Enjoy.

[jeff37923]

It's like you're saying "You're a redhead that's just my opinion".

You're a whore. That's not an opinion.  That's a fact.

And you are a liar. What of it?

Say what I lied about and then prove it.

Also, as an aside, its so weird you still do this after all these years.

Not directed at you.

Although, Mistwell may have a point about about you being "alone against the world" as your attitude.

[Zak S]

It's like you're saying "You're a redhead that's just my opinion".

You're a whore. That's not an opinion.  That's a fact.

And you are a liar. What of it?

Say what I lied about and then prove it.

Also, as an aside, its so weird you still do this after all these years.

Not directed at you.

Although, Mistwell may have a point about about you being "alone against the world" as your attitude.

Nah. When you are dealing with a systemic problem (and, in Mistwell's case someone alleging the systemic problem is good) it's just a heap shot to say that.

All you had to do was say "Oh I meant the other guy"

Good. You meant the other guy. Good to know.

[DocJones]

It's like you're saying "You're a redhead that's just my opinion".

You're a whore. That's not an opinion.  That's a fact.

And you are a liar. What of it?

Well that came out of nowhere.

[HappyDaze]

It's like you're saying "You're a redhead that's just my opinion".

You're a whore. That's not an opinion.  That's a fact.

And you are a liar. What of it?

Well that came out of nowhere.

Not really. These days, more than 90% of Jeffy's posts are nothing but trolling.

[Fheredin]

As someone who has done the "alone against the world" thing for years (thank God for everything but legal allegations) I have to say the majority opinion in practically every circumstance....sucks. The average person is nowhere near as thoughtful, foresightful, or well intended as they think they are.

As to your particular situation, Zak, I am sorry that you that an internet mob descended on you. If you were guilty, then it's a matter for the police, and people should be grown up enough about matters that after the trial and jail/ probation/ whatever else, you've done your time and there's no value being vindictive or trying to exclude you. If you were falsely accused, then being vindictive and excluding you was always in the wrong. In both instances, a digital mob descending all over websites has no capacity to do good and a significant capacity to do harm. Your responses on this thread suggest to me that you're thinking exactly the same thing.

This was one of the incidents which leads me to think one of the key problems is that internet communities do not have formally elected community leaders, which means they do not actually have accountability to community members. The other two incidents I experienced were with Adam Koebel's cancellation (a much more clear-cut example of internet mobs going too far over an obvious hill of beans) and the r/RPGDesign / r/RPGCreation schism.

As the last one is quite obscure, I think I should explain it a bit. I was a mod of RPGDesign at the timer, and a random new member cited "racist" activity on the member-made Discord the community had linked in the sidebar, and of course because this was in the height of the George Floyd protests, that was a hot button. I researched the actual context, and came to the conclusion that the Admins of the Discord had been targeted with harassment on their own server, then some of the quotes from it had been taken out of context. I concluded this was a psyops operation to either destroy the Discord, defame the members running it, or to defame the RPGDesign sub itself.  However, none of the other mods were willing to side with me against the mob and formally clear the Discord of all wrongdoing. They wanted to delete the link and be done with the incident, and they outvoted me.

Internet mobs can and do have real consequences for your employment, so constantly bowing the knee to them is not a good idea. It's time to actually have a formal digital government so that someone can actually say "no" to these mobs.

[Vampire Rabbit]

As someone who has done the "alone against the world" thing for years (thank God for everything but legal allegations) I have to say the majority opinion in practically every circumstance....sucks. The average person is nowhere near as thoughtful, foresightful, or well intended as they think they are.

As to your particular situation, Zak, I am sorry that you that an internet mob descended on you. If you were guilty, then it's a matter for the police, and people should be grown up enough about matters that after the trial and jail/ probation/ whatever else, you've done your time and there's no value being vindictive or trying to exclude you. If you were falsely accused, then being vindictive and excluding you was always in the wrong. In both instances, a digital mob descending all over websites has no capacity to do good and a significant capacity to do harm. Your responses on this thread suggest to me that you're thinking exactly the same thing.

This was one of the incidents which leads me to think one of the key problems is that internet communities do not have formally elected community leaders, which means they do not actually have accountability to community members. The other two incidents I experienced were with Adam Koebel's cancellation (a much more clear-cut example of internet mobs going too far over an obvious hill of beans) and the r/RPGDesign / r/RPGCreation schism.

As the last one is quite obscure, I think I should explain it a bit. I was a mod of RPGDesign at the timer, and a random new member cited "racist" activity on the member-made Discord the community had linked in the sidebar, and of course because this was in the height of the George Floyd protests, that was a hot button. I researched the actual context, and came to the conclusion that the Admins of the Discord had been targeted with harassment on their own server, then some of the quotes from it had been taken out of context. I concluded this was a psyops operation to either destroy the Discord, defame the members running it, or to defame the RPGDesign sub itself.  However, none of the other mods were willing to side with me against the mob and formally clear the Discord of all wrongdoing. They wanted to delete the link and be done with the incident, and they outvoted me.

Internet mobs can and do have real consequences for your employment, so constantly bowing the knee to them is not a good idea. It's time to actually have a formal digital government so that someone can actually say "no" to these mobs.

This. All of this. 100%

[GhostNinja]

If Zak wants to make a difference about people who talk crap about him, he should go to rpg.net and do a search.

People who have defended him have gotten banned and the moderators make some horrible accusations against Zak.   Do the world a favor and sue the purple piece of crap about of business

*Note* I am doing a search using rpg.net's shit search.  When I have examples I will post them.

Here is one:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/zak-has-nothing-to-do-with-this-book.853000/

Post 219 shows how shitty people are and want to deplatform him:  https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/zak-has-nothing-to-do-with-this-book.853000/page-22#post-22856466

Of course personal attacks are wrong on rpg.net, unless its people they hate.

RPG.net let people pile on accusations about Zak and said in post 2 or 3 that they would lock the thread, and then didnt until page 142:  https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/zak-has-nothing-to-do-with-this-book.853000/page-22#post-22856466


Thats just a few

[Vampire Rabbit]

If Zak wants to make a difference about people who talk crap about him, he should go to rpg.net and do a search.

People who have defended him have gotten banned and the moderators make some horrible accusations against Zak.   Do the world a favor and sue the purple piece of crap about of business

*Note* I am doing a search using rpg.net's shit search.  When I have examples I will post them.

Here is one:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/zak-has-nothing-to-do-with-this-book.853000/

Post 219 shows how shitty people are and want to deplatform him:  https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/zak-has-nothing-to-do-with-this-book.853000/page-22#post-22856466

Of course personal attacks are wrong on rpg.net, unless its people they hate.

RPG.net let people pile on accusations about Zak and said in post 2 or 3 that they would lock the thread, and then didnt until page 142:  https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/zak-has-nothing-to-do-with-this-book.853000/page-22#post-22856466


Thats just a few

It is hard and expensive, but these people and that business deserve to be sued for their intentional lying and trying to destroy people.

[I HATE THE DEMIURGE I HATE THE DEMIURGE]

The problem is, Zak tried to be an e-celebrity and piggyback off his gf's tiddies. If he would've been content to stay anonymous and make money, it'd be fine. But Zak wanted to be a e-celeb. And that has its costs.

[Valatar]

Like: you spreading misinformation doesn't change my heartbeat. This is the job. This is my life now: documenting the harassment, fact-checking the people lying.

I see stuff, I screencap it, I index the file in case I need it later.

This seems like an incredibly sad way to live one's life.  I'm reminded of the Shelter Skelter story from the old Twilight Zone where a survivalist who's built a huge bomb shelter winds up surviving a nuclear accident, thinking the Ruskies have dropped the bombs he stays holed up in his shelter and becomes completely unhinged, thinking rescuers are likely pillagers and refusing to come out.

[GhostNinja]

It is hard and expensive, but these people and that business deserve to be sued for their intentional lying and trying to destroy people.

I understand this but if he truly wants to defend himself he can't just go after easy targets.

[HappyDaze]

The problem is, Zak tried to be an e-celebrity and piggyback off his gf's tiddies. If he would've been content to stay anonymous and make money, it'd be fine. But Zak wanted to be a e-celeb. And that has its costs.

Tiddies always have costs. Unfortunately,  some of those costs are hidden...especially when the tiddies aren't.

Feel free to ignore this post. I'm all in on my cruise's drink package right now. Free upgrades can be Abad thing ...

[deadDMwalking]

Hey Zak! 

I'm firmly in the camp of 'you're an asshole'. I think you've proved it several times in this thread, and you've certainly proved it many other times and many other places.  But part of what makes you an asshole is that you like to demand that I go find multiple conversations and quote them here, then insist that I should have asked for clarification because you are not actually an asshole, and it's MY FAULT if I got that mistaken impression. 

Well, we can have an epistemological argument about whether or not it is possible to 'know' whether you're an asshole, but that doesn't sound fun to me.  Instead, I'll just go on telling people that I've interacted with you before and I felt that you came across as an asshole.  I always hope that other people choose to make their own impressions without relying exclusively on my judgement, but if they're asking for an opinion, I'll certainly give them my honest opinion - which I know you're in support of because you made the claim earlier in this thread that speaking the truth is paramount. 

If it makes you feel any better, my opinion carries very little weight with other posters on this forum.  In fact, many here might regard me calling you an asshole as a commendation of your personality instead.    But I'm not too worried about that - I'm pretty confident that if they keep engaging you in conversation they'll realize that I was right, and maybe they'll evaluate other positions where we've disagreed and make the realization that they were wrong there, too. 

I would hope it goes without saying that you shouldn't consider this harassment - you seem to have a burning need to know WHY people don't like you so I'm happy to share.  I don't make a habit of following you around and confronting you.  It's also not about whether any specific accusations leveled against you are correct or not - I can say that I thought you were an asshole before any allegations of abuse came out.  We could debate any number of situations you've factually been in and whether your specific actions would qualify as a 'yes' in any 'AITA' thread, but that would not be fun for me. 

"If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."

[Zak S]

If Zak wants to make a difference about people who talk crap about him, he should go to rpg.net and do a search.

People who have defended him have gotten banned and the moderators make some horrible accusations against Zak.   Do the world a favor and sue the purple piece of crap about of business

*Note* I am doing a search using rpg.net's shit search.  When I have examples I will post them.

Here is one:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/zak-has-nothing-to-do-with-this-book.853000/

Post 219 shows how shitty people are and want to deplatform him:  https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/zak-has-nothing-to-do-with-this-book.853000/page-22#post-22856466

Of course personal attacks are wrong on rpg.net, unless its people they hate.

RPG.net let people pile on accusations about Zak and said in post 2 or 3 that they would lock the thread, and then didnt until page 142:  https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/zak-has-nothing-to-do-with-this-book.853000/page-22#post-22856466


Thats just a few

This entire thread started because I successfully sued an RPGnet mod. It changed policy at RPGnet and made that mod stop attacking people.

[Zak S]

The problem is, Zak tried to be an e-celebrity and piggyback off his gf's tiddies. If he would've been content to stay anonymous and make money, it'd be fine. But Zak wanted to be a e-celeb. And that has its costs.

No you're either lying or didn't do your homework. I was a painter showing in museums long before I ever met that girl. The gamer internet is not the entire world.