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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #480 on: March 24, 2021, 07:52:28 PM »
Curious what SJWs are. Haven't scanned these forums in some time.
You must have been hiding under a rock for the past decade. Or two.

SJW = Social Justice Warrior. It refers to the more strident activists and proponents of a philosophy and ideology descended from postmodernism, through queer theory, intersectional feminism, and critical race theory. It believes that everything is based around oppressive power structures, which they fight by infiltrating those power structures, and then subverting them by redefining words and using other tactics to control the metanarrative, use that to invert standards and principles, and then systematically exclude and marginalize anyone who isn't fully on board with their crusade. Though keeping up is can be a difficult task, because they reject the idea that objective facts exist in favor of lived experiences and subjective beliefs, so their crusade is constantly changing. Since they believe that rules and standards of etiquette that moderate tone and topic are a form of oppression, and they are constantly looking for new power structures to dismantle, they bring their crusade to every corner of the web and even everyday life, which has made them almost impossible to avoid. They've also come to dominate most social media platforms, as well as education and academia, so most children and recent adults have grown up on a steady diet of their beliefs. Almost every mainstream news organ as well as the social media companies are firmly in their court, so they dominate the prevailing narrative on almost every topic of public discussion, And in the last few years Big Tech has moved from passively to actively pushing their agenda, as they use various excuses to push all contrary voices off major online platforms. They also dominate most of the government bureaucracy and almost the entire political left, and have lately been exercising their political power to consolidate their position and exclude those with different beliefs.

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #481 on: March 25, 2021, 01:00:16 AM »
Curious what SJWs are. Haven't scanned these forums in some time.

Have not seen any SJWs around here.

I think the RPG Nazis must have scared them off.
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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #482 on: March 25, 2021, 12:13:39 PM »
Curious what SJWs are. Haven't scanned these forums in some time.
You must have been hiding under a rock for the past decade. Or two.

SJW = Social Justice Warrior. It refers to the more strident activists and proponents of a philosophy and ideology descended from postmodernism, through queer theory, intersectional feminism, and critical race theory. It believes that everything is based around oppressive power structures, which they fight by infiltrating those power structures, and then subverting them by redefining words and using other tactics to control the metanarrative, use that to invert standards and principles, and then systematically exclude and marginalize anyone who isn't fully on board with their crusade. Though keeping up is can be a difficult task, because they reject the idea that objective facts exist in favor of lived experiences and subjective beliefs, so their crusade is constantly changing. Since they believe that rules and standards of etiquette that moderate tone and topic are a form of oppression, and they are constantly looking for new power structures to dismantle, they bring their crusade to every corner of the web and even everyday life, which has made them almost impossible to avoid. They've also come to dominate most social media platforms, as well as education and academia, so most children and recent adults have grown up on a steady diet of their beliefs. Almost every mainstream news organ as well as the social media companies are firmly in their court, so they dominate the prevailing narrative on almost every topic of public discussion, And in the last few years Big Tech has moved from passively to actively pushing their agenda, as they use various excuses to push all contrary voices off major online platforms. They also dominate most of the government bureaucracy and almost the entire political left, and have lately been exercising their political power to consolidate their position and exclude those with different beliefs.

So basically the SJW is an arbiter from the far left, like an autocracy. I imagine that the rift between rpg.net and therpgsite makes GenCon kind of weird. I haven't been round here for a bit 'cause I was off the internet for a little bit. But writing one's own rpgs (a la Pundit's post about that) obviously has some kind of market in either place so it sucks the community's all split up. The reason for having certain ideas is largely background-oriented in my opinion, opens up a whole discussion about nature/nurture. SJW could be considered a slight similar to "hipster," which I identify with.

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #483 on: March 25, 2021, 12:56:29 PM »
SJW could be considered a slight similar to "hipster," which I identify with.

Some have tried to turn it into a joke or badge of honor. "What's wrong with social justice?" but the epithet specifically calls out the worst aspects of bougeoir activism. IE racism is ok when we do it, lived experience is more important than evidence, etc.
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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #484 on: March 25, 2021, 01:02:31 PM »
Lived experience is more important than evidence, etc.

Let's correct that: OUR lived experience is more important than your evidence. Your lived experiences don't matter in the face of our evidence.

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #485 on: March 25, 2021, 01:15:54 PM »
Lived experience is more important than evidence, etc.

Let's correct that: OUR lived experience is more important than your evidence. Your lived experiences don't matter in the face of our evidence.

Yep. I stand corrected. It's hard to navigate the byzantine rationalizations.
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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #486 on: March 25, 2021, 01:23:13 PM »
Lived experience is more important than evidence, etc.

Let's correct that: OUR lived experience is more important than your evidence. Your lived experiences don't matter in the face of our evidence.

Yep. I stand corrected. It's hard to navigate the byzantine rationalizations.

Not really.

It's whatever puts them, or keeps them, in a position of unaccountability, especially if it makes you accountable to them.

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #487 on: March 25, 2021, 01:31:21 PM »
I always dream of using rhetorical devices, being the ultimate debater and so forth, like idealizing another path. But I wonder how literature fits into the SJW thing, in the context of novels I would say that personal experience is more interesting, if not useful, than evidence. Ad hominem attacks and solipsistic fervor, however, do not fit into novels except as observed devices. But arrogance is never interesting.

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #488 on: March 25, 2021, 02:31:55 PM »
I realised a little while ago that debating genuine true believer SJWs is pointless because to them objectivity, logic etc are not tools to discover the truth but weapons to win an argument.  As soon as logic becomes obsolete or ineffective, they drop it at a moment’s notice.

It is very important to understand that ultimately their goal is not philosophical.  It is utterly mundane and base.  Simply put the goal is power. Power over resources yes, but also how you speak, and how you think. The reason why identity politics is so important is because, apart from being a useful recruitment tool, being able to define reality is the ultimate power. (Who counts as a human being, who is oppressed and who isn't, who is a man and who is a woman etc).

You might as well have a debate with a mafia don about the rights and wrongs of organised crime.  The argument would be very similar indeed.

Assuming you were able to have such a conversation he might initially try and argue that the mafia was necessary to protect his oppressed people, then it would be that he didn't have a choice because of a hard life, then (assuming he didn't just resort to intimidation) he'd perhaps admit he was a criminal simply because he liked taking things he hadn't earned.


 
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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #489 on: March 25, 2021, 04:33:52 PM »
You might as well have a debate with a mafia don about the rights and wrongs of organised crime.  The argument would be very similar indeed.

Speaking of debating a mafia don, this interview with mob enforcer Anthony Raimondi really shows the way they think.

https://www.jordanharbinger.com/anthony-s-luciano-raimondi-the-mob-enforcer-part-one/

ie. it is not his fault he killed you, it is your fault for making him have to kill you.  After all he is just a good family man who loves his dog.

I imagine that most SJWs have the same image of themselves.
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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #490 on: March 25, 2021, 06:24:59 PM »
I imagine that most SJWs have the same image of themselves.

Eeeh that's giving too much and too little credit. That man performed monstrous acts but he performed them. That requires having a very genuine will to act.

SJWs are childish, and they retain a childish schoolyard mentality. A few at the top are sociopaths that want power, but most SJWs are just to feel good about themselves and think very little while persuing what FEELS right.

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #491 on: March 25, 2021, 06:37:59 PM »
I imagine that most SJWs have the same image of themselves.

Eeeh that's giving too much and too little credit. That man performed monstrous acts but he performed them. That requires having a very genuine will to act.

SJWs are childish, and they retain a childish schoolyard mentality. A few at the top are sociopaths that want power, but most SJWs are just to feel good about themselves and think very little while persuing what FEELS right.

maybe...but 'just following orders' is probably not the best look for them in defense of their actions...  ;)
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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #492 on: March 26, 2021, 10:50:12 AM »
Curious what SJWs are. Haven't scanned these forums in some time.

Empty voids of self-misery.

The political spectrum is not a straight line drawn from left to right. The further you go in any direction the closer you get to wrapping around and meeting the other extreme.

Real SJWs are miserable people who lack any real tie to society, so they continuously push and pull everything to the left. Once it reaches critical mass, they turn on themselves or move on to the next environment to poison.

Look at any RPG forum after it has been infected. Message boards or subs that were once vibrate with topics and conversation retain a small fraction of their activity, with the arsonists, of course, not participating. They never really wanted to.

Yesterday in the /rpg sub a user requested ideas for creating a most-likely doomed character storyline (there were planned ways to avoid actual doom, and the request was for ideas for a fevered dream state). They were immediately accosted by a user obsessed with wondering if they had “permission”, continuously berating the poster in a barrage of baseless assumptions. After 5-6 of these replies, the user deleted the thread, and their account. I quickly scanned the history of our valiant warrior, and their job done, they were already onto the next person.

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #493 on: March 26, 2021, 08:52:23 PM »


Empty voids of self-misery.


Yesterday in the /rpg sub a user requested ideas for creating a most-likely doomed character storyline (there were planned ways to avoid actual doom, and the request was for ideas for a fevered dream state). They were immediately accosted by a user obsessed with wondering if they had “permission”, continuously berating the poster in a barrage of baseless assumptions. After 5-6 of these replies, the user deleted the thread, and their account. I quickly scanned the history of our valiant warrior, and their job done, they were already onto the next person.

They're a lot like the shitty neighbour that calls the HMO over every slight code violation.

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #494 on: March 26, 2021, 10:37:11 PM »


Empty voids of self-misery.


Yesterday in the /rpg sub a user requested ideas for creating a most-likely doomed character storyline (there were planned ways to avoid actual doom, and the request was for ideas for a fevered dream state). They were immediately accosted by a user obsessed with wondering if they had “permission”, continuously berating the poster in a barrage of baseless assumptions. After 5-6 of these replies, the user deleted the thread, and their account. I quickly scanned the history of our valiant warrior, and their job done, they were already onto the next person.

They're a lot like the shitty neighbour that calls the HMO over every slight code violation.
I hope you mean "calls the HOA" because if you have neighbors that wrapped up in your healthcare, then things have really gone screwy.