend you sign this unless you understand it and have talked to a lawyer" mean the same as "I am telling you don't do it" then literally no one has ever recommended in good faith that anyone sign a contract ever since contract law began. This is bizarre beyond belief that you don't understand that or have decided to pretend not to.

So, those are completely different. You just made that up. If you hadn't posted it there was an outside chance you had misremembered but the fact you posted the exact wording means you knew that and decided to lie about it.

So you can't even hide behind the "I'm just not gonna answer" defense. You caught yourself lying.

You should consult a therapist about having done that and, if they recommend it and you understand the risks, go into treatment. And by that I don't mean you shouldn't go into treatment.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2022, 03:32:41 PM by Zak S »
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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #517 on: August 16, 2022, 04:10:54 PM »
That isn't anywhere in that quote. Mike said he "recommended" you not sign them unless you've talked to a lawyer and understand it, etc. (The scope is also limited to affidavits and contracts not "any legal papers")

I plan to address your comments aimed at me tomorrow, but I can't NOT respond to this today. 

Zak S., I have up to this point, refrained from calling you an idiot.  I've maintained that you're an asshole, and when you don't understand something it is because you're WILLFULLY choosing to misrepresent or misunderstand because you're an ASSHOLE.  I will ask you to clarify if you are deliberately misrepresenting in this case or if I've been wrong and you're both an IDIOT and an ASSHOLE

Your statement (as quoted) appears to be intended to say that Mike recommends that you speak with a lawyer and then signs the papers. He does not. He is recommending to people NOT to sign anything, but if they want to sign it, do a lot of investigation, first.  He does not offer any benefits to signing any legal documents, and reiterates that signing them is UNNCESSARY from his perspective. 

That is to say, he is clearly recommending NOT signing an affidavit or contract. 

Only because you're an asshole and constantly try to redefine the meaning of natural language to your advantage would you think otherwise. Of course, your pattern of behavior doesn't require that your 'rebuttals' have actual meaning.  You have a history of asserting that you did a rebuttal, and given enough posts and enough pages, only someone with a vested interest (like a court of law) would dig through those pages to confirm who is being honest and who is being a liar. 

I'm looking forward to relitigating the stupid argument where my initial point was (obvious to everyone with a functional brain, just as Mike's post above) was that you were willing to grant a similar bonus in a 'bajillion situations' not strictly limited to playing a musical instrument, but rather than simply say that (resolving the crux of the argument) you instead persisted in arguing for pages upon pages calling people liars, failing to engage and respond to their points, and then continuing to do so once you confirmed that the community was right. 

Just to get ahead of the indictment that I'm a liar, there's a chance that I don't present my post tomorrow.  Since you're asking me to go dig through potentially hundreds of posts and you are pathologically incapable of characterizing a person's stated position accurately, explaining that you're a liar liar pants on fire asshole idiot (which is self-evident to anyone with at least average intelligence [except you]) is both time consuming and ultimately pointless (you are a narcissist who cannot accept that you're an asshole even if the whole world agreed and they printed your picture in the dictionary for the word), so there's a CHANCE that I find something EVEN MORE FUN to do with my time, but I have to admit, calling you an asshole every day has been enjoyable. 
When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
And when I say that you are a horse's ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse's ass.

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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #518 on: August 16, 2022, 04:17:23 PM »

Your statement (as quoted) appears to be intended to say that Mike recommends that you speak with a lawyer and then signs the papers.

Here's the exact quote from me, precisely:

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Mike said he "recommended" you not sign them unless you've talked to a lawyer and understand it, etc. (The scope is also limited to affidavits and contracts not "any legal papers")

That doesn't match what you said at all.

Mike's quote ( "â€ĶI do not recommend anyone sign any affadavit [sic] or contract without first consulting legal representation to understand the full scope of what is written and any ramifications.” ) also doesn't match what Tubesock said, which was (unmodified quote)

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Mike Evans, has even told people in the comments NOT to sign any legal papers offered by Zak.

Point fully addressed.

You both should each talk to a therapist about your desire to lie and distort information on the internet and, if you understand the risks, undergo treatment.

No further claim from either of you can be trusted since you just had what you said disproved in the thread in black-and-white and aren't addressing it.  Since it's such a clear demonstration, this post demonstrating your dishonesty should be a helpful reference point in any further conversation where you attempt to present your ideas as relevant.
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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #519 on: August 16, 2022, 05:36:36 PM »
There's that concern trolling right on schedule, lmao.

Zak, you know we aren't mentally ill. If you really believed that, you'd try to marry us, so you could make a big performative deal about being a caregiving martyr, only to weaponize our illness against us when we called you on your abusive shit.

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« Reply #520 on: August 16, 2022, 11:13:03 PM »
There's that concern trolling right on schedule, lmao.

What is the concern that you think I am pretending to have?

Like: either you believe things that are proved false right in front of you (which is a hallmark of mental illness) in post 518.

Or: you weigh whatever you think you get out of lying (as proven in post 518) greater than the damage it does to people around you (which is a hallmark of a different mental illness).

I can't think of a plausible explanation of your behavior which doesn't include mental illness.

Either way:

That's one more thing you said that's not true.
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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #521 on: August 17, 2022, 02:52:18 PM »
The only thing I can constructively add to this thread is to formally request it be locked by Pundit and allowed to sink into the depths of the internet as it is well past the point of adding any positive element to the site.

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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #522 on: August 18, 2022, 01:28:39 PM »
No further claim from either of you can be trusted since you just had what you said disproved in the thread in black-and-white and aren't addressing it.  Since it's such a clear demonstration, this post demonstrating your dishonesty should be a helpful reference point in any further conversation where you attempt to present your ideas as relevant.

There you are doing it again.  Being an asshole.  Whenever there is a disagreement about interpretation you insist that the other side is deliberately misrepresenting and lying

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If you wanted to participate in a conversation, you've lost that right. You are a non-human now. You are over and cancelled. No concern of yours can ever matter to any member of the human race ever again

A little harsh, no?  Of course it's especially harsh when you define 'disagreeing with Zak' as 'trolling'. 

It's clear to me now that you're not as smart as you think you are.  In fact, you're not even as smart as I thought you were.  I've known a lot of smart people who can be condescending jerks because of their intelligence; I've also known people that are condescending jerks because they're deliberately aping behaviors they've seen from smart people (who really should learn that being nice gets you farther than being smart).  I've always thought that you're actually smart and just acting like you literally cannot understand English because you think it wins you debate points. 

Of course, the idea that there's anyone actually keeping score is absurd.  When we both find ourselves lying on our deathbeds (the version that means having lain oneself down as opposed to making up stories), I very much doubt you'll find any comfort in people you believe you've 'pwned' on the internet.  But maybe I'm wrong.  From where I'm standing, that looks like the most likely thing that you'll be left with.  I hope it is a comfort to you! 

The only thing I can constructively add to this thread is to formally request it be locked by Pundit and allowed to sink into the depths of the internet as it is well past the point of adding any positive element to the site.

You don't think that letting Zak prove he's an asshole offers any benefit to people that may encounter him in the hobby elsewhere?  Forewarned is forearmed, ne? 
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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #523 on: August 18, 2022, 01:43:24 PM »
Whenever there is a disagreement about interpretation you insist that the other side is deliberately misrepresenting and lying


Check post 518:
https://www.therpgsite.com/the-rpgpundit-s-own-forum/enjoy/495/

This isn't a "disagreement about interpretation". You blatantly typed something that wasn't what I said.

Even if it was an accident:

Failing to fact-check before making an accusation against someone is bad--that negligence and disregard for another human--is as bad as lying.

And not apologizing now that it's been exposed is much worse than both. You might be emotionally compromised and just so triggered you can't bring yourself to be fair to the person you're talking to in the moment. But it's been days, you can't still claim to be freaking out. The fact you haven't said "Yeah in post 518 there I 100% wrote something that is obviously not what you wrote, sorry."

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A little harsh, no?  Of course it's especially harsh when you define 'disagreeing with Zak' as 'trolling'. 

Actually, if I remember correctly I was responding to someone saying literally "I was trolling you". So: the definition of trolling there is the troll's, not mine.

You either didn't check when you grabbed the quote which is morally negligent and as bad as lying.

OR you did check and deliberately chose to not say the truth, which is lying.

Not that it really matters, since in post 518 above it's already proved, hands down, that you aren't honest.
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« Reply #524 on: August 18, 2022, 01:48:07 PM »
  This is popcorn worthy.