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« Reply #960 on: September 12, 2022, 05:54:57 PM »

This is a forum.  It's an ongoing conversation.  I am NOT OBLIGATED to address all of your so-called 'points'.

Only if you want to claim your ideas are based on reason.

If you ware saying your ideas are not based in reason then just say that.

Failing to do either leaves us all with no legitimate reason for you to have said anything so you just wasted everyone's time.

classic dumbass rationalist behavior- quote only one line of your opponent's post, then act condescendingly.

If the entire thing you disagree about hinges on one inaccurate claim in that line, that's the right thing to do.

So, not dumb. Clear, simple, easy to follow.

Anything else would be wasting time.
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« Reply #961 on: September 12, 2022, 06:13:30 PM »
Like addressing your gish-gallops that contain neither a rebuttal nor a coherent point. 

And yet, here we are.  No Zak, I'm not going to say that failing to 'address all of your points' makes me unreasonable.  That's your standard and like all of your standards it is one you seek to hold everyone except yourself to.  Of course it's amusing when you refuse to answer direct questions and then demand that people quote themselves asking you questions or pointing out where you haven't.  I mean, I am flabbergasted that you could do that on the same page that the question is posted, or where you refused to answer and instead accused someone of being a 'virgins. 

Zak, I don’t have to address your points because unless they're relevant to the conversation I'm interested in having, there's no reason for me to participate.  There are lots of conversations on this site that I'm watching but I don't think are interesting enough to merit weighing in. 

Zak, you should be flattered that I think you're interesting.  I mean, you're only interesting because you are the singular metaphorically biggest asshole I've seen online - the only one whose pattern of behavior is so consistently predictable and toxic that I feel compelled[t/i] to warn everyone: you are an asshole.

Cheerio!
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« Reply #962 on: September 12, 2022, 06:39:28 PM »
Like addressing your gish-gallops that contain neither a rebuttal nor a coherent point. 

"The Gish gallop is a rhetorical technique that involves overwhelming your opponent with as many arguments as possible, with no regard for the accuracy, "

I literally made one statement: that conflating "bad" and "not to my taste" was a rhetorical move responsible for pointless internet arguments.

That's not a gish gallop.

You are lying on the internet again.
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« Reply #963 on: September 12, 2022, 06:53:03 PM »

This is a forum.  It's an ongoing conversation.  I am NOT OBLIGATED to address all of your so-called 'points'.

Only if you want to claim your ideas are based on reason.

If you ware saying your ideas are not based in reason then just say that.

Failing to do either leaves us all with no legitimate reason for you to have said anything so you just wasted everyone's time.

classic dumbass rationalist behavior- quote only one line of your opponent's post, then act condescendingly.

If the entire thing you disagree about hinges on one inaccurate claim in that line, that's the right thing to do.

So, not dumb. Clear, simple, easy to follow.

Anything else would be wasting time.


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« Reply #964 on: September 12, 2022, 06:54:17 PM »
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Only a troll would post that, so all your claims can now be ignored.
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« Reply #966 on: September 13, 2022, 09:35:15 AM »

Only a troll would post that, so all your claims can now be ignored.

Who says?  You? 

Trying to bring levity to a conversation automatically makes someone a troll?  I thought it was someone who deliberately makes inaccurate statements to deliberately get a rise out of someone.  How many definitions are you using, Zak?  Am I right and your definition is 'anyone that disagrees with me about anything, ever'?  Because that seems to be the way you use it. 

Regarding 'Gish Gallop', I referred to your ongoing pattern of behavior of refusing to clearly state what your position is, and bring up a slew of apparently unrelated points, each of which can be addressed but it takes time, after which you proclaim that none of your points were ever addressed (therefore your 'opponents' were acting in bad faith and you're not obligated to respond in the future). 

But I do disagree that saying 'something is bad' is a good starting place, rather than 'this is not to my taste, and here is why'.  It's OBVIOUS and self evident if you use an example.  Saying 'Don't eat that mayonnaise, it's bad' is a much clearer statement than saying 'I would recommend you refrain from eating the mayonnaise - it's 3 months after the use by date, but that's just my recommendation as someone that tries to avoid foods that are not to my taste as someone who prefers fresh foods that taste fresh, but I actually don't know if it tastes bad and you might like it - I wasn't actually willing to eat it because I thought it smelled bad, but what is bad, anyway? You know what, you should try it and tell me if you like it, because maybe I've been too harsh with expressions about good or bad'.

Ultimately, I'm suggesting people follow your advice and ask clarifying questions.  If something is bad and it is obviously bad and you say it is bad, most people will look at the thing and because it is obvious, have no further questions.  But if they do, they can say something like 'it doesn't look bad' or 'what makes it bad' and THEN, you can go into the full details which would have been a waste of time if no one had any questions.  You know, like reasonable people do all the time. Each of us is not obligated to anticipate EVERY POSSIBLE QUESTION AND ANSWER IT IN ADVANCE.  Some of us opt to do so - in fact, that's frequently part of my job - so I'm less inclined to do that as part of my hobby time. 

Zak, you are an asshole.  The way you frequently dismiss anyone that doesn't want to follow what you claim are accepted practices of discussion when your rules are crazy is one of the many reasons you are an asshole.  You're free to make judgements about people, of course, just like I'm free to judge that you're an asshole.  But for one that keeps talking about 'standards of evidence', you dismissing someone as a troll for posting an amusing cartoon picture clearly doesn't meet most people's standards.  I know you'll claim 'there was only one possible interpretation' of that post, but if you had a shred of honesty you would have asked clarifying questions before making an accusation.  That's why I feel the sheer weight of evidence, allows me to call you an asshole, even if I had agreed to be bound by the rules that you insist apply to everyone other than you. 
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« Reply #967 on: September 13, 2022, 09:38:09 AM »

Trying to bring levity to a conversation automatically makes someone a troll? 

No, making an accusation and then making a joke instead of engaging when your accusation is contested makes someone a troll.

As does making an accusation you won't back up.

But I do disagree that saying 'something is bad' is a good starting place, rather than 'this is not to my taste, and here is why'.  It's OBVIOUS and self evident if you use an example.

Simple example:

"The mayonnaise is bad" can be taken two different ways:

-It will harm your health if you eat it
-I don't like the taste

In the game sphere, conflating those two ideas (including because people aren't always in the position to ask clarifying questions) has objectively caused very serious harm to real people--so it doesn't serve the most important goal of RPG discussions (to get accurate and helpful RPG information to people while respecting their time as much as possible) to speak vaguely.


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But this is just a conversation and we can easily keep having it in a civil way (as you should've done before).

The bad thing you did was not disagree, but refuse to have the conversation then, when the point was raised.

It wastes everyone's time, since you've just larded up a conversation with an idea that, once countered, you won't engage to support or refute:

-If you're right, you've just irresponsibly let every rational person who hasn't thought of all your reasons for believing what you do down. They now think the opposite of the truth because you failed to illuminate your reasons for your claim.
-If you're wrong, you've dishonestly failed to admit you were wrong.

That isn't a kind/respectful/empathetic thing to do to readers.
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« Reply #968 on: September 13, 2022, 10:00:57 AM »
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Simple example:
"The mayonnaise is bad" can be taken two different ways:

-It will harm your health if you eat it
-I don't like the taste

Exactly!  It's almost like you understand.  Stating the point simply and letting the listener determine whether they have questions is an appropriate action.  In cases where there's trust, I will likely not eat something if someone tells me it tastes bad to them and I certainly won't eat it if it's spoiled.  Either way, it's my decision how to treat the warning. 

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In the game sphere, conflating those two ideas has objectively caused very serious harm to real people--so it doesn't serve the most important goal of RPG discussions (to get accurate and helpful RPG information to people while respecting their time as much as possible) to speak vaguely.

Every conversation has to start somewhere.  Someone who tries something and doesn't like it may not be a sommelier with extensive vocabulary to explain why they didn't like it, but their opinion still has value.  If I accepted your position which I don't, there'd be no benefit to a 1-star review with no details.  I think we can agree that MORE DETAILS ARE GOOD, but if someone has a bad experience and all they have time for is 'I didn't like it', that's not completely worthless.  The better you know that person and/or the more familiar you are with their reviews, the more trust you'll put in it.  There are people that I trust enough to accept that if they can't recommend something, I'm unlikely to enjoy it, too.  That's not unfair - that's human nature. 

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But this is just a conversation and we can easily keep having it in a civil way (as you should've done before).

No Zak, that's not a conversation I'm interested in having.  You're free to create a new thread to discuss what ever you like. But you created this thread to cast scorn upon the people that you perceive as enemies as you take a virtual victory lap after having caused damage to others by wielding the legal system against them.  While that was your legal right, and based on evidence presented you won, there's enough evidence in this thread to show that you're an asshole.  I joined this thread to have that conversation and that's the one that I'm interested in having. 

For reference, this was my first post:

Hey Zak! 

I'm firmly in the camp of 'you're an asshole'. I think you've proved it several times in this thread, and you've certainly proved it many other times and many other places.  But part of what makes you an asshole is that you like to demand that I go find multiple conversations and quote them here, then insist that I should have asked for clarification because you are not actually an asshole, and it's MY FAULT if I got that mistaken impression. 

Well, we can have an epistemological argument about whether or not it is possible to 'know' whether you're an asshole, but that doesn't sound fun to me.  Instead, I'll just go on telling people that I've interacted with you before and I felt that you came across as an asshole.  I always hope that other people choose to make their own impressions without relying exclusively on my judgement, but if they're asking for an opinion, I'll certainly give them my honest opinion - which I know you're in support of because you made the claim earlier in this thread that speaking the truth is paramount. 

If it makes you feel any better, my opinion carries very little weight with other posters on this forum.  In fact, many here might regard me calling you an asshole as a commendation of your personality instead.    But I'm not too worried about that - I'm pretty confident that if they keep engaging you in conversation they'll realize that I was right, and maybe they'll evaluate other positions where we've disagreed and make the realization that they were wrong there, too. 

I would hope it goes without saying that you shouldn't consider this harassment - you seem to have a burning need to know WHY people don't like you so I'm happy to share.  I don't make a habit of following you around and confronting you.  It's also not about whether any specific accusations leveled against you are correct or not - I can say that I thought you were an asshole before any allegations of abuse came out.  We could debate any number of situations you've factually been in and whether your specific actions would qualify as a 'yes' in any 'AITA' thread, but that would not be fun for me. 

"If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."
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« Reply #969 on: September 13, 2022, 10:04:14 AM »
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The bad thing you did was not disagree, but refuse to have the conversation then, when the point was raised.

It wastes everyone's time, since you've just larded up a conversation with an idea that, once countered, you won't engage to support or refute:

-If you're right, you've just irresponsibly let every rational person who hasn't thought of all your reasons for believing what you do down. They now think the opposite of the truth because you failed to illuminate your reasons for your claim.
-If you're wrong, you've dishonestly failed to admit you were wrong.

That isn't a kind/respectful/empathetic thing to do to readers.

The second you make a public accusation, it ceases to matter what conversation you want to have. You either participate in the conversation necessary to back it up, or you're doing something bad.
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« Reply #970 on: September 13, 2022, 12:16:25 PM »
The second you make a public accusation, it ceases to matter what conversation you want to have. You either participate in the conversation necessary to back it up, or you're doing something bad.

Are you saying that you don't think I have provided evidence that you're an asshole.  Because I assure you, I have. 

As far as your opinion of whether my actions are good or bad - I don't care.  I don't respect you, or your judgements.  I came here to (1) make sure you know that I think you're an asshole, and nothing you've said here has made me change my mind - in fact, your actions in this thread have clarified and strengthened my opinion in that regard; and (2) warn other people that you are an asshole, and you have a 'script' that you follow that is predictable and designed to force any conversation to follow your 'rules'. 

I've done both of those things, multiple times.  You may want me to FURTHER ENGAGE and talk about things that I either don't believe or don't care to talk about, but I don't OWE YOU THAT.  This forum exists to exchange ideas and to entertain RPG hobbyists.  I am not interested in your ideas, so my participation in this thread is primarily driven by my own entertainment.  There are times when I need to take a break from work, and knowing that I'm getting paid to call you an asshole delights me.   
When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
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« Reply #971 on: September 13, 2022, 12:35:57 PM »
The second you make a public accusation, it ceases to matter what conversation you want to have. You either participate in the conversation necessary to back it up, or you're doing something bad.

Are you saying that you don't think I have provided evidence that you're an asshole
No we're talking about your many verifiable false accusations (like the claim above that I did a "gish gallop") , not your silly opinions.

You're a liar and the fact you reject the idea you need to prove your fact claims makes that obvious.

Regardless of what you think a forum is "for" you are still speaking in public and spreading false accusations is defamation.
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« Reply #972 on: September 13, 2022, 12:51:35 PM »
No we're talking about your many verifiable false accusations (like the claim above that I did a "gish gallop") , not your silly opinions.

Zak, I've given links where people can review conversations where you were accused of a 'gish gallop', and judge the evidence for themselves.  It's not a false accusation, just one that you don't agree with.  I literally can't count how many times you've been accused of doing a 'gish gallop', but it is probably slightly less than you're accused of changing goal posts.  If you would clearly state your position on anything, maybe we could have the conversation you want to have. 

You're a liar and the fact you reject the idea you need to prove your fact claims makes that obvious.

Zak, I admit to being a mere mortal, capable of making mistakes.  I also believe that society works best when people tell 'white lies' like 'you look amazing in that dress' - sometimes a hurtful honest opinion is worse than forcing the truth on an unwilling recipient.  For that reason, I don't care that you call me a liar - for some definitions of the word, it's true.  But I'm not a pathological liar as you seem to be.  Sometimes someone that has told a lie also tells the truth.  When I say you are an asshole I am very confident that the statement is verifiably true (without external links - simply by reviewing THIS THREAD on THIS SITE).  I don't know or care what else you think I've lied about, but I assert that 'you didn't ask enough clarifying questions' (as you would do) since I did not deliberately speak a falsehood to you, I've just interpreted facts differently than you have.  [As a matter of personal opinion, I think I'm BETTER at interpreting facts, and you ALWAYS interpret them in a self-serving manner]. 


Regardless of what you think a forum is "for" you are still speaking in public and spreading false accusations is defamation.

So sue me.  I've told you I am willing to go to court specifically to determine whether I have enough evidence to convince a jury of your peers that you're an asshole.  I'm sure I do.  I don't know what 'false accusations' you think I'm spreading, but I want to be very clear - I am claiming you are an asshole as demonstrated by your behavior in this thread.  What other accusations (especially false ones) do you think I'm spreading?   
When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
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« Reply #973 on: September 13, 2022, 01:00:53 PM »

Zak, I've given links where people can review conversations where you were accused of a 'gish gallop', and judge the evidence for themselves. 

Burden of proof is on the accuser.

"The Gish gallop is a rhetorical technique that involves overwhelming your opponent with as many arguments as possible, with no regard for the accuracy, ..."

You have to prove I have no regard for accuracy, or else admit your claim has no rational basis.

This would be just one of the many false claims you'd have to prove in order to even pretend to be rational or an accurate source of information, including but not limited to:

-Your fantasy about tongue-shoving
-Claims of moving goal-posts
-Claims of not ever engaging in a good-faith conversation


Zak, I admit to being a mere mortal, capable of making mistakes.

Then the only good and honest thing to do is admit them.

And if the truth is in doubt, then the only good and honest thing to do is take every precaution to make sure your statements are true before making them--and after. Especially if they're about other people allegedly doing bad things.

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  I also believe that society works best when people tell 'white lies' like 'you look amazing in that dress' -

Harmful misinformation about the victim of a harassment campaign you are participating in is not a "white lie". Falsely claiming an honest person isn't is not a "white lie".

So that's not relevant.


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So sue me.

Ok:

Please send your full real name and address to zakzsmith AT hawtmayle dawt calm.

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« Reply #974 on: September 13, 2022, 02:12:19 PM »

Zak, I've given links where people can review conversations where you were accused of a 'gish gallop', and judge the evidence for themselves. 

Burden of proof is on the accuser.

"The Gish gallop is a rhetorical technique that involves overwhelming your opponent with as many arguments as possible, with no regard for the accuracy, ..."

You have to prove I have no regard for accuracy, or else admit your claim has no rational basis.

No Zak, I don't. I've pointed people to a place where they can review the multiple accusations that you were in the midst of a gish-gallop, and they can review the conversation and make their own determination.  Your definition, that you quoted above, references 'overwhelming your opponent with as many arguments as possible'.  Proving that you initiated a gish-gallop would mean I would have to quote you  presenting an 'overwhelming number of arguments'.  I believe the accusation is true; I believe that people have the ability to verify the truth of the accusation with the information provided.  Now, while I maintain that basically 'all of your arguments' are bad, I don't know that they're without regard to accuracy.  Zak, I don't respect your intelligence, so I can't tell if you're deliberately lying or your narcissistic world-view skews your perceptions so strongly that you believe the crap you spew.  You make a lot of inaccurate claims, and you make so many claims at once; then when called on any specific one you switch to another; then later pick up the first one when the conversation has moved on and you appear to have forgotten that it was rebutted (and of course, you claim it never was).  For anyone attempting a good faith discussion it is exhausting.  Fortunately, I am not interested in a discussion; I do not need to refute your false claims; I do not need to explain why your 'rules' about how I have to do anything doesn't actually apply (but again, since I'm here for my own entertainment, I'll indulge you on occasion). 


This would be just one of the many false claims you'd have to prove in order to even pretend to be rational or an accurate source of information, including but not limited to:
-Your fantasy about tongue-shoving

Zak, you keep bringing this up.  This is one that actually has been refuted.  My real claim (in the post that you quoted) was:

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So ultimately, there's no reason to carry an instrument if it isn't in character for the character- whatever bullshit bonus you think you get from doing that is going to be available any one of a dozen other ways if you ask nicely.

After refusing to concede that only granting a bonus to diplomacy with an instrument would encourage people to play instruments if they wanted to be good at Diplomacy, you finally said:
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Then there are a bajillion other things besides music this person can do to curry favor that would cost as much or less money and (in game and out) time to curry favor.

While I used a a parody of an example, reasonable people understood my point - that your stupid rule wouldn't cause problems because you were not limiting the application to the specific case (using an instrument).  And since I'm fine with people judging the full conversation in context, here's the entire quote.

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I read the blog post, and while I don't think much of the rule, one reason it isn't going to be a problem is that it was indicated that failing the Dex check would result in a penalty. 

If I want a bonus, and I have an action that can give me a bonus 50% of the time and a penalty 50% of the time, the only reason to perform that action is if I can't succeed without it.  As the chance of failure decreases, the benefit of attempting it increases, but there is still the potential cost of carrying around a fragile piece of equipment.

But further - there's no reason to do this, anyway.  Sure, player A might say 'If I play a really stirring emotional passage on my ocarina can I get a bonus on my Diplomacy check', and we know Zak S will say yes.  And if player B says, 'if I stick my tongue down her throat and get her really hot, can I get a bonus on my Diplomacy check', and we know Zak S will say yes. 

So ultimately, there's no reason to carry an instrument if it isn't in character for the character- whatever bullshit bonus you think you get from doing that is going to be available any one of a dozen other ways if you ask nicely.


-Claims of moving goal-posts

This is another one that would require dozens or hundreds of posts.  And when you're called on it you claim that people 'misunderstood' your position and they should have asked 'clarifying questions'.  In this thread (and others linked to), there are plenty of examples.  It is unduly burdensome for me to comprehensively catalog your responses where you appear to be arguing one thing, then later arguing another.  But as an exemplar of this, we can use the above discussion about musical instruments giving a bonus.  I asserted that you would give the bonus in dozens of situations, and rather than agreeing (like a reasonable person) you argued for pages before agreeing that you'd actually give it in a bajillion situations.  Now, nobody actually knows what those situations are because you've refused to catalog them, or even provide examples, but they APPEAR to be along the lines of my post.  Maybe kissing someone that seems to be romantically attracted to you (and if you didn't understand that was intended to be implied in the example maybe you should have asked clarifying questions - hard to argue that someone would get a Diplomacy bonus if you ATTACKED them) isn't on the list of bajillion things, but I can't think of anything close to a bajillion things that are.  And of course, by your definition, failure to list a bajillion things actually makes you a liar

-Claims of not ever engaging in a good-faith conversation
Saying 'I've never seen evidence of Bigfoot' doesn't mean that I have to provide exhaustive evidence that Bigfoot exists.  I've never seen evidence that you participate in conversations with good faith doesn't mean you don't - just that I haven't seen it.  In the conversations I've been involved in, you act like you're a victim, demean everyone around you, refuse to clarify what position you're arguing, and consistently refuse to respond to substantive portions of people's quotes and instead make attacks on minor points with personal attacks.  I've pointed out some of those ways in this very thread.  Eventually I got tired of posting quotes and links to the conversation(s) where I discovered this, in part because you like to pretend I never did that.  Well, I did.  For anyone that cares to look through 65+ pages of this conversation, they can see that.  And if they don't, that's fine, because there are enough examples without doing the research. 


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Zak, I admit to being a mere mortal, capable of making mistakes.

Then the only good and honest thing to do is admit them.
If they were relevant to the conversation, I would be happy to.  As I've said many times, I'm confident in my assessment that you are an asshole

And if the truth is in doubt, then the only good and honest thing to do is take every precaution to make sure your statements are true before making them--and after. Especially if they're about other people allegedly doing bad things.

This is why I've been very clear that my statements are on topic: you are an asshole.  What other bad things do you think I am 'alleging' you did? 

Regarding white lies, you seem to claim that if someone told a lie, even once, that they're a liar and that you can never accept anything they ever say (and also that they're a troll and should be denied life-giving care).  I don't agree with that.  As for telling a lie that is (a)known to be untrue and (b) hurtful to an individual, I don't think I've done that.  Regarding you being an asshole, I think that's a reasonable conclusion based on discussions I've seen you're involved with online.  Over and over I've pointed to evidence that supports that conclusion.  Your response appears to me to just be, 'I'm not an asshole so DDMW must be a liar, don't look at his evidence'.  That might work for you, but it's not going to convince many other people.  In any case, you seem to think that if you can show that I've spread misinformation that I'm a liar and that nothing I say could possibly be right.  That's not a valid logical argument.  Unless everything I say is a lie, than anything I say may either be the truth or a lie.  In that case, I'd be a normal human being and you'd have to use your powers of discernment to determine whether I'm being honest or not. 

You know one important piece of discernment is motive.  I've told you (and everyone else) why I'm here and why I think it's important to tell everyone you're an asshole.  What motivation do you think I have to lie?  Why wouldn't it make more sense to tell people something that is true, especially if I expect and rely on their ability to judge evidence themselves? 


Please send your full real name and address to zakzsmith AT hawtmayle dawt calm.

No, Zak.  You have other tools if you want to sue me.  I don't like you, and I'm not interested in communicating with you outside of this thread.  Being sued would be a pain in the ass for me, but I'm willing to endure it to get the satisfaction of a court of law agreeing that I'm not guilty of defamation because you are, in fact, demonstrably, an asshole.  So yes, you can cause a significant amount of disruption to me, but not without also doing a lot of work on your part.  Of course, it'd be hard to show any damages since, according to you, it's already been done.  You appear to like to use the threat of lawsuits as a tool to shut people down because you are an asshole.  That's one reason that I'm willing to be the one to call you an asshole.  I'm not afraid of being sued.  I'd RATHER NOT BE, but the threat of a lawsuit is not sufficient to cause me to desist.  So Zak, this whole thread started because you went for the 'nuclear option' of suing people, demonstrating that you're willing to do exactly that.  That has a chilling effect on people's free expression of their personal opinion of you, at least, it does for most people.  As I've said before, I'm very fortunate in many ways - you don't scare me.   But it's important to me that we maintain the principle of reciprocity.  If you want me to do a lot of work to defend myself in a court of law, it's only fair that you do a lot of work to move forward.  Subpoena my IP address, you know, all that discovery work - if you're very confident in your case, I'm sure you'll have no trouble justifying the time and expense.  And bonus for me - all that time you're spending on this is time you're NOT spending on being an asshole everywhere else.  :)   

PS
Zak, I'm pretty confident that you'll have a reply in 2-3 minutes.  I am confident that I will have a response to you in due time.  But I'm afraid I've dedicated just about as much time today as I can afford.  I'll look forward to getting back to you tomorrow or the next day. 


Edit - Fixed a quote tag and add a P.S.
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When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
And when I say that you are a horse's ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse's ass.

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